Disruptive posting in rail threads

I don't see any issue with someone expressing their opinions, provided they don't attack those who they don't agree with. I certainly wouldn't see eye to eye with DW on several topics but I'd always keep my cool; I'd even log off for a few hours rather than say something I'll later regret and/or get banned for. And being a member of the IRRS I've had to do that on several occasions.

You won't see me bashing Iarnród Éireann in every post because as an enthusiast I enjoy rail travel and at the present time they're the ones providing that service. I have grown increasingly intolerant lately with issues such as the Mk3 debacle and Waterford/Rosslare though.

Victor

Oliver1985 wrote: »

How are mods picked?

Mods are usually recommended by other mods or the regular users and it goes up through the chain to Category Mods (nesf, Scofflaw in the case of Soc) and the Admins. Its helpful, but not a prerequisite to be known (for the the right reasons) to the Admins.

Furet wrote: »

I do think the moderation here could do with a bit of revamp, and I'm not referring to Victor or Calina when I say that.

I didn't want to pre-empt things, it had been under discussion a while back, but wasn't persued. -Chris- now joins us.

Judgement Day wrote: »

Amazed that this thread is still open but as it is...My gripe is also with Calina's style and lack of posting in the forum. Every other forum I post on has mods that post regularly themselves - Calina seems more interested in photography than Commuting & Transport so perhaps she should consider her position here.

The bickering and disruptiveness has made it hard on the mods. Enterprise doesn't post, Calina barely posts and quite often I aks myself do I want to post.

westtip

Victor wrote: »

One thread that was closed and was griped over was the WRC mega-thread (originally about 3 thread that were merged). It had descended into something that was utterly unconstructive and a condition was placed on it being re-opened. .

Victor - I don't know but I think there is an issue here about taking these message boards alltogether too seriously. Ok so you guys are the moderators but IMO you seem to be a judge and jury, and not just moderators, I wonder actually what you mean about a thread being "utterly unconstructive" it sounds such a condescending phrase, and it seems like you are ordering us all to have constructive intelligent conversations or we will be down on you like a ton of bricks - these boards are not the Oxford Union debating chambers, yeh sure people are expressing views but at times they are having a laugh as well, if people take the p*ss out of another posters comments so what? that person can complain about the post, or come back with their own bit of banter - basically have an argument - and don't get too upset about it all. Maybe i am different, I don't personally know any of the people on these boards, I couldn't give a tuppeny f*** about the management of CIE or what type of diesel locomotive is pulling a train, I take an interest in civic and public issues cos I hate to see public money wasted. these boards are a place to sound off, exchange views with some seemingly intelligent people lik DW and the other writers on this board, but in general it is merely a small group of people who are not going to influence public policy and if Boards.ie think this is some holy inner sanctum of debate on public transport policy, I think the opinion Boards.ie has of itself is --- beyond belief. Its no different than having a chat down the pub with a few blokes (which others can listen in on) and at times having a bit of banter. bored.ie needs to take itself a little less seriously.

Victor

westtip wrote: »

bored.ie needs to take itself a little less seriously.

I see your point, but why can't it be a source of change? Remember that pub has 300,000 accounts. Now, they don't all show up at the same time, but the beauty of a message board is that they don't have to.

Sure, many of the (outside) changes we have asked for / got on hte outside go relatively unnoticed, but they are there.

dowlingm

I must say I found the recent mod action in the "platform signs in Irish" thread overly harsh and not helpful to the relationship between the mods and the users.

Sponge Bob's ban itself was absolutely justified because he breached the "no arguing in thread" strictures in Boards 101, the waters having been previously stirred by others in an unhelpful fashion, but the reality is that posting in Irish is not forbidden by anything I have yet found in a search of the FAQs or Board Charter, with the exception of

anythign (sic) that makes it difficult for users to read the board

which is a catch-all in fairness. The fact that Victor had already noted in a mod edit to the first post that Google Translate was an available option for those who could not otherwise read the post (not to mention Calina's thumbsup on SB's first post as Gaeilige) made -Chris-'s determination that

I firmly believe this discussion should be in English. I realise it's about the use of Irish in public transport, but the primary language of this website is English and there are many readers who will be excluded (me included) if you're not posting in English.

falls more in the realm of personal opinion than fair dealing. If the mods want to amend the charter to specify English as the forum language, that's one thing, but maybe the mods could put their heads together and confirm the rules of the game before changing how it's being refereed?

