History of rush

LeoB

Kit M wrote: »

One Sunday night in or about 1950s, 6 men were playing cards (25s or spoil 15) in the tap room at the back of the bar in St Lawrences Pub,Rush. Shortly after a new barrel of porter was connected one complained that his pint was bad and a couple of others agreed with him. The barrell was disconnected and rolled into the tap room and put on its side under the seat where the man who complained was sitting. A new barrell was connected and all 6 were given fresh pints. The barrell was of the old wooden type with a wooden bung. The card game continued and the man noticed the wooden bung was'nt fully tight and he could take it out easily enough. When the pints were about half gone he took out the bung rolled the barrell forward a bit and topped up the pints when each was about half gone.Never letting a glass get empty and never filling the glasses to the top. Whenever the barman came into the room nobody was ever ready for a pint or did'nt want any because the porter did'nt taste good. At the end of the night as they were "merrily" leaving the barmen said he get the bad porter replaced and apologised. A good night was had by all.

A true story as told to me by 3 of the six who were there,sadly now all passed away.

Didnt hear that particular story but knowing one of them very well It does not surprise me. Unfortunately my father (one of the 6) died when I was just 11 so I never really got to see that side of him. But I do remember him being funny

One night he was in the harbour bar with a certain Kerryman. There was a bit of crack going, few songs and a few yarns when they were joined by a yank. A few locals got tired of buying him pints so my father said this man is from Kerry and he never met a American before and the one thing he would like is for an American to buy a round. The visitor called for a round which was put up and everyone in the snug had a pint on the yank who departed soon after. The Kerryman tells me that every time I meet him. There are other great stories but I could not possibly put them up here as too many are still alive.

GreenLady

Kit M wrote: »

A true story as told to me by 3 of the six who were there,sadly now all passed away.

I remember the same story being told to me by more than one of those who were there. The odd think is that I also knew people who were there when the same thing happened in Donegal, Louth, Yorkshire, Norfolk and Essex on dates which began as early as before the first World War. Not always porter of course - in Yorkshire it was bitter and in Norfolk and Essex it was ale. In each place there was more than one person who swore to being there - indeed there were nearly a dozen of them in Essex where it "happened" in the 30s at the Black Boy (nowadays politically correct as the Black Buoy). Had one of the worst meals of my life there a couple of years back, topped off by a landlord who was a dead ringer for Basil Fawlty and abused the customers for complaining. I'm told it has since improved - it must have since it hasn't closed :-)

LeoB

GreenLady wrote: »

I remember the same story being told to me by more than one of those who were there. The odd think is that I also knew people who were there when the same thing happened in Donegal, Louth, Yorkshire, Norfolk and Essex on dates which began as early as before the first World War. Not always porter of course - in Yorkshire it was bitter and in Norfolk and Essex it was ale. In each place there was more than one person who swore to being there - indeed there were nearly a dozen of them in Essex where it "happened" in the 30s at the Black Boy (nowadays politically correct as the Black Buoy). Had one of the worst meals of my life there a couple of years back, topped off by a landlord who was a dead ringer for Basil Fawlty and abused the customers for complaining. I'm told it has since improved - it must have since it hasn't closed :-)

Strange post.. Are you saying the account by Kit M didnt happen?

GreenLady

LeoB wrote: »

Strange post.. Are you saying the account by Kit M didnt happen?

Well I haven't looked for it on Snopes but when a story seems to repeat itself like that you do have to wonder

Wishbone Ash

I'll have to agree with GreenLady on this one. Via work, I've lived in four different parts of Ireland in the past 25 years and have heard that story in two of them.

I've also heard several other similar type incidents which are retold by those who assume that they are unique to their area.

There is also a story which does the rounds in my current work location which everyone finds hilarious. Strangely, I've been regaled with the exact same story (under different names) in the other three locations around the country where I've worked!

GreenLady

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I'll have to agree with GreenLady on this one. Via work, I've lived in four different parts of Ireland in the past 25 years and have heard that story in two of them.

