If UPC bring in 100MB, will the...

hightower1

The logic of some folk here is astounding and not in a good way.
The idea that 100mbs is worthless if there is a usage cap is just crazy.

I dont think I'll bother try and explain much more as some people just seem to post thinking that UPC are watching to take tips from randomers here on how to set up packs or something rofl!!!

Something tells me though they are looking not at a dozen posters on a forum but rather a couple of thousand customers they'd have surveyed.

The common drive in internet providing in Ireland in the last 5+ years has been clearly an increase in SPEEDS not caps..... businesses survive and make their shareholders money by giving what the majority ask for of them.... if they are supplying faster speeds and not being driven by larger caps... that tells you that THIS is where the wants of the majority are.... if there was a genuine market for a package with symmetric uploads and no cap they would sell this... why not? It would make them money.. the whole point of their existence.... if its not for sale anyone who wants a pack like that is THE MINORITY and as such is not going to be pandered to by an ISP.


Having your wants be i the minority is not good for anyone but it happens, simply because this is explained to you you cant just stick your fingers in your ears and claim its rubbish. TBH some of the posters here sound like what they actually need is a business sme pack and are too tight to spring for it , they are just sitting wishing that UPC will for some odd reason release 100mb with no cap under no greater logic than .... "I want it I want it I want it"

I cant see it now... UPC release 100mb with the same cap.... the usual heads then whinge to high heaven that 100mb is useless. The joy is though..... thats the minority , and like it or not no company listens to the minority. Its not in their best interest.

vibe666

you know, it's really not fair that you sit up there in your ivory tower trying to tell everyone what they can and can't do and how people should behave and then you just make it so easy to shoot you down because you post nothing but absolute twaddle on such a consistent basis.

yet again, pretty much the sole basis for your posts are the same made up opinion stated as fact that you've been peddling since you got here.

i never said anything about no usage cap, all i've said was that 250gb on a 100mbps product is pointless when you can breeze past that cap in 6 hours, particularly given that it's next to impossible to download anything at 100mbps in the first place.

i've repeatedly asked for an example of something that you just can't be bothered to download at 30mbps because it would take 'too long' that you would download at 100mbps (as you had stated as an example of why you might use 100mbps) but you've conveniently (and repeatedly) ignored it because you know it's a totally hollow argument with no basis in fact.

here's a 'fact' for you. only a tiny percentage of the residential users here on this forum are going to get 100mbps from UPC because it's most likely going to cost somewhere between €70-90 going by the price range in other UPC territories, which is going to put it firmly in the territory of the current (unpublicised) UPC 'extreme' package that is reserved for extremely high usage customers who repeatedly go over the 250gb FUP.

i don't see that price going down too well with this 'joe soap' average user you keep likening yourself to so yet again your hollow arguments go right out the window. :rolleyes:

please feel free to pull some imaginary argument out of thin air again to entertain the rest of us.

dub45

vibe666 wrote: »

you know, it's really not fair that you sit up there in your ivory tower trying to tell everyone what they can and can't do and how people should behave and then you just make it so easy to shoot you down because you post nothing but absolute twaddle on such a consistent basis.

yet again, pretty much the sole basis for your posts are the same made up opinion stated as fact that you've been peddling since you got here.

i never said anything about no usage cap, all i've said was that 250gb on a 100mbps product is pointless when you can breeze past that cap in 6 hours, particularly given that it's next to impossible to download anything at 100mbps in the first place.

i've repeatedly asked for an example of something that you just can't be bothered to download at 30mbps because it would take 'too long' that you would download at 100mbps (as you had stated as an example of why you might use 100mbps) but you've conveniently (and repeatedly) ignored it because you know it's a totally hollow argument with no basis in fact.

here's a 'fact' for you. only a tiny percentage of the residential users here on this forum are going to get 100mbps from UPC because it's most likely going to cost somewhere between €70-90 going by the price range in other UPC territories, which is going to put it firmly in the territory of the current (unpublicised) UPC 'extreme' package that is reserved for extremely high usage customers who repeatedly go over the 250gb FUP.

i don't see that price going down too well with this 'joe soap' average user you keep likening yourself to so yet again your hollow arguments go right out the window. :rolleyes:

please feel free to pull some imaginary argument out of thin air again to entertain the rest of us.

Do you mean the "unlimited" package that's actually more "unlimited" than the other unlimited package? The one that you might inadvertently end up on if you live in the "wrong area"?:rolleyes:

tazzzZ

is the extreme package subject to the same fair usage policy or is the whole point that they get the extra bandwidth. therefore if the 100mb package is priced in this region surely it falls under the same terms and conditions and then the extra bandwidth applies to that package?