-Chris-

dowlingm wrote: »

I must say I found the recent mod action in the "platform signs in Irish" thread overly harsh and not helpful to the relationship between the mods and the users.

Sponge Bob's ban itself was absolutely justified because he breached the "no arguing in thread" strictures in Boards 101, the waters having been previously stirred by others in an unhelpful fashion, but the reality is that posting in Irish is not forbidden by anything I have yet found in a search of the FAQs or Board Charter, with the exception of which is a catch-all in fairness. The fact that Victor had already noted in a mod edit to the first post that Google Translate was an available option for those who could not otherwise read the post (not to mention Calina's thumbsup on SB's first post as Gaeilige) made -Chris-'s determination that falls more in the realm of personal opinion than fair dealing. If the mods want to amend the charter to specify English as the forum language, that's one thing, but maybe the mods could put their heads together and confirm the rules of the game before changing how it's being refereed?

It was definitely a personal decision, and started off as a half-in-jest request, that then turned into a proper request.
I don't believe it's fair to post in a fashion that a certain proportion of the readers of boards won't understand.

If someone had asked "why are you asking us to post in English?" or PM'd me with the same question, we probably would have gotten the chance to work out a resolution (in hindsight, my actual request should have been "if anyone feels the need to post in Irish, can they please provide a translation in English?").

Instead of asking "why not?", someone decided to test the mettle of the new mod by disregarding the request, and then disregarding the warning. I didn't feel I had anywhere left to go to be honest!

I don't believe this thread is the appropriate place to dissect individual mod actions, but please believe me when I say that I didn't post in that thread with the intention of re-writing the rules of the forum, or with the intention of banning anyone.
I don't understand Irish any more (as I admitted on-thread) and the use of Irish was causing me difficulties in understanding and participating in the thread.
I felt I wasn't the only one, so I made my request.

Cookie_Monster

There's an Irish forum for Irish, you want to have a discussion about Irish on platforms in Irish do it there, otherwise do it here in English. Its annoying and a waste of time to have to translate it all to follow the thread. :mad:

shamwari

westtip wrote: »

these boards are not the Oxford Union debating chambers, yeh sure people are expressing views but at times they are having a laugh as well, if people take the p*ss out of another posters comments so what? that person can complain about the post, or come back with their own bit of banter - basically have an argument - and don't get too upset about it all..

That's been the problem all along Westip. Some people ripped the p*ss morning, noon, and night and didn't know when to stop. And when the mods intervened, they p*ss rippers couldn't understand why they had to do that.

Most people can have a lively debate and argue a good case intelligently without loosing their cool, making things personal, passing comments about peoples hobbies, interests, nationalites, and even accept the merit in the other persons argument with dignity.

Sadly, others can't.

Transportuser09

shamwari wrote: »

That's been the problem all along Westip. Some people ripped the p*ss morning, noon, and night and didn't know when to stop. And when the mods intervened, they p*ss rippers couldn't understand why they had to do that.

Most people can have a lively debate and argue a good case intelligently without loosing their cool, making things personal, passing comments about peoples hobbies, interests, nationalites, and even accept the merit in the other persons argument with dignity.

Sadly, others can't.

Exactly, what some may think of as mere p*sstaking others may find offensive.

-Chris-

I think it's also a symptom of the success of boards.ie as a whole - the style of allowable posting in AH is very different that the style of allowable posting in Personal Issues. You could spend an hour in the Thunderdome and then when you go to post in the Carlow forum all of a sudden find yourself getting infracted.

It's like when you come off the motorway into a 50kmph zone, everything feels very slow by comparison.

There's no problem with banter and a bit of slagging, but mods need to help to set and maintain the tone of a forum or else it'll just turn into a free-for-all.

westtip

Would you rather be a mod or a rocker?:D

-Chris-

Rocker, but I'm getting too old to be in a band at this point... :P:D

steamengine

westtip wrote: »

Would you rather be a mod or a rocker?:D

Maybe we should all meet up in Bray (closest we have to Brighton here), the lobbyists can travel in by Dart and the rest of us enthusiasts on our own special charter! Should be a fun day !

-Chris-

I'm starting to wish some scumbag hadn't stolen my Honda 50.

steamengine

-Chris- wrote: »

I'm starting to wish some scumbag hadn't stolen my Honda 50.

God be with the days, 350cc twin and the bird in the mini on the pillion

-Chris-

I remember putting a bird on the back of the Honda 50 and driving her to Howth trying to impress her.

