Tim Tebow's new haircut

eagle eye

:eek:

mikemac

Has to be rookie hazing.

Tebow is no Dez Bryant, if the senior Broncos want to take Tim Tebow down a peg he'd go along with it

So due respect for being a teamplayer, he won't whine over this

tallaghtoutlaws

Cant see the pic in the thread but if its the pic I saw earlier its his hazing haircut.

This one

BrenosBolts91

haha and this is the QB of the future for the Broncos.

tallaghtoutlaws

BrenosBolts91 wrote: »

haha and this is the QB of the future for the Broncos.

Have to say out of all the haircuts done to rookies during their hazing his is not bad

eagle eye

Yeah thats the pic I had up tallaght. Dunno what happened to it. Anyways I know exactly what it is, but people will look at that and think its some religious thing which is why I guess they did that.;)

bobby wade

think I'd have more respect for him if he'd stoodup to them & not let them do that

eagle eye

bobby wade wrote: »

think I'd have more respect for him if he'd stoodup to them & not let them do that

He is a quarterback not a defensive tackle:D

davyjose

bobby wade wrote: »

think I'd have more respect for him if he'd stoodup to them & not let them do that

Agreed. I've a new found respect for Dez Bryant since he stood up for himself.

tallaghtoutlaws

Dudes why is this a big deal? Hazing is common throughout the US in High Schools to College to Pro Sports. Hazing although frowned upon by some is tradition and a bit of fun. What many of the NFL rookies went through over the last few weeks is light compared to some of the stories I have heard about hazing. Hair grows back quickly and I am sure Tebow didn't mind. It seems 99% of the Rookies laughed it off or got into it. They knew it would happen so why not just go with the flow and keep your team mates happy as they would have gone through it in the past.

Bryant on the other hand has done himself no favours. Sure fair play to him for standing his ground in some ways but really? Is the potential fall out worth it? Wow some Vet asked you to carry his pads from A to B hardly a strenuous task. If you ask me Bryant comes off as a guy who feels he is too good for all of that craic. Great attitude to have really :rolleyes: Want to hope now he actually proves himself on the field.

davyjose

I agree to an extent, and Tebow took it in good spirits, and fair play to him. Not everyone's the same though, and if someone doesn't want to be a part of it, fair play to them as well. You can't FORCE people to be a part of it -- that's when it becomes an issue, IMO.

Like you said, hazing has gotten out of control at times. I personally don't see how it improves team spirit. Maybe the Veteran LB wants to show a rookie QB earning multiple times his salary who's boss, but that's just sour grapes too.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

Agreed. I've a new found respect for Dez Bryant since he stood up for himself.

Bryant is just a clown, I lost all respect for him when he wouldn't carry the pads off the field.

He is already showing that he will be a problem. I'm sure that Romo, Witten and all the other senior guys were not impressed by Bryant. Its a bonding thing.

Tebow showed he is a man's man, not that I'm surprised as I wouldn't have expected any less from him.

davyjose

There's an article in SI about it, which I found interesting. Maybe that's shaped my opinion on it: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/29/hazing/index.html

Lads, just cos it's a "tradition" doesn't make it a bonding exercise. I'm sure there are lots of people who feel p!ssed off, or bullied, when they get hazed. Is it really necessary for bonding? I sincerely doubt it.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Lads, just cos it's a "tradition" doesn't make it a bonding exercise. I'm sure there are lots of people who feel p!ssed off, or bullied, when they get hazed. Is it really necessary for bonding? I sincerely doubt it.

To be fair though the level of Hazing in the NFL is pretty light and cannot be considered as anywhere near the extremes of bullying. Shaving ones hair or asking them to carry your pads to me is light hearted banter and fun. And most of the players it seems see it that way.

We aren't exactly talking about the type of hazing done in College Frat houses and some college sports teams. And most of these guys would have gone through some sort of hazing through high school and college.

Sure there is a line you don't cross no one is debating that and sure some hazing is wrong but in this case it is no more than a bit of fun.

And necessary for Bonding? Having a good bond between players could be the difference on keeping level heads when times are tough. A team that has bonded will most definitely work better together than a team full of guys who dont get on.

Neil3030

I can't understand how people bond over this childish crap tbh.

Peyton Manning

Remember Dwayne Bowe's hazing for the Chiefs? They tied him to the goalpost with cling film lol

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

And necessary for Bonding? Having a good bond between players could be the difference on keeping level heads when times are tough. A team that has bonded will most definitely work better together than a team full of guys who dont get on.