Actually there is one thing about KitM's version of the story that is slightly different from the usual. What often distinguishes this particular story from other urban legends such as the ghost hitchhiker is that the storyteller normally says they were there when the event took place, but KitM is telling it at second hand. Most of the other stories of this type happened to the tellers friends or relations. I've only ever met one person who actually picked up the ghost hitchhiker themselves - and he told it to us as he drove us along having picked us up as hitchhikers. Husband reminds me that the first time we were told the "bad beer" story we were actually told it by a pub landlord who said he was the person who had been conned.

martinn123

Anyone remember the layout of the old '' Fingal Cave'' ( I know this thread is Rush, but I am sure some Rush residents know this ).

Well in the lounge the taps were at the far end of the counter, and the door to the Bar, at the other end.

So you could order a pint, and casually refill, while the bar-man was busy in the Bar, only Ale or Beer mind you, did'nt work with Guinness,

many an afternoon I spent there, and only had to buy a couple of pints.

And yes, I was there.

GreenLady

Tut tut!

I'm certainly not arguing with that one

kathryn

LeoB

martinn123 wrote: »

Anyone remember the layout of the old '' Fingal Cave'' ( I know this thread is Rush, but I am sure some Rush residents know this ).

Well in the lounge the taps were at the far end of the counter, and the door to the Bar, at the other end.

So you could order a pint, and casually refill, while the bar-man was busy in the Bar, only Ale or Beer mind you, did'nt work with Guinness,

many an afternoon I spent there, and only had to buy a couple of pints.

And yes, I was there.

Similar happened in a few pubs in Rush especially if there was one barman and a delivery came where he had to go out and open the side gate.

Greenlady Iv heard many different stories and some I would take with a pinch of salt but knowing some of the characters around here as Im sure you do I would not be surprised at all.

martinn123

It's a bit like the story of the Guards raiding the Pub after hours, where a Govt Minister was having a late pint.

''Do you want a Pint or a transfer Guard''

Regular tale around Fingal, where Rambo, John Boland, and a few others were involved.

Personally I was there when John Boland was involved;)

Wishbone Ash

martinn123 wrote: »

It's a bit like the story of the Guards raiding the Pub after hours, where a Govt Minister was having a late pint.

''Do you want a Pint or a transfer Guard'

That story is regularly referred to in the media but always incorrectly reported that the Garda was asked if he wanted "a pint or a transfer".

I'm open to correction on some detail but the story centers on the late Sean Doherty, Fianna Fail TD,( from Boyle, Co Roscommon) and later Minister for Justice.

In 1982 in the midst of the 3rd general election in 18 months, a group of canvassers for Doherty gathered for a meeting in a pub in Boyle. Doherty attended the meeting but subsequently left. The meeting went on for a long time and a Garda called to the pub after 2am and found a group inside and took their names. Sean Doherty was subsequently elected as a TD and appointed Minister for Justice by Taoiseach, CJ Haughey. The publican suspected that the raid had been orchestrated by political opponents to embarrass Doherty (as it was his 'local') and sough his help in dropping the case. When he became Minister, Doherty sought to have the matter dropped but the Garda in question wasn't for turning. It is then alleged that Doherty then used his position to attempt to influence AGS top brass and have the Garda transferred to another area.

As far as I know, he wasn't successful but the story took off from there. Doherty was not present during the raid and even if he was, he hadn't been made Minister at that stage. The Garda in question was never given the choice of "a pint or a transfer" but why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

martinn123

Another story doing the rounds, is that a new sargeant arrived in Balbriggan Station who was not too popular.
One night he decided to raid a Pub frequented by Gardai, accompanied by a junior Guard.