Let's just say she arrived with freezing cold hands (I only had one pair of gloves) and was thoroughly unimpressed...

steamengine

-Chris- wrote: »

I remember putting a bird on the back of the Honda 50 and driving her to Howth trying to impress her.

Let's just say she arrived with freezing cold hands (I only had one pair of gloves) and was thoroughly unimpressed...

During winter months we used several newspapers inside the jacket to stave off the cold. Did Dublin - Cork once, nearly died from hypothermia. Had a hot bath when I arrived and the bath water turned cold pretty rapidly. Anyway Honda 50 is a classic - one of my first bikes. Mrs steamengine won't let me buy another one - so beware of carrying birds on the back.

shamwari

@ -Chris-, I did the Ring of Kerry cycle a few weeks back, and was asked to do it beforehand on a Honda 50 (bike was being loaned to me). I'm raging I turned it down too.....:(

Ahh maybe next year :P

DeVore

We had lots of rows in Photography before we all got together over a pint. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss the idea so readily.

DeV.

DeVore

DeVore wrote: »

We had lots of rows in Photography before we all got together over a pint. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss the idea so readily.

DeV.

Rail beers? I'd be up for that!

Judgement Day

DeVore wrote: »

We had lots of rows in Photography before we all got together over a pint. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss the idea so readily.

DeV.

I think it would be more like the opening session of the 1st Dail - we would all be carrying.

westtip

DeVore wrote: »

We had lots of rows in Photography before we all got together over a pint. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss the idea so readily.

DeV.

Splendid idea, however I think we are such a disparate bunch finding a location would be the problem. Pint or no pint I am thinking this whole thing has become somewhat churlish for no reason. DW should be reinstated, I think many of us writing on this forum believe this would be fair and proper, as should Nostradamus, various closed threads should be re-opened. Look at it this way - what harm can be done. It's hardly going to cause a Tsunami or a catastrophe the likes of which we are seeing in Pakistan, and somehow I don't think it will register on the outside world. So Victor, get everyone back in the cosy little pub we call bored.ie chillax relax and just make it an open house.

My guess is, in the main its blokes who post on this forum. Now - and I will probably be banned for being sexist now ...Do blokes really care about all the bullsh*t that has been flying around here. Is this how blokes behave all petty and basically like a bunch of women. Lets start behaving like blokes, does it matter if someone is called Tarquin, does it matter if anyone calls me a tos*er i couldn't give a tuppeny fook, does it matter if someone posts up some crazy idea and someone takes the p*ss by saying "you are having a laugh aren't you". Lets be less serious.

For example if I say Dev 25,000+ posts - how sad can you get - does it make people smile, does Dev take great offence (I hope not) or does it make him/her smile, does it make us all examine what we are doing with our lives.....

Judgement Day

westtip wrote: »

Splendid idea, however I think we are such a disparate bunch finding a location would be the problem. Pint or no pint I am thinking this whole thing has become somewhat churlish for no reason. DW should be reinstated, I think many of us writing on this forum believe this would be fair and proper, as should Nostradamus, various closed threads should be re-opened. Look at it this way - what harm can be done. It's hardly going to cause a Tsunami or a catastrophe the likes of which we are seeing in Pakistan, and somehow I don't think it will register on the outside world. So Victor, get everyone back in the cosy little pub we call bored.ie chillax relax and just make it an open house.

My guess is, in the main its blokes who post on this forum. Now - and I will probably be banned for being sexist now ...Do blokes really care about all the bullsh*t that has been flying around here. Is this how blokes behave all petty and basically like a bunch of women. Lets start behaving like blokes, does it matter if someone is called Tarquin, does it matter if anyone calls me a tos*er i couldn't give a tuppeny fook, does it matter if someone posts up some crazy idea and someone takes the p*ss by saying "you are having a laugh aren't you". Lets be less serious.

For example if I say Dev 25,000+ posts - how sad can you get - does it make people smile, does Dev take great offence (I hope not) or does it make him/her smile, does it make us all examine what we are doing with our lives.....

westtip - I think that you should consult this wiki page before going along with the beers suggestion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Anywhere but the God awful Oslo Bar in Connolly would suit me.

