wiring a shed- RECI registered?

sofaking

Hi, I am a qualified electrician (usually in the industrial sector for a contractor).
I have been offered a job of wiring a storage shed which will eventually be connected to the ESB supply. It is a very basic installation :- 5 double sockets, 4 x 58w twin fluorescents (5 foot) and 2 two foot fluorescent fittings. Do I need to be a registered contractor to complete this job ( and sign completion cert. etc)? I am not RECI registered and also don't have the necessary test equipment.

Any opinions would be appreciated..

Randyleprechaun

No you dont need to be registered contractor.

You can get ECSSA to cert it for you. Follow this link:

http://www.ecssa.ie/includes/tiny_mce/plugins/filemanager/files/Application_for_Certification.pdf

sofaking

Randyleprechaun wrote: »

No you dont need to be registered contractor.

You can get ECSSA to cert it for you. Follow this link:

http://www.ecssa.ie/includes/tiny_mce/plugins/filemanager/files/Application_for_Certification.pdf

thanks for the info. unfortunately I don't have the testing equipment either. Is it possible that I could install everything and get a contractor to test it and sign it off? Just wondering would this be commom practice? It is a small private installation, all single phase. It's mainly being used for storing machinery etc and lights and a small number of sockets is all that's required.

Randyleprechaun

I'm not being smart but,

Let someone who has the test gear and can issue certs do the job.

Plenty of them out there looking for work, big or small>>>>>:D:D:D:D;););)

sofaking

think I might go ahead with it anyway. Surely I can find someone to sign off such a basic installation. Where are you based anyway, Randy?

or anyone else.. I don't mind sharing the job. It's in Dublin.

Randyleprechaun

Well, it's not the road I'd go down, that kind of crack is ruining our industry.!!!!!!!

2011

Why don't you borrow the test gear from your employer and get the ECSSA in to cert it?
Although this is not ideal it is the best you can do if you insist on doing the job.

Carlow52

sofaking wrote: »

think I might go ahead with it anyway. Surely I can find someone to sign off such a basic installation. Where are you based anyway, Randy?

or anyone else.. I don't mind sharing the job. It's in Dublin.

The sharing here is that you expect someone to carry the can if the work is not done right: their insurance, their test equipment etc etc,

as noted elsewhere on the post leave it for someone who can do the lot, especially if u are lucky enough to still have work.

I see 2011 wants u to use your employers gear for a nixer: great

2011

Carlow52 perhaps you missed this part of my post:

Although this is not ideal it is the best you can do if you insist on doing the job.

Neither of us can prevent people from doing nixers. If they insist on doing them surly this is the best way?

sofaking

2011 wrote: »

Why don't you borrow the test gear from your employer and get the ECSSA in to cert it?
Although this is not ideal it is the best you can do if you insist on doing the job.

I'm not currently employed by a contractor. I've been working overseas mostly for the last few years. Looks like I'll have to give this job a miss. Seems to be too much hassle to get it signed off etc.

sofaking

Carlow52 wrote: »

The sharing here is that you expect someone to carry the can if the work is not done right: their insurance, their test equipment etc etc,

as noted elsewhere on the post leave it for someone who can do the lot, especially if u are lucky enough to still have work.

I think you've misunderstood. I was talking about sharing the whole job including the installation etc (rather than me doing all the installing and expecting someone else to come in and sign it off). As I mentioned above, it's a small and very basic installation so I didn't think people would see this as a problem.

bertie1

With very little work out the I see the problem . I carry insurance , Test equipment , no pay for days I don't work . No stamps to claim off of if there is no work out there. You have a job ( I assume 39 hours a week and are paid regularly ) but you don't see the problem when a registered contrator has to bear the costs of insurance etc ( which you most likely do not have if you are employed)
Not to mention the cost of RECI certs, accountants , vat etc. If I have no work I still pay an A class stamp for PRSI but am not alowed to sign on

Yet you think foxing or nixers are ok on the side. Don't pay the over heads just take in the cash .

Where is the problem?

dave45dave

If someone asked you to do it as a nixer , why does it have to be signed off. A nixer is a nixer cash in hand , dole at end of week. We all do it.

bertie1

Bet you still expect your employer to come up with pay for 39 hours work next week, even if you undercut him for a job on Saturday.

dave45dave

Yeah i work 39 hours for them , saturdays are my time , can i not nixer

Kristopherus

Begrudgery wont get the job done!!! OP, my hunch would be to do the job. You will most likely get the certification items from your contacts.

bertie1

dave45dave wrote: »

Yeah i work 39 hours for them , saturdays are my time , can i not nixer

No problem if you pay insurance , declare your income , pay an accountant & register with RECI or ECSSA .

Then you are operating on a fair playing field .

If your employer turned around in the morning & said sorry I have been under cut in the last 40 jobs (possibly by yourself ) I have to let you go . How would that go down .

sofaking

dave45dave wrote: »

If someone asked you to do it as a nixer , why does it have to be signed off. A nixer is a nixer cash in hand , dole at end of week. We all do it.

I mean signed off as in completion certs etc. It's a new building that will need a new ESB supply.

bertie1 wrote:

With very little work out the I see the problem . I carry insurance , Test equipment , no pay for days I don't work . No stamps to claim off of if there is no work out there. You have a job ( I assume 39 hours a week and are paid regularly ) but you don't see the problem when a registered contrator has to bear the costs of insurance etc ( which you most likely do not have if you are employed)
Not to mention the cost of RECI certs, accountants , vat etc. If I have no work I still pay an A class stamp for PRSI but am not alowed to sign on

Yet you think foxing or nixers are ok on the side. Don't pay the over heads just take in the cash .

Where is the problem?

There is no problem.
It's not as if I'd be expecting someone to do the job for free. And I'm not employed by a contractor at the moment (as I mentioned above). Whoever I get to sign it off can wire the distribution board (if they want) so they don't need to worry about the job not being done correctly.

sofaking

Kristopherus wrote: »

Begrudgery wont get the job done!!! OP, my hunch would be to do the job. You will most likely get the certification items from your contacts.

yes, you're right. cheers.

dave45dave

Bertie does this happen to you a lot. Im working in Eli Lilly and will get you a few chill pills in the morning.

M cebee

it's frustrating competing against guys doing nixers

i try to be philosophical about it

dave45dave

Its only frustrating now because people arnt so busy. This time last year many contractors wouldnt even look at a job that small.

M cebee

flip side:rolleyes: -this time last year there weren't as many guys drawing dole and doing dodgy nixers out of the back of cars