On hearing the knock on the door at 1am, 20 gardai who were having a ''lock in'' ran into the jacks

The Sargeant ordered the Junior to search the toilets, and when he opened the door he was met by colleagues, some quite senior, who had their finger to their mouth stating ''shushhh'

A shout from the Sargeant, demanded ''anyone there Guard'' to which he replied ''NO SIR''

The young guard did not have to buy a drink for quite a while after that night.

Kit M

I have no reason not to believe the 3 people who told me. 3 of them told me the same story on different occasions and told me the same names of those who were there. The details were the same each time. I knew the 6 people and I sent LeoB 4 names privately.

Pacj

Kit M wrote: »

I have no reason not to believe the 3 people who told me. 3 of them told me the same story on different occasions and told me the same names of those who were there. The details were the same each time. I knew the 6 people and I sent LeoB 4 names privately.

Hey Kit M ,just joined but been following boards for long time. Your story is the same as that told to me by two men from Ballykea. Wonder if its the same people. The four others were from Rush, one of whom moved to Dublin. All now deceased, the last 5 or 6 years ago. I remember the tap room in the pub well.
Do'nt know why it was called the tap room,there were no taps in there.

I see there are some doubters,wonder why!

LeoB

Anyone hear of burial grounds in Rush apart from Whitestown and Kenure?

Heard many years ago there are a few graves at Upper Main St junction with Sandy Road. I was reminded of this on a trip to Balrothery workhouse last Sunday week

Wishbone Ash

LeoB wrote: »

Anyone hear of burial grounds in Rush apart from Whitestown and Kenure?

An official from FCC told me one time that there are/were 6 or 7 in Rush.

LeoB wrote:

Heard many years ago there are a few graves at Upper Main St junction with Sandy Road

Do you mean Main St/Channel Rd? There's supposed to be a few there alright in the vicinity of the rear of the bookies.

There is also St Catherine's.

I can't recall the others now.

Pacj

LeoB wrote: »

Anyone hear of burial grounds in Rush apart from Whitestown and Kenure?

Heard many years ago there are a few graves at Upper Main St junction with Sandy Road. I was reminded of this on a trip to Balrothery workhouse last Sunday week

Many very young children died from cholera and small pox in the 1800s and early 1900s. My Grandfather, long since dead, said he knew of a couple of familys who buried a baby in their back gardens. He lived on the Sandy Road. I do'nt think the famine had much of an impact on Rush in the way of deaths.

LeoB

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Do you mean Main St/Channel Rd? There's supposed to be a few there alright in the vicinity of the rear of the bookies..

No thats the one that came to mind at the gable of Paddy Powers. Heard there was a number of graves there.

Pacj wrote: »

Many very young children died from cholera and small pox in the 1800s and early 1900s. My Grandfather, long since dead, said he knew of a couple of familys who buried a baby in their back gardens. He lived on the Sandy Road. I do'nt think the famine had much of an impact on Rush in the way of deaths.

The famine didnt have much impact here but cholera caused a lot of deaths. Did the cottage hospital spring from that? The cottage hospital is the 3 story house beside Dalmac on Lr Main Street. Iv heard of infants being buried in gardens ok and I think that was widespread. But the Sandy Road angle looks to be fairly spot on.

Pacj

LeoB wrote: »

No thats the one that came to mind at the gable of Paddy Powers. Heard there was a number of graves there.



The famine didnt have much impact here but cholera caused a lot of deaths. Did the cottage hospital spring from that? The cottage hospital is the 3 story house beside Dalmac on Lr Main Street. Iv heard of infants being buried in gardens ok and I think that was widespread. But the Sandy Road angle looks to be fairly spot on.

It ceased being a hospital before my time. I remember Ennis's
shop just to the left.
Are the buriels you mentioned documented anywhere or just hearsay.

LeoB

Dont know if they are documented but I think I know someone who will know so I bump into him over next few days.

Kevin Thorp had a piece on the cottage hospital in Rush community news a while back. I will see if he can send me any details on it and I will post them here.