Amtmann

westtip wrote: »

My guess is, in the main its blokes who post on this forum. Now - and I will probably be banned for being sexist now ...Do blokes really care about all the bullsh*t that has been flying around here. Is this how blokes behave all petty and basically like a bunch of women. Lets start behaving like blokes, does it matter if someone is called Tarquin, does it matter if anyone calls me a tos*er i couldn't give a tuppeny fook, does it matter if someone posts up some crazy idea and someone takes the p*ss by saying "you are having a laugh aren't you". Lets be less serious.

As a mod I have access to the reported posts forum. I get to read the types of posts that offend posters not just in the infrastructure forum, but across the entire site. And I can tell you that just because that sort of carry on doesn't affect or bother you, that doesn't mean it doesn't annoy other (male) posters. Civility is most important, all the more so when a conversation is conducted textually, and without verbal tone. People interpret what other people write in often unique ways, and mods - who function on behalf of the entire community - must respect that fact.
Charters are there for a reason - and almost all Charters expressly prohibit or seek to minimise the sort of talk you are advocating. Posters are supposed to post in full awareness (and agreement) with what is written in the Charter. If they don't like it, they can always find another little anarchic corner of the internet and indulge in banter all they wish there.

foggy_lad

Karsini wrote: »

Rail beers? I'd be up for that!

ginger beer and cucumber sandwiches:)

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think it would be more like the opening session of the 1st Dail - we would all be carrying.

ah but what harm could be done with blasting caps at ten paces?

Victor

DeVore wrote: »

We had lots of rows in Photography before we all got together over a pint. Maybe you shouldn't dismiss the idea so readily.

DeV.

There is this on 28 August: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055922669

Calina

westtip wrote: »

My guess is, in the main its blokes who post on this forum. Now - and I will probably be banned for being sexist now ...Do blokes really care about all the bullsh*t that has been flying around here.

yes they do. I happen to have to deal with their complaints. That's one point.

second point is there are a few women who do post here regularly, and one of your mods is female. Not only that, you should not take anything for granted about your passive audience.

This forum, has a wider audience than just the few of the rail enthusiasts and their interests need to be taken into account. In any case, I draw the line at allowing this forum to descend into one which is less attractive to women - who do have to engage with the transport systems of this country on a daily basis - just because you cannot be bothered to read or adhere to the forum charter.

For example, your post earlier, directed to me, whereby you said nobody missed me was extremely rude. Why should the wider community put up with this just cos you think you're in a blokes only environment?

However, there is the wider point that I hang around with a lot of guys from time to time in the real world. None of them - in general - behave the way that a lot of posters behave on this forum. It's often against the charter which, in Commuting & Transport is pretty vague. It does not, for example, have a selection of the dos and don'ts you'll find in photography.

It can be summed up as be polite and constructive to other users. Attack the post and not the poster. The argument that men don't need to do this be amongst themselves strikes me as rather infantile and untrue.

If you want to behave like a gurrier on this forum, you can't. It's as simple as that. And it is not just your girl mod who takes that view. A lot of the people who PM me or report posts take a similar view to me. As far as I am aware, some of them are actually blokes too.

westtip

Calina wrote: »

For example, your post earlier, directed to me, whereby you said nobody missed me was extremely rude. Why should the wider community put up with this just cos you think you're in a blokes only environment?

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westtip wrote: »

You weren't missed (by a lot of us) DW is. So glad to see you back....not.

well apologies however you have seriously misquoted me. I did not say nobody missed you. I said you weren't missed by a lot of us. This is important syntax, I would never speak on behalf of everyody. Did anyone report the post? No. Including your fellow mods.

Re hanging out with Guys. I'm not part of the L'oreal generation - I don't hang out with guys I go for a pint with blokes, with whom I never ask "How do you feel", but I may ask "whose round is it"

DW is missed. Not by everybody but some of us.

Cookie_Monster

westtip wrote: »

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Fantastic response!

EDIT: never mind, post edited above with a an actual response

corktina

Calina wrote: »

yes they do. I happen to have to deal with their complaints. That's one point.

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You don't HAVE to deal with them. You choose to be a Moderator for whatever your reason for that is. It comes with the Title.

The rest of your points I broadly agree with.

-Chris-

Of course you do. If you volunteer to be a mod, people will come to you with issues (through PM or reported posts). You have to make a judgement call and you have to act if you feel it's necessary.

If you don't feel you have to act, then you shouldn't be a mod.

dowlingm

Sadly distance prevents me from joining but I approve of the beers notion heartily. That said, there would probably be a long thread the following day about which participant was a spy dispatched by Barry Kenny...