Totally agree. I'm just saying there are probably better ways of bonding than that. Maybe I'm wrong, but if someone got a little over eager, shall we say, that could possibly even cause a rift.

As for Tebow, yeah, he took it well, and fair play to him. I'm still not going to condemn Bryant though.

tallaghtoutlaws

Neil3030 wrote: »

I can't understand how people bond over this childish crap tbh.

It is group mentality really. American kids who take part in sports or join frats in college will experience this at least once in their lives. It is just a form of banter really, ok some do take it to the extreme but for the most part it is just a group of seniors having a laugh with a group of rookies. You have to grow a pair of balls quickly or it could leave you being picked on because you didnt grow a pair. Sometimes it is just better to go with the flow than be that one who goes against the grain. Especially when it is truly light hearted like a shaved head or carrying someones pads.

bobby wade

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

It is group mentality really. American kids who take part in sports or join frats in college will experience this at least once in their lives. It is just a form of banter really, ok some do take it to the extreme but for the most part it is just a group of seniors having a laugh with a group of rookies. You have to grow a pair of balls quickly or it could leave you being picked on because you didnt grow a pair. Sometimes it is just better to go with the flow than be that one who goes against the grain. Especially when it is truly light hearted like a shaved head or carrying someones pads.

Im of the opinion it takes bigger balls to say no. It might be easier to go with the flow, doesn't make it better.

tallaghtoutlaws

bobby wade wrote: »

Im of the opinion it takes bigger balls to say no. It might be easier to go with the flow, doesn't make it better.

Ah come on really? So for the sake of keeping everyone happy and getting on with the team mates you have to work with for the foreseeable future you wouldn't just go with the flow and get your hair shaved or carry someones pads? Especially when you are part of a team and everyone else on the team has had this done to them? Each to their own I suppose.

As someone who was bullied when I was a child I can fully appreciate forms of bullying. But in this case I find you can find yourself the black sheep of the "family" if you don't go along with it.

See the way I look it it either way the players wont get picked on or bullied whether they take part in the hazing or not. But players attitudes will most certainly be different to them. Next time there is a bonding session on, that is more appropriate and not childish or the team mates needs to depend on you for something they wont put their trust in you for being the Captain Bringdown during the original hazing.

bobby wade

No I wouldn't go along with it.

It's being called tradition & harmless hazing but it is bullying, minor yes but is it really an example you want to be setting for schoolkids?

tallaghtoutlaws

bobby wade wrote: »

No I wouldn't go along with it.

It's being called tradition & harmless hazing but it is bullying, minor yes but is it really an example you want to be setting for schoolkids?

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I know plenty of people who have gone through hazing in one form or another and out those people a very small minority would agree with you. Some people just need to grow thicker skin I guess especially when they are willingly going into a club or sports group where hazing is considered tradition.

But I will say in closing there is most definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes to hazing but that is another days story and this isn't the place for it.

tallaghtoutlaws

To add to all of this Bryant has come out and said had he known Williams request was part of the Hazing he would have taken his whole uniform So says Al Michaels on this here Pre-season Cowgirls and Bungals game.

Dohnny Jepp

bobby wade wrote: »

Im of the opinion it takes bigger balls to say no. It might be easier to go with the flow, doesn't make it better.

It takes a bigger ego, not bigger balls.

bobby wade

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I know plenty of people who have gone through hazing in one form or another and out those people a very small minority would agree with you. Some people just need to grow thicker skin I guess especially when they are willingly going into a club or sports group where hazing is considered tradition.

But I will say in closing there is most definitely a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes to hazing but that is another days story and this isn't the place for it.

Indeed

To clarify would Iin that postion have carried the pads? Probably yes as it's harmless i just don't agree that Bryant should be ripped for it

Would I let anyone shave my head like that HELL NO 7 if ya did ya better have 4.3 speed

Neil3030

I just don't like it. It's an extension of a very irritating part of human nature (and more specifically, it could be argued, American culture) that dictates fun can only be at someone else's expense. A bunch of senior players picking on a newbie is predatory and cowardly.

It's a dominance/submission thing at the end of the day. And it really says a lot about the primitive intelligence levels of these professional athletes that they can only "trust" a newcomer when they submit to their pack leaders in the form of being a sport about a prank. It shows such an ironically sad insecurity on the latter's part actually.