Pacj

kateoncapecod wrote: »

Hi Kit M. I am still working on tracing my Leonards from Rush. The community news piece has helped. Please feel free to email me ay <mod snip - no personal email addresses in posts - PM only> and maybe we can be of assistance to one another.
Best,
Kate
PS thanks to all others who have offered assistance! Your help has been gratefully received.

Hey Kateoncapecod,

How are ya doin with your family tree. Anyone give you any helpful info?

Pacj

LeoB wrote: »

Dont know if they are documented but I think I know someone who will know so I bump into him over next few days.

Kevin Thorp had a piece on the cottage hospital in Rush community news a while back. I will see if he can send me any details on it and I will post them here.

Good God LeoB,your deadly. Love historical info about Rush

LeoB

Anyone heard from the Cardinal recently? There is a man who does good research and posts up great pieces of info

Kit M

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to look at the parish register or are they held here.

LeoB

Kit M wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to look at the parish register or are they held here.

Contact Fr Coughlan P.P at parochial House Chaple Green Rush. Very friendly man who may be able to help you.

Cardinal Richelieu

LeoB wrote: »

Anyone hear of burial grounds in Rush apart from Whitestown and Kenure?

Rush has 3 current/ recent graveyards, Kenure COI has a burial ground around it but it was only consecrated in 1899.

Cardinal Richelieu

Information from Return of Expenses incurred by Inspectors General of Police and Resident Magistrates in Ireland, 1830-32

Staffing Levels in Selected Fingal Police Stations in 1830

Rush
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4

Lusk
No listing for Lusk, listing for Ballough
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4

Skerries
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4

Howth
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 0
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 3

Naul
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4


Malahide
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 2
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 3


Balbriggan
Chief Constable: 1
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 9
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 10(Chief Constable not included in total count)


Garristown
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 4
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 5

Donabate
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 0
Sub-Constable: 4
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4


Fieldstown(Rolestown?)
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 2
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 3


Baldoyle
Chief Constable: 1
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 6
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 7(Chief Constable not included in total count)


Ballyboghill
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 2
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 3


Swords
Chief Constable: 1
Constable: 2
Sub-Constable: 6
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 8(Chief Constable not included in total count)


Ward
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4

Cardinal Richelieu

Just to show the reputation of the Rush Ling(Lyng) fishing industry throughout Ireland in the early 1800s. 4th paragraph down references it.

Extracts:Commissioners of Irish Fisheries: second report, 1820


Unfornately the report does not give an individual breakdown of Dublin ports beyond Dublin and Balbriggan but you can see the huge volume of Ling landed at the time in the Dublin Fishery as well as the employment levels.

LeoB

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Information from Return of Expenses incurred by Inspectors General of Police and Resident Magistrates in Ireland, 1830-32

Staffing Levels in Selected Fingal Police Stations in 1830

Rush
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4

Lusk
No listing for Lusk, listing for Ballough
Chief Constable: 0
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 3
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 4


Balbriggan
Chief Constable: 1
Constable: 1
Sub-Constable: 9
Total Number of Men at Each Station: 10(Chief Constable not included in total count)

Would this be that the police station would have been linked in someway to the workhouse ran by Balrithery Union at Ballough?

So Balbriggan was biggest station then and is now back to the same position

Cardinal Richelieu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDN-5YHgPx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4rg56yqq4

Cardinal Richelieu

I may have posted some of these before in an audio links but its easier to access in the Youtube format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8iM7dpZcEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEUGU4ldZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4zAvFFVHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ3zn9z_wG0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPdaYPhLxkk

Cardinal Richelieu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0GduIE0szU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM5hzHKkg0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdZzoYV_bNk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQkOxnNCHdo

There are other Vids concerning other areas of Fingal for anyone interested.

LeoB

Great selection of interviews above Cardinal. I am sure there are some other great stories around. While Rush has lost a few great characters over the last few years there are still a few good ones left who good add some good facts and a bit of humour to Fingal libraries archives.