Judgement Day

It would be a small gathering as I think Barry Kenny at least one of the posters here and obviously would not be attending himself.

corktina

-Chris- wrote: »

Of course you do. If you volunteer to be a mod, people will come to you with issues (through PM or reported posts). You have to make a judgement call and you have to act if you feel it's necessary.

If you don't feel you have to act, then you shouldn't be a mod.

My point really (which you ever-so-slightley missed) is that one doesn't HAVE to be a Moderator

Nevyn

True but if a person takes on the role and responsibity of being a mod they shouldn't have to put up with personal crap being aimed at them or sexist claptrap.

This forum nor the site nor the internet is not filled mainly with blokes any more and the site has rules about posting in a civil manner and not being a dick which everyone (no matter what gender they are or what gender they assume the majority of those contributing to the forum are), has to follow.

I lurk on here a lot and post occasionally, it's good resource and every time I do I learn new things.
But all it takes is a few bad apples which is a shame and picking on the mods is bullshít when people have to take responsibility for their own behaviour and should be posting with in the rules of the forum and the site.

corktina

I quite agree however a Moderator can hardly complain about having to Moderate...

Nevyn

corktina wrote: »

I quite agree however a Moderator can hardly complain about having to Moderate...

If a mod has to take an action which results in a infraction, banning or a thread being locked then it's due to the actions of posters who are breaking the rules.
If you get a lot of that in a forum esp when it's posters who won't abide by the rules cos they don't think they are bound by them then yes I do think a mod should complain and tell people to cop on as their behaviour is not acceptable.

westtip

Calina wrote: »

As far as I am aware, some of them are actually blokes too.

Calina we can clearly have a difference of opinion on a number of issues, you may think they are blokes but my guess is they are guys, but cutting out all the cr*p (much of which I come up with) I simply want to ask one question:

Why was DW Commuter banned?

If he was being disruptive I for one certainly can't see it. Nor offensive, nor using abusive language.

He has however over the past years contributed endlessly to this forum in a very incisive way and clearly he knows a great deal about the mismanagement of Irish rail over the past number of years.

This thread has run on and on ..... and it is mainly a result of a few of us here failing to understand why he was banned.

Perhaps you and Victor might share it with us all here.

Nevyn

Why do you have a been in your bonnet about this?
Why are you dtermined to distrupt the forum over this?
If DWCommuter wants he can appeal the ban there is a process for that.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055749888

IF you want you can pm the cat mods about it but rabble rousing on a forum and 'being a dick' only tends to result in more people getting banned.

corktina

Thaedydal wrote: »

If a mod has to take an action which results in a infraction, banning or a thread being locked then it's due to the actions of posters who are breaking the rules.
If you get a lot of that in a forum esp when it's posters who won't abide by the rules cos they don't think they are bound by them then yes I do think a mod should complain and tell people to cop on as their behaviour is not acceptable.

I dont know if Im not saying this clearly enough, I'll try once again.

Callina said "I happen to have to deal with their complaints"

My point is that she is a moderator because she wants to be (I assume). If she doesn't want to HAVE to deal with complaints, noone is forcing her to HAVE to do so. A Moderators job is to Moderate, should it be necessary to do so, then thats why they are there.

Nevyn

Well every mod as cat mod they can pass complaints on up to, esp when it gets to the stage that posters aren't listening and are being disruptive. It's part of what they are for,
when either side is being unreasonable.

westtip

Thaedydal wrote: »

Why do you have a been in your bonnet about this?
Why are you dtermined to distrupt the forum over this?
If DWCommuter wants he can appeal the ban there is a process for that.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055749888

IF you want you can pm the cat mods about it but rabble rousing on a forum and 'being a dick' only tends to result in more people getting banned.

I could PM you about a comment about being a dick - but there you go, I could complain about your very offensive post, but lets have it out in the open eh? So you have called me a dick in a post in a public forum - fair play to ye. You are entitled to your opinion personally I couldn't give a t*ss, although under the charter of Bored.ie you may not be entitled to express such an opinion in a thread, perhaps a categroy mod could comment on your offensive reference to male genetalia and me.

I have not been called a dick by a moderator before, especially not one with nearly 40,000 posts to her name not even in a PM.

I am not determined to disrupt the forum, and actually I don't believe I am disrupting the forum nor am I calling anyone "a dick". I have asked a civil question on a thread that was started about this whole issue, DWs banning was in several posters opinion a farce and was the result of a campaign against him by folks who did not like his opinions about the cr*p state of railways in this country and the pathetic long term planning for rail travel that resulted in decisions we the travelling public, blokes, guys, wimmin, and dicks have to put up.

