Parent Child Parking Spaces - Name n Shame em...

mikemac

Artaine (not Artane) Castle was always a disaster for parking.

Disabled spaces abused and people double parking at the front.
But realy, it's no better and no worse then any place.

People will slit your throat to get your space by the front but it's an extremely large car park and loooooooads of room down the back.
Have to laugh at people circling and waiting for a space down the front. But their choice.

Me, when I lived nearby I had a moped so I got to park by the bike rack right by the door, bikes rule :cool:

I think disabled spaces should be ruthlessly enforced but P&C? Realy, I'm not pushed.

gbee

feelingstressed wrote: »

Have to laugh at people circling and waiting for a space down the front. But their choice..

There is an unexplained phobia about this behaviour.

One on my local shopping centres has a four floor multi-story car park. It has a front middle and end access points to the shopping centre, both way opening lifts AND travelators throughout.

Yet I see this phenomenon, and the despair on the poor attendants who try to get people to use other access points and even get them to go to upper levels.

But in vain ~ it is an odd behaviour pattern and IMO has nothing to do with trying to get a disabled or special needs parking space.

To give you an idea, most shops have say twelve near the door spaces [just for example] now my new store has three access points on four floors meaning 12 x 6 or 36 space BY the door to the elevator or travelator on EACH floor. Yet I see this shark feeding frenzy in one area ~ it's not making sense ~ it's not like people have to walk further than the lift.

Naturally I go to the upper floors and park by the lift, straight down and into the shop ~ beats surface parking ~ as long as it's laid out right of course, they all don't get the concept of integrated parking.

Max_Damage

I park in them just to piss other people off

spockety

I presume nobody here who is against P+C spaces actually has any kids?

It's not special treatment "just because you have a kid". The design of the spaces actually serves particular practical purposes. Think about it for a few minutes.......

Ireland is such a f*cked up greedy every man to himself country that it's no surprise to see a bunch of single Golf driving blokes complaining about something as progressive and refreshing as a simple, yet effective, parenting aid.

Eric Cartman

mother and child spaces are the best things ever, close to the door and wide enough to park a 4x4 in without being cramped in by other cars. I use them all the time , words have been said to me a few times but a cheeky grin sorts that

Eric Cartman

corktina wrote: »

i don't think anyone should get preferential treatment but I can understand a supermarket wanting to make it easier for the big spenders to shop there.

well then tesco maynooth should just put in a "just gettin fags, duck tape and a bottle of coke" parking spaces

kiersm

Not everyone who dislikes C&P parking places is a bloke I'm not!!! I don't see why they have to be nxt to the door, I'm as entitled as anyone else to park there and there is no law in place regarding them so I can & WILL park in them when available & anywhere why shouldn't be used as disabled spaces I have noticed there is more P&C places than disabled spaces.

spockety

kiersm wrote: »

Not everyone who dislikes C&P parking places is a bloke I'm not!!! I don't see why they have to be nxt to the door, I'm as entitled as anyone else to park there and there is no law in place regarding them so I can & WILL park in them when available & anywhere why shouldn't be used as disabled spaces I have noticed there is more P&C places than disabled spaces.

I presume you have been pro-active with your local supermarket, and petitioned the manager to have the P+C spaces moved to a more suitable location? :rolleyes:

gbee

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well then tesco maynooth should just put in a "just gettin fags, duck tape and a bottle of coke" parking spaces

Exactly. I've been canvassing along these lines locally too, seriously, the disabled and women with children are not the only shopping demographic.

gbee

kiersm wrote: »

I have noticed there is more P&C places than disabled spaces.

You know, I've also advocated for the removal of 24/7 disabled spaces too. I think the disabled should get a free to park anywhere sticker, even on the footpath in these new super-wide 'pedestrian' thoroughfares, where once four lanes of traffic and two lanes of parking has been reduced to one lane of traffic and no parking.

spockety

gbee wrote: »

Exactly. I've been canvassing along these lines locally too, seriously, the disabled and women with children are not the only shopping demographic.

lol.

People who can't see the difference between a disabled person, someone struggling to do their shopping with kids/babies, and a perfectly able bodied person on their own stopping in the shop for a box of fags?