Anyone remember the Carnival coming to Rush? My earliest memory of these were when they came to Hands lane thats the lane off Main street as you go up to Hickeys chemist. I remember Hudson's carnival up on Sandy Road before you get to Credit Union, where Bayside villas is now built. Looking back that was our entertainment center with the Tideway accross the road. The carnival was there most of the summer and the family who ran it were well liked Paddy and Maud are 2 names I remember from it.

The Tannoy would start about 4pm, Swinging boats, Chair o planes and Super dodgems. Candy floss, toffee apples and treats. It was like a dust bowl on a dry evening but great crack.

In the late 70s we also had a high wire dare devil on a motor bike in the church car park. He rode his bike from one side to the other on a high wire.

martinn123

Hudson's Carnival, happy days, lots of showing off on the Bumpers, remember it opposite the Tideway OK, and for a few years on Golf links Rd, at the junction of Sandy Hills.

On a real summer day, the centre of attraction was swimming off the back of the harbour. many of the summer visitors, stayed in various, caravans, shacks, and huts off the North Beach, and if the weather, and tide was right the harbour was the place.
Learning to swim was a few dips at the front, then when you were feeling confident, someone pushed you off the back, literally, sink or swim, most made it out OK.
The beach in front of the park, was for the day visitors, with the Harbour Bar across the road.
What was the name of the lady who sold Hot Water, out her living Room window, to the visitors to make tea, great enterprise.

So between the Harbour, Beach,Carnival, Tideway, and Harbour Bar, many liasons were arranged, some, like mine, have survived to this day.
happy days.

Cardinal Richelieu

LeoB wrote: »

I remember Hudson's carnival up on Sandy Road before you get to Credit Union, where Bayside villas is now built. Looking back that was our entertainment center with the Tideway accross the road. The carnival was there most of the summer and the family who ran it were well liked Paddy and Maud are 2 names I remember from it.

About 5-6 years back a bunch of movie posters came up for auction including some posters from the Savoy Cinema in Rush. Most likely in a private collection somewhere now.

bucaneer

kateoncapecod wrote: »

I am hoping that someone out there can help me trace some ancestors from Rush. My 4th great Grandparents were Nicholas Leonard (1784-1868)and Eleanor Kane Leonard (1779-1843) both born and died in Rush. There is a headstone erected to them in Whitestown Cemetery that was erected by their son Christopher Leonard of Boston, Massachusetts. At least 4 of their sons (William, Nicholas, Christopher and Richard) emigrated to Boston, 3 of whom were in the fishing business. Nicholas and Eleanor's granddaughter Ellen Leonard was my great grandmother. She was born in Rush in 1843. She married John Fulham of Portrane at St Maur's in 1864 before emigrating to Boston. I am hopeful that one of the Leonard branches still in Rush might trace their line back to Nicholas and Eleanor and/ or be able to tell me a bit about any of the Leonards as I'm sure we are all related if we go back far enough.

Hi
this is just a short account of my Leonard ancestors.My GR Gr Grandparents were John Leonard and Margaret Leonard,nee Madden.They were Grocer's spirit and Ling merchants in 104 Marlborough street dublin in the 1840s 50s and 60s. also a hotel and tavern for a while in 100 Marlborough street.Also during those years first John then when he died in 1862 Margaret were listed as ship owners and merchants in Rush.One of their sons Francis took over the business from his mother and opened business's on the south Circular Rd and Clanbrassill street area of Dublin.To this day it is known as leonards corner.As francis and his wife had no Children the Business's were sold in the early 20th century.They Died in 1913 and 1914.

Pacj

bucaneer wrote: »

Hi
this is just a short account of my Leonard ancestors.My GR Gr Grandparents were John Leonard and Margaret Leonard,nee Madden.They were Grocer's spirit and Ling merchants in 104 Marlborough street dublin in the 1840s 50s and 60s. also a hotel and tavern for a while in 100 Marlborough street.Also during those years first John then when he died in 1862 Margaret were listed as ship owners and merchants in Rush.One of their sons Francis took over the business from his mother and opened business's on the south Circular Rd and Clanbrassill street area of Dublin.To this day it is known as leonards corner.As francis and his wife had no Children the Business's were sold in the early 20th century.They Died in 1913 and 1914.