If this scenario is the case I would assume the "extreme package" bandwidth usage would apply? could be completely wrong but i think it would make sense?

and tbh the % of ppl looking for this package is irrelevant. the OP just asked if the FUP will be increased when the upgrade arrives. tbh I would expect the "extreme package" FUP to apply to the higher bandwidth packages. but this is just my assumption.

dub45

tazzzZ wrote: »

is the extreme package subject to the same fair usage policy or is the whole point that they get the extra bandwidth. therefore if the 100mb package is priced in this region surely it falls under the same terms and conditions and then the extra bandwidth applies to that package?

If this scenario is the case I would assume the "extreme package" bandwidth usage would apply? could be completely wrong but i think it would make sense?

and tbh the % of ppl looking for this package is irrelevant. the OP just asked if the FUP will be increased when the upgrade arrives. tbh I would expect the "extreme package" FUP to apply to the higher bandwidth packages. but this is just my assumption.

The problem is that the "extreme" package is an unadvertised punishment product which exists in a sort of phantom zone for bad boys (and girls presumably) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Zone.)

It is invisible on the UPC website and can only be accessed through rituals involving massive downloads (which you think that you are entitled to but you are not) and allegedly threatening correspondence.

According to "legends of the unlimited" it is quite expensive and apparently if you pay the extra lolly you can download what you like and to hell with the neighbours (who UPC are apparently only concerned about if you pay for the lesser "unlimited" product which fascinates mathematicians everywhere).

vibe666

tazzzZ wrote: »

is the extreme package subject to the same fair usage policy or is the whole point that they get the extra bandwidth. therefore if the 100mb package is priced in this region surely it falls under the same terms and conditions and then the extra bandwidth applies to that package?

If this scenario is the case I would assume the "extreme package" bandwidth usage would apply? could be completely wrong but i think it would make sense?

and tbh the % of ppl looking for this package is irrelevant. the OP just asked if the FUP will be increased when the upgrade arrives. tbh I would expect the "extreme package" FUP to apply to the higher bandwidth packages. but this is just my assumption.

nobody actually knows yet, we're just speculating. well some of us are speculating, other people like to make crap up themselves and pass it off as fact.

Thor

vibe666 wrote: »

nobody actually knows yet, we're just speculating. well some of us are speculating, other people like to make crap up themselves and pass it off as fact.

Well said!!

vibe666

Damo9090 wrote: »

Looks like UPC.ie have their own speed test software in preparation of 100/120!

http://www.upc.ie/broadband/speedtest/

i'm not entirely convinced it's 100% accurate.

LEIN

lol You done better than me. I struggled to 20 and fell back to 10. I'm on the 30 package.

vibe666

i tried again and got 23mbps which i then checked on speedtest.net, magnet speedtest and with a couple of ftp downloads from heanet and measured the speed via my router and it was just about right.

Karmafaerie

dub45 wrote: »

If something is unlimited it doesn't come with qualifications.

If something is unlimited it doesnt depend on where you live.

Should some customers supposedly on the same product be restricted more than others?

Why can't UPC simply be honest with what they are selling?

Then they would not need "blind" fanboys.:rolleyes:

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

We don't live in a socialist dystopia, and thank you very much for that, and as society and history has shown us, everyone being equal means everyone ends up with next to nothing.

Also, the political forum is that-a-way>>>>>>>>>


I'll try and spell this out as easily as possible.
It's a cable broadband system.
There is absoloutly no way that UPC can guarantee every single customer will get the exact same speed.
It's impossible.

Secondly, if UPC were to give everyone an equal cap, there are two possiblities.

A) They ramp up the price to astronomical levels, to pay for all the backhaul.
Customers across the board loose out to please abut 1%.

They lower the cap to a ridiculously low level to make sure everyone is able to be accomidated for.
Customers across the board loose out to please abut 1%.


Do you notice the paternt here?

UPC have no say over where you live, or who lives next to you.
Despite you're obvious opinions, UPC aren't a "1984" type conglomerate taking over the world!
(Wow, two Orwell refferences in one post!)

They are a company who are catering for the vast, vast, vast, majority of their customers.
Are you suggesting that UPC should have the ability to stop people moving into your area so as to make sure you can download more.
Some kind of apartheid system perhaps.


You are not UPC.
You are 1 of 170,000.
Accept that.

Karmafaerie

vibe666 wrote: »

i'm not entirely convinced it's 100% accurate.

What speed test site is?

vibe666

Karmafaerie wrote: »

What speed test site is?

err, the one in the post i quoted when i posted the screengrab. sorry, thought it was pretty obvious.

Karmafaerie

vibe666 wrote: »

err, the one in the post i quoted when i posted the screengrab. sorry, thought it was pretty obvious.