Welcome to Ireland.

gbee

spockety wrote: »

lol. stopping in the shop for a box of fags?
Welcome to Ireland.

Point taken and commented on, at one time one could stop on any corner and run into a shop an buy a packet of fags and a bottle of milk, even leave the engine running.

But now most of us HAVE to negotiate a supermarket and the obnoxious queue just for the same thing.

Welcome to Ireland right back at ye!

Knine

Its bad enough when people without kids park in parent and child spaces but if you are in the situation of being a disabled permit holder (for my child) and you cant get a space because people are sitting in them without permits and you then have to confront that person because you need to park. It makes going out with your disabled child an ordeal.

And ive often been told to F**k off when I ask them can they please exit the disabled bay. Do they think leaving their hazards on makes it ok?

The last person that told me to Fook off and wandered into the shopping centre had his car clamped 10 mins later because I was so fed up I reported him to security.

dr.fuzzenstein

Knine wrote: »

Its bad enough when people without kids park in parent and child spaces but if you are in the situation of being a disabled permit holder (for my child) and you cant get a space because people are sitting in them without permits and you then have to confront that person because you need to park. It makes going out with your disabled child an ordeal.

And ive often been told to F**k off when I ask them can they please exit the disabled bay. Do they think leaving their hazards on makes it ok?

The last person that told me to Fook off and wandered into the shopping centre had his car clamped 10 mins later because I was so fed up I reported him to security.

Good on yer!
Sadly there is a section of the Irish population that will be obnoxious, anti-social, rude, but sadly also potentially violent when confronted. From all sections of the community.
Whether it's a disabled bay, parent and child space, yellow box, double yellows and everyone's favourite: abandoning the car to run into the shop for a six-pack, packet of fags and a lotto quick-pick.
It's selfish, obnoxious, rude and I'm sad to say that I have learnt to associate those traits with the Irish since you would never see this behaviour back in the civilised world (anywhere mainland Europe, really) because people there have more respect for other people and the rules designed to help us all live together.
If people have a problem with parent and child bays:
Write cranky letters, do protest marches, annoy for local TD, chain yourself to the gates of Leinster House painted green and covered in porridge oats and finally when you don't succeed become a weird, angry recluse who cannot deal with the world anymore and finally has to be dug out of 3 tonnes of rubbish and end up in a home, but in the meantime just keep to the friggin' rules!
It's called civilisation, you should try it one day.

Cantona's Collars

My nearest supermarket is a branch of Aldi and used by a lot of Eastern Europeans-they NEVER park in the P+C spaces unless they have kids,the only ones I see abusing the spaces to park by the door are Irish,another phenomenon is the husband parking right outside the door as the wife does the shopping.So sitting in the car makes it alright to park where you like even though there is a space not 10 feet away.

djimi

gbee wrote: »

Exactly. I've been canvassing along these lines locally too, seriously, the disabled and women with children are not the only shopping demographic.

The other demographics have designated spaces too; its called the REST OF THE CAR PARK! The way you go on youd swear that every shop only has 10 spaces, all of which are designated as disabled or p&c parking. Go down to any decent sized Tesco store and I guarantee youll find at least quarter of the parking spaces free at any given time. Youd swear civilization was coming to an end because you have to walk an extra ten feet to get to the door of shop... :rolleyes:

Max Power1

P+C spaces ?

Why do people get preferential treatment because they decided to pop out a few sprogs? Typical irish that is :rolleyes:

I park in them all the time (P&C that is, not disabled bays, those people actually need preferential treatment)

As this is a name em and shame em thread, ill name and shame Max Power1. Might get a few pics when i'm out doing the shopping next weekend.

brownej

Max Power1 wrote: »

P+C spaces ?

Why do people get preferential treatment because they decided to pop out a few sprogs? Typical irish that is :rolleyes:

I park in them all the time (P&C that is, not disabled bays, those people actually need preferential treatment)

As this is a name em and shame em thread, ill name and shame Max Power1. Might get a few pics when i'm out doing the shopping next weekend.

If you get offended by Parent and Child places then I assume you'd be equally offended by women only parking places. I've seen these quite a bit in Germany "Frauenparkplatz". they're generally close to the door in multistory underground car parks.