I am not going to lodge a complaint about your offensive comment mainly because I find it so hilarious as is your comment about rabble rousing, you make it sound like the Sans Culottes raging war and revoluton against les Moderators.

Nevyn

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines#faq_bie_faq_guidelines_civil

Be Civil (Don't be a dick)

The internet is full of anonymous keyboard warriors being rude to each other. We don’t want that here. We're not saying you have to be super-nice to everyone and sign each post with a little heart, but we DO require that you are at least CIVIL to the humans on the other end of this intertube. Everyone is tired of the muppets online and if you feel you must be a dick to others, you aren’t welcome here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055997324

DeVore wrote: »

our first and primary guideline is "dont be a d*ck".

So you won't follow procedure but you'll whine about it here instead.

This thread is not about the banning of one poster, it is about the slipping in standards in the forum such as people not reporting posts and people 'being a dick' disrupting threads with what they see is banter.

The mods have said give it over and have left this thread run for a discussion fair play to them for that, hopefully it will help people figure out what is and is not acceptable.

westtip

As I have said before hilarious stuff.

corktina

the term "being a dick" is offensive to some people in the same way as "being a Wally" would be. Speaking as a Dick:rolleyes: however that phrase was first used was ill-advised. To quote it likewise.

Nevyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil_Wheaton#Wheaton.27s_Law

Wheaton's Law

During his keynote speech at the 2007 PAX (Penny Arcade Expo), Wheaton made a note about sportsmanship when playing games online. It has since become known as Wheaton's Law, which states: "Don't Be a Dick!".[33] This was intended to apply to life in general, not just online gaming.[34]

If you don't like, don't want it as one of the site rules I suggest you start a thread in feedback.

Calina

westtip wrote: »

Calina we can clearly have a difference of opinion on a number of issues, you may think they are blokes but my guess is they are guys, but cutting out all the cr*p (much of which I come up with) I simply want to ask one question:

Why was DW Commuter banned?

If he was being disruptive I for one certainly can't see it. Nor offensive, nor using abusive language.

He has however over the past years contributed endlessly to this forum in a very incisive way and clearly he knows a great deal about the mismanagement of Irish rail over the past number of years.

This thread has run on and on ..... and it is mainly a result of a few of us here failing to understand why he was banned.

Perhaps you and Victor might share it with us all here.

No. I won't. If DWCommuter wants to pass on the text of his ban notice to you for his own reasons, that's up to him. I personally choose not to as it is a matter between the user and the mod and the appeals process. He has been challenging the mod team for a ban for a while, however, and this could be seen in his signature.

This thread was not started about DWCommuter's ban. If you think it was, then you are mistaken. Since I started it I am pretty definite about it. This thread was started because I really think that there are a number of users, either by design or ignorance, who are disrupting the forum significantly and I wanted to remind you ALL that there is a charter.

The reason this thread has lasted so long is that a small number of users do not like being reminded that in addition to rights, they have responsibilities under the charter as cited above.

For what it's worth, I agreed to moderate when I was asked to do so - because I have never asked to be a moderator, or even expressed a desire to know how one becomes a moderator - because I wanted to put something back into the community which I have benefitted a great deal from. I find the community has changed a lot over that time.

@corktina - in my view a lot of the complaints I have to deal with should not be necessary because users should be grown up enough not to behave like 4 year olds because someone happens to disagree with them. While it is part of the territory of being a moderator, I would say that the existance of a moderation team should not afford the community carte blanche to behave like 4 year olds.

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In general, to close, again, my issue is that there is a charter, you should bear it in mind when posting, and also, because I haven't really had time to do it of late, welcome a new mod which I did not know was coming when I opened the thread. Hi Chris.

corktina

Calina wrote: »

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@corktina - in my view a lot of the complaints I have to deal with should not be necessary because users should be grown up enough not to behave like 4 year olds because someone happens to disagree with them. While it is part of the territory of being a moderator, I would say that the existance of a moderation team should not afford the community carte blanche to behave like 4 year olds.

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I fully agree with you except that you don't have to do it, presumably you do it because you want to.

Nevyn

corktina wrote: »

I fully agree with you except that you don't have to do it, presumably you do it because you want to.

Why are you niggling with her on this point?
Are you hoping she will step down?