No speedtest site is acurate, as you know.
The only way to properly test your speed is through uncontended downloading of an open file.

No ISP is ever going to blankly agree that you have slow speeds due to a speedtest result.

Note: I'm not saying the UPC speedtest is accurate, just that none are.
Some are more so than others, but I'd never trust one if it gave me a good or bad result.

I've often ran 4 different speed tests minutes apart, and gotten massively conflicting results.

vibe666

Karmafaerie wrote: »

No speedtest site is acurate, as you know.
The only way to properly test your speed is through uncontended downloading of an open file.

No ISP is ever going to blankly agree that you have slow speeds due to a speedtest result.

Note: I'm not saying the UPC speedtest is accurate, just that none are.
Some are more so than others, but I'd never trust one if it gave me a good or bad result.

I've often ran 4 different speed tests minutes apart, and gotten massively conflicting results.

yes i do know. from my earlier post...

vibe666 wrote: »

i tried again and got 23mbps which i then checked on speedtest.net, magnet speedtest and with a couple of ftp downloads from heanet and measured the speed via my router and it was just about right.

Karmafaerie

vibe666 wrote: »

yes i do know. from my earlier post...

Hence me quoting your post on the matter, when you'd already addressed the issue already.

vibe666

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Hence me quoting your post on the matter, when you'd already addressed the issue already.

except that it's not the post you quoted and you basically repeated what i'd already said a few posts earlier like i had never said it, and you'd already previously quoted a post by me asking which speedtest i was using even though there was a direct link to it quoted in the post you quoted, so it seemed like you just weren't paying attention again.

sorry, i can be a complete c**t when i get going!

Karmafaerie

vibe666 wrote: »

except that it's not the post you quoted and you basically repeated what i'd already said a few posts earlier like i had never said it, and you'd already previously quoted a post by me asking which speedtest i was using even though there was a direct link to it quoted in the post you quoted, so it seemed like you just weren't paying attention again.

sorry, i can be a complete c**t when i get going!

Well I have no access to photobucket in work, so sorry, couldn't see any link or image.

vibe666

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Well I have no access to photobucket in work, so sorry, couldn't see any link or image.

ah righto, didn't realise that, so totally forgiven then.

(i'm not always a c**t)

Karmafaerie

vibe666 wrote: »

ah righto, didn't realise that, so totally forgiven then.

(i'm not always a c**t)

I'm only a c**t on weekdays and every second weekend.:p

Automan

Karmafaerie wrote: »

No speedtest site is acurate, as you know.
The only way to properly test your speed is through uncontended downloading of an open file.

No ISP is ever going to blankly agree that you have slow speeds due to a speedtest result.

Note: I'm not saying the UPC speedtest is accurate, just that none are.
Some are more so than others, but I'd never trust one if it gave me a good or bad result.

I've often ran 4 different speed tests minutes apart, and gotten massively conflicting results.

Every week for 6 months I did a speedtest test on UPC.NL, saved them, and rang every friday without fail to complain that I was getting 1 Meg speed instead of 10 meg during the busy hours and 10 meg after 1am, I showed my speedtest results to the Eng when he came out and he agreed it was down to contention, because I rang up every week complaining and quoting the speedtest from there UPC.NL site when they fixed the issue they refunded me just over 100 Euros.

Also with regards to the claim for unlimited BB why dont they just say that it is limited to 250GB? No matter what way you look at it they are lying as there unlimited BB IS NOT UNLIMITED it has a limit I dont care what there reasons are to have a FUP if they say unlimited it should be just that and if there is a limit tell people DONT LIE.
Im sure ill hear the same old crap "If you give a limit people will aim to download to that limit every month" so what if they do, so why do they give a limit of 40GB on there 5mb package?

Anyone I know on the 30mb package are heavy downloaders and big into anything media (especially HD stuff), so they are paying for the top (advertised) package for this reason and only find out that there is a limit of 250GB when they get the letter as the limit is not anywhere on there site (that I can find).

I have no idea how anyone can defend this nonsense they are purposely trying to deceive people.

vibe666

Automan wrote: »

Every week for 6 months I did a speedtest test on UPC.NL, saved them, and rang every friday without fail to complain that I was getting 1 Meg speed instead of 10 meg during the busy hours and 10 meg after 1am, I showed my speedtest results to the Eng when he came out and he agreed it was down to contention, because I rang up every week complaining and quoting the speedtest from there UPC.NL site when they fixed the issue they refunded me just over 100 Euros.

i keep telling people who have issues that they need to call and log the issue for exactly that reason.

you don't even need to call if you don't want to wait on the line, just email support every few days and provide them with any information you have on your speeds. wouldn't hurt for you to keep CC yourself either, just in case.

you might not always get a callback, but the emails are logged and when the time comes you have a wealth of proof that you've had ongoing issues and chances are, if they're significant issues, you'll get a refund or money off your bill for a few months.

moonboy52

I am on the 30Mb package and have been since it came out last year.