Hey,Howa Doin,
in Rush
there was a John Leonard born 1800 also 1813,1819,1821,1822.

LeoB

bucaneer wrote: »

Hi
this is just a short account of my Leonard ancestors.My GR Gr Grandparents were John Leonard and Margaret Leonard,nee Madden.They were Grocer's spirit and Ling merchants in 104 Marlborough street dublin in the 1840s 50s and 60s. also a hotel and tavern for a while in 100 Marlborough street.Also during those years first John then when he died in 1862 Margaret were listed as ship owners and merchants in Rush.One of their sons Francis took over the business from his mother and opened business's on the south Circular Rd and Clanbrassill street area of Dublin.To this day it is known as leonards corner.As francis and his wife had no Children the Business's were sold in the early 20th century.They Died in 1913 and 1914.

I am sure the Leonards in the Bawn are related to you some way.

I remember a Francis Leonard from the Bawn who drowned at Rush harbour around 1968/69/70. H e was about 14- 15 years of age. Its actually one of the first memories I have of the pier. His father was Joser Joseph and his mother was Sheila. His siblings were Gerry, Greg, Paul Joseph, James and Ken. Not sure if there was a sister.As far as I know they are all in America except Gerry and Greg who is doing up the home place at the moment. Gerry aka strangler is a ships pilot or something like that and I think is based in Canada. Greg was a great footballer in his youth. James aka Brano was a great charachter, full of devilment, a great crack as a child. He is I think either in Boston or Canada They all done well and very nice lads.

bucaneer

Thank you for that information LeoB and Pacj. It is a long time since i was in Rush I must make it my business to go there soon.Another connection with Rush are Rickards.My Gr Gr Gr Granfather Francis william Madden who is on the cert as a Grocer from Francis street Dublin Married Margaret Rickard on the 1st of Dec 1800 in Rush.one of their children James Patrick Madden was a Solictor who had practices in Osberstown and 87 Talbot street Dublin.In the 1850s a William Leonard was the Harbour master im not sure if he was related.Thank you again for the information,I must study it and digest it all.

LeoB

Spoke to one of the Leonard's today. They can trace themselves back to 13/14th century in Rush. He knew about Leonard's corner and had other snippets like 20 Irish boats fishing in France in 1800, 6 of them were from Rush and some were Leonard's.

Am printing off some of what has been posted here and will give it to him during the week with a few questions and see if he comes back with anything.

Pacj

bucaneer wrote: »

Thank you for that information LeoB and Pacj. It is a long time since i was in Rush I must make it my business to go there soon.Another connection with Rush are Rickards.My Gr Gr Gr Granfather Francis william Madden who is on the cert as a Grocer from Francis street Dublin Married Margaret Rickard on the 1st of Dec 1800 in Rush.one of their children James Patrick Madden was a Solictor who had practices in Osberstown and 87 Talbot street Dublin.In the 1850s a William Leonard was the Harbour master im not sure if he was related.Thank you again for the information,I must study it and digest it all.

a Mary Rickard married Nicholas Leonard in 1808, might be some relation.

bucaneer

Thanks Leob for that information very interesting.I did not realise that fishing boats went that far from Rush.It will be interesting to hear more of your friends recollections.Thank you Pacj for the information on Mary Rickard,I have just searched and found the cert on roots ireland.I have read that Rush was famous during the 19th century for its Ling,which may explain why the Leonards were Wholesale ling Merchants in Marlborough street which was not far from the Railway station which would have made it handy for transport.I am assuming that rush had a railway station in the mid 19th century. Thank you for the Information.