Like I said, not for me. And if I were a coach I'd make an example of anyone trying that kind of **** in my team - let them know who the real pack leader is

Chucky the tree

Pretty easy to spot the kids who were bullied in school in this thread. :pac:

tallaghtoutlaws

Neil3030 wrote: »

Like I said, not for me. And if I were a coach I'd make an example of anyone trying that kind of **** in my team - let them know who the real pack leader is

Why would any coach get involved when no rules or laws have been broken. At the end of it they were simple pranks and they broke no rules. A coach would be stupid to get involved when no lines have been crossed. The fact these guys are gown men and they should be able to deal with it by themselves.

For me it boils down to ones sense of humour and the fact whether they have a pair or are somewhat thick skinned. And most of those guys should have already formed a pair of balls and hardened up considering they have most likely gone through that since high school and they play a contact sport.

Each to their own I guess.

Oh and just to add take Bryant for example. When he realised it was considered hazing and tradition he changed his mind on the subject. He thought originally Williams was just being a d1ckhead and asking him to carry his pads.

davyjose

Was Bradford hazed?

I wonder if the same rules apply to someone with the weight of a franchise on them? If he was, fair enough, but I can't see that as a positive for a guy expected to carry the team on his shoulders. Alternatively, if he wasn't, it just goes to show, it's a form of bullying. Because it's aimed solely at those who "have to take it".

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Was Bradford hazed?

I wonder if the same rules apply to someone with the weight of a franchise on them? If he was, fair enough, but I can't see that as a positive for a guy expected to carry the team on his shoulders. Alternatively, if he wasn't, it just goes to show, it's a form of bullying. Because it's aimed solely at those who "have to take it".

Most likely. The Rams probably didn't go to the extent of shaving heads. NFL hazing consists of many things from getting a drink for a player or carrying equipment to getting your head shaved or the extreme getting tied to goal posts. Not every team had news stories about their hazing because it most likely wasn't juicy enough for the media.

And just because Bradford is starting doesn't mean he isn't someone that has to take it. He is a rookie plain and simple and if the Rams hazed their Rookies Bradford most likely took part. Because if he didn't the media would have caught on. See what I did there. Now you are just looking for an excuse really to spin this in a really bad way.

tallaghtoutlaws

Yup he did:

http://twitter.com/OneRamsWay/status/20072363232

Just look at how they bullied Bradford :rolleyes:

Peyton Manning

Davy, it's not bullying. Have you ever watched Hard Knocks? They always capture the hazing on camera.

Dwayne Bowe for the Chiefs was taped to the goalpost with clingfilm, and was laughing and talking to the camera during the whole thing.

Felix Jones hadn't been at training camp for more than 10 minutes when Pacman dunked a basin full of water over him. He laughed his ass off over too. His biggest grievance was that they got his food damp!

The Bengals rookies last year had to get up and perform in front of the seniors. Half of them took the piss, singing joke songs, the others took it seriously and performed tribal dances (i.e. Rey Maualuga). They didn't have any problem with it.

You really are making a mountain out of a molehill here.

davyjose

Tbh, I think there's a difference between making a guy carry some gear, and shaving his head, so maybe the argument isn't against hazing per sè, but against the levels of hazing.

I've been sent for the "long stand" on my first day of work, in the past, and I've laughed it off. If someone shaved my head, I'd probably be on to HR.

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

I've been sent for the "long stand" on my first day of work, in the past, and I've laughed it off.

Glad I'm not the only one. Only in my case, it was a long weight

mikemac

I didn't fall for the long stand
But a fitter sent me to the workshop for a fallopian tube

I watched Ravens Hard Knocks.
Rookies were taped to goalposts, dumped in icy baths and made to fetch lunch for the senior players.
Todd Heap, the first round pick took the Gandhi approach, just accepted it

I didn't like the icy baths part.
Your ankles and wrists are taped and you are dropped into the icy bath, your head would easily go under the water and someone has to drag you up then as you're immobilized. That was out of order but the rest is no big deal at all

bobby wade

Archimedes wrote: »

Glad I'm not the only one. Only in my case, it was a long weight

I remember someone getting sent for a left handed hammer

f1dan

Maybe this will lighten the thread up a bit....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/431968-tim-tebow-and-the-20-worst-rookie-hazings-of-all-time?show_full=true

mikemac

Quality link

In 2008, the Lakers thought they'd help rookie Sun Yue get used to his new city of Los Angeles. So they sent the rookie out for food to the In-N-Out Burger... in Compton.