I would consider myself a pretty heavy downloader.

I have a D/L meter built into my router so it is easy to keep track of usage.

I never go over the FUP limit (i pick and choose what i download) though come close .

It is a well decent FUP in my opinion, but i understand the desire to have it raised.

Karmafaerie

Automan wrote: »

Also with regards to the claim for unlimited BB why dont they just say that it is limited to 250GB?

Cause it's not.
Want to go back and read the numerous posts I've made in this very thread where I say that people were going to ignore my post?

Classic.

Lots of UPC customers use 300, 400, 500, 600, etc in a month with no problem.
So putting in effect a 250 GB cab would hurt them.
Why do you hate these people that you've never met so much?

UPC only seem to enact the AUP if you're living in an area with lots of heavy users.
And seeming as UPc have no say over where you live, that's not something they can take into account.

Automan wrote: »

No matter what way you look at it they are lying as there unlimited BB IS NOT UNLIMITED it has a limit I dont care what there reasons are to have a FUP if they say unlimited it should be just that and if there is a limit tell people DONT LIE.

There is no limit.
Sorry.

Automan wrote: »

Im sure ill hear the same old crap "If you give a limit people will aim to download to that limit every month" so what if they do, so why do they give a limit of 40GB on there 5mb package?

You really are pushing out the boat on being wrong multiple times in a post here.

Automan wrote: »

Anyone I know on the 30mb package are heavy downloaders and big into anything media (especially HD stuff), so they are paying for the top (advertised) package for this reason and only find out that there is a limit of 250GB when they get the letter as the limit is not anywhere on there site (that I can find).

Cause it's not a limit.

Simples.

Automan wrote: »

I have no idea how anyone can defend this nonsense they are purposely trying to deceive people.

That's probably because you never read their posts and just assume that you know what you're talking about.

Karmafaerie

moonboy52 wrote: »

It is a well decent FUP in my opinion, but i understand the desire to have it raised.

I apreciate what you're saying, but when it comes to pushing the boundries, it's been UPC doing it for the last few years.

We are in a thread about 100MB speeds after all.
Does anyone think that we'd be talking about a fraction of these speeds if it wasn't for UPC?

Also, seeing as UPC have the largest D/U limits with the exception of Magnet who're not as far reaching, why is it UPc's fault?

UPC are pushing the limits, but of course that's never going to be enough.

Haters gonna hate.
Just like this thread where they complain about a "cap" that doesn't even exist yet!

moonboy52

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I apreciate what you're saying, but when it comes to pushing the boundries, it's been UPC doing it for the last few years.

We are in a thread about 100MB speeds after all.
Does anyone think that we'd be talking about a fraction of these speeds if it wasn't for UPC?

Also, seeing as UPC have the largest D/U limits with the exception of Magnet who're not as far reaching, why is it UPc's fault?

UPC are pushing the limits, but of course that's never going to be enough.

Haters gonna hate.
Just like this thread where they complain about a "cap" that doesn't even exist yet!

+1

For my part, it is human nature to want more, although 30Mb down / 3Mb up suits me fine.

If the FUP stays as it is then i will not complain as i think that UPC offer a superb level of service ( more HD channels would be nice though ) and i for one am a happy customer

steve010

UPC 120mb going well so far upload speed is low but not really important to me...

Automan

Im sorry do you work for UPC? Either that or your a serious UPC fanboy.:rolleyes:

Do you remember there about a year ago when many people from many different areas were getting letters stating they had exceeded the FUP limit of 250GB it did not stipulate that it was area dependent some were put onto a more expensive package and given unlimited BB (amazing I though they were already on an unlimited package).

I have not heard of anybody getting any letters from UPC in a long time, maybe they have backed away for the moment or people are staying within the limit.

Do you know for certain that people are downloading over 500GB per month?

Karmafaerie wrote: »

UPC only seem to enact the AUP if you're living in an area with lots of heavy users.

But according to you there is no limit.

Karmafaerie wrote: »

There is no limit.

Perhaps you need to luck up the dictionary term for no limit and unlimited.

kamin99

steve010 wrote: »

UPC 120mb going well so far upload speed is low but not really important to me...

so are you telling me that 100mb broadband it is actually here, what area are you in . very promising though:D

hobbit stomper

steve010 wrote: »

UPC 120mb going well so far upload speed is low but not really important to me...

Sorry I didn't read the the past 80 posts, but is there a 120Mbit line from UPC?