LeoB

Back in 17th / 18th Century Rickard's owned two valuable houses in Rush.

Whitestown House had a view right down Rogerstown Estuary and a house at the harbour at the other end of Rush which had a panoramic view of Irish sea from beyond Drummanagh up to Howth.

Pirates were mentioned in the chat I had yesterday with a member of Leonard family.

bucaneer

Thanks for that LeoB.I like the Pirates thing, maybe other seafarers would have other idea's.It seems some of my ancestors could have had a nice lifestyle.It is great to get all these bits and pieces they eventually lead to more information.Thanks again.

Cardinal Richelieu

bucaneer wrote: »

Thanks Leob for that information very interesting.I did not realise that fishing boats went that far from Rush.It will be interesting to hear more of your friends recollections.Thank you Pacj for the information on Mary Rickard,I have just searched and found the cert on roots ireland.I have read that Rush was famous during the 19th century for its Ling,which may explain why the Leonards were Wholesale ling Merchants in Marlborough street which was not far from the Railway station which would have made it handy for transport.I am assuming that rush had a railway station in the mid 19th century. Thank you for the Information.

You would be correct, the station opened on the 25th May of 1844 when the railway line from Dublin to Drogheda opened. But I wouldn't rule out the horse and cart from Rush to Dublin since that was the way most vegetables were transported from Rush and Ling was dried and salted and stored in barrels.

bucaneer

Thank you for that Cardinal,they certainly got the Railway's opened up quick back then.I imagine nowadays it would take much longer.

bucaneer

Hi Pacj.Just got the Baptism cert of John Leonard dated 26-april-1800. That seems to be my Gr Gr Grandfathers.It fits in with his age when he died plus the Rickard connection is there.thanks for that

Pacj

bucaneer wrote: »

Hi Pacj.Just got the Baptism cert of John Leonard dated 26-april-1800. That seems to be my Gr Gr Grandfathers.It fits in with his age when he died plus the Rickard connection is there.thanks for that

I had done and still doing research on my own ancestors (Leonards),and I remembered the name John leonard you mentioned.
There was a John born to John Leonard and Bridget Connor,my ancesters.
John & Bridget had 6 sons that I know, I think there was a 7th. There are
plenty of the John/Bridget line in Rush. Also see an earlier quote from Kateoncapecod.

bucaneer

Hi Pacj
we could be related,My john Leonards Parents were almost certainly John Leonard and Bridget Connor.I have managed to find siblings William 1793 Thomas 1789 Nicholas 1787.A few more to find.William leonard had some well known Descendants,including a silver medalist at the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin Charles Frederick Leonard junior in the Pentathlon.You probably have all that information.My Niece lives in Donabate and was in rush last Saturday taking her Daughter to i Think Gymnastics.She went to the graveyard and was checking out some of the Leonard graves.she found a few which could have been relatives.She also noted that a lot of Leonards had great longevity.Thanks again for the Information.

LeoB

bucaneer wrote: »

Hi Pacj
we could be related,My john Leonards Parents were almost certainly John Leonard and Bridget Connor.I have managed to find siblings William 1793 Thomas 1789 Nicholas 1787.A few more to find.William leonard had some well known Descendants,including a silver medalist at the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin Charles Frederick Leonard junior in the Pentathlon.You probably have all that information.My Niece lives in Donabate and was in rush last Saturday taking her Daughter to i Think Gymnastics.She went to the graveyard and was checking out some of the Leonard graves.she found a few which could have been relatives.She also noted that a lot of Leonards had great longevity.Thanks again for the Information.

If she takes her daughter to DP Gymnastics she is parked beside Leonard's farm, its at the gable end of the DP Gymnastics building and the green house across the road is another Leonard family. If she drove down the Bawn Road which is where she would turn there are about 8 families of Leonards and I told 2 of them about this thread.

Of the names you mention above I spoke to Tommy Leonard about this thread and I know a Nicholas and William Leonard quite well also. I have no doubt you are related.