Ah now, that's going too far!

davyjose

It was worth it. In-N-Out Burger is Quality!

mikemac

Yes but sending a rookie to Compton :eek:

Harsh

davyjose

feelingstressed wrote: »

Yes but sending a rookie to Compton :eek:

Harsh

Compton's not that bad. It's not a war zone. He would have had to be seriously unlucky to have had any trouble.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Compton's not that bad. It's not a war zone. He would have had to be seriously unlucky to have had any trouble.

I would like to see you walk the streets of compton at night and come back here and say that. :D:D

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I would like to see you walk the streets of compton at night and come back here and say that. :D:D

I never said at night. :D

i've been through some of the rougher parts of Baltimore, on foot, and survived though.

Whippersnapper

It's demeaning and I'd love to know how many of the players go along with it just because they don't want to be the "black sheep" or look like they have no sense of humour when in reality they feel humiliated.

davyjose

Whippersnapper wrote: »

It's demeaning and I'd love to know how many of the players go along with it just because they don't want to be the "black sheep" or look like they have no sense of humour when in reality they feel humiliated.

Don't know the answer to that, but that's exactly what I admired (regardless of the pro/anti argument) about Bryant. Takes a lot of balls to stand up for yourself in that kind of situation.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Don't know the answer to that, but that's exactly what I admired (regardless of the pro/anti argument) about Bryant. Takes a lot of balls to stand up for yourself in that kind of situation.

But Bryant has come out and said had he known it was tradition he would have done it. He thought Williams was just being a tosser asking him to do it and said if he had know he would have carried Williams full gear and clothes. So Bryant has shown he is not against the Hazing he just misunderstood the reasons why Williams was asking him to carry his gear.

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowboys/2010/07/dez-bryant-blames-media-for-controversy-says-he-didnt-know-about-hazing-tradition.html

Dez Bryant blames media for controversy, says he didn't know about hazing tradition

Wide receiver Dez Bryant talked Tuesday for the first time since the mini hazing controversy erupted on Sunday when he refused to carry veteran receiver Roy Williams' shoulder pads into the locker room.

He expressed frustration over the media blowing something "that was nothing" out of proportion.

"It was never an issue," Bryant said. "Y'all made it an issue. It was never nothing. Y'all are trying to turn it into something."

With the fans at the Alamodome coming to his defense with derisive chants to the media, Bryant continued to vent. It's especially frustrating to him because of his concerted efforts to get off to a good start with the Cowboys after a controversy-filled final season at Oklahoma State last year. Bryant was ruled ineligible for lying to the NCAA about a dinner with former Cowboys cornerback Deion Sanders. His draft stock dropped because of concerns about his character and punctuality.

"I have been trying to do the right thing," Bryant said. "Y'all are trying to turn it into something negative. I am going to continue to do the right thing. Everybody on the team likes me, and I like eveyrbody on the team. Y'all are trying to put me and Roy against each other. That is not going to happen. We are trying to do something real special here. We are going to continue to keep trying to do that."

Bryant said he was actually blindsided by the initial request and the reaction that followed because he didn't know anything about the right of passage tradition of a rookie carrying a veteran's gear after practice. He said if he knew it was going to turn into a big story he would taken all of Williams' clothes into the locker room

"I didn't, I didn't know," Bryant said. "And like I told Roy, if I knew that situation was going to turn out this big he could have walked in with his tights on. I would have took his shoulder pads, his pants, his helmet, his socks, his shoes. I would have took everything."

Bryant said as far he is concerned, the situation is behind them. Williams maintains that Bryant will have to do something for the veterans like buy dinner.

Bryant said he has no problem with that.

"Dinner is fine," Bryant said. "I have no problem with dinner."

ArmCandyBaby

Interesting...

davyjose

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

Interesting...

Awesomeness of the Colts reveals itself yet again!!!

Edit: It's an extremely valid point he makes too.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Awesomeness of the Colts reveals itself yet again!!!

Edit: It's an extremely valid point he makes too.

Nah he just comes off as a dry sh1te really

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Nah he just comes off as a dry sh1te really

Patriots have more Superbowls in the last decade than anybody else and they do it so maybe the Colts should take heed.;):D

Whippersnapper

I love some of the comments under that article. That because he's not getting involved with any hazing he therefore doesn't know how to have fun. Reminds me of the reaction people have when they discover that someone doesn't drink alcohol.