Abelloid

Max Power1 wrote: »

P+C spaces ?

Why do people get preferential treatment because they decided to pop out a few sprogs? Typical irish that is :rolleyes:

I park in them all the time (P&C that is, not disabled bays, those people actually need preferential treatment)

As this is a name em and shame em thread, ill name and shame Max Power1. Might get a few pics when i'm out doing the shopping next weekend.

Is it only preferential if the spaces are close to the door? How exactly does parking close to the door benefit anybody?

Michael 09

I raised this point on here a couple of months ago and got abused for saying that I park in them all the time (no kids) because I think they're bullsh1t and also because it is not illegal.

good to see the amount of anti parent and child space supporters on this thread!

Max Power1

brownej wrote: »

If you get offended by Parent and Child places then I assume you'd be equally offended by women only parking places. I've seen these quite a bit in Germany "Frauenparkplatz". they're generally close to the door in multistory underground car parks.

I believe this was discussed earlier on thread. On the same premise, of course I would be against these. However, as this is Ireland and they are not prevalent here, it is not of much concern to me currently

JustinOval wrote: »

Is it only preferential if the spaces are close to the door? How exactly does parking close to the door benefit anybody?

It is preferential, as someone who made a choice to have children is given preferential treatment by having a designated parking space/spaces where only those who have children can park.

Abelloid

Max Power1 wrote: »

It is preferential, as someone who made a choice to have children is given preferential treatment by having a designated parking space/spaces where only those who have children can park.

There are maybe 1 in 15 designated spaces, do you feel these spaces are in some way better, or more desirable than all of the others available to you? Why? Closer to the door? Are you asked to wait at the gates while all of the parents park first?

cynder

Max Power1 wrote: »

P+C spaces ?

Why do people get preferential treatment because they decided to pop out a few sprogs? Typical irish that is :rolleyes:

I park in them all the time (P&C that is, not disabled bays, those people actually need preferential treatment)

As this is a name em and shame em thread, ill name and shame Max Power1. Might get a few pics when i'm out doing the shopping next weekend.

TBH i dont give a rats ass who parks in those spaces, but the spaces are put there to make it easier for parents(male and female) to get their kids out of the car, in many normal car-parking spaces you cant open the door wide enough to reach in and get the baby/child out of their car seat.

Cantona's Collars

Parking spaces are laid out to maximise the number of cars that can get into a car park-no thought that people have to actually get in and out of the cars once they park.If anyone is near the multiplex in Wexford try and park properly there then get out of the car without being a contortionist and hitting the car next to you with your door-then try it with kids. Just because there's no law against parking in p+c spaces it's common sense to leave them to the parents with kids-I bet the guys that boast about using them just to p!ss people off would be the first to bitch when some 4 year old takes the side out of their car while swinging a door open or smashing a trolley into them.For feck sake it's only a few spaces out of many.People are like cattle when it comes to parking,they feel the need to bunch in the one area. Recently in Carlow I parked in a near empty car park and seconds later a woman pulls in an parks literally inches from me-I had to move the car just to open my door,meanwhile there was at least 50 empty spaces around me she could have used.After my previous experience there I was nervous about any woman parking beside me(had my car smashed up and she drove off)

djimi

zerks wrote: »

Parking spaces are laid out to maximise the number of cars that can get into a car park-no thought that people have to actually get in and out of the cars once they park.If anyone is near the multiplex in Wexford try and park properly there then get out of the car without being a contortionist and hitting the car next to you with your door-then try it with kids. Just because there's no law against parking in p+c spaces it's common sense to leave them to the parents with kids-I bet the guys that boast about using them just to p!ss people off would be the first to bitch when some 4 year old takes the side out of their car while swinging a door open or smashing a trolley into them.For feck sake it's only a few spaces out of many.People are like cattle when it comes to parking,they feel the need to bunch in the one area. Recently in Carlow I parked in a near empty car park and seconds later a woman pulls in an parks literally inches from me-I had to move the car just to open my door,meanwhile there was at least 50 empty spaces around me she could have used.After my previous experience there I was nervous about any woman parking beside me(had my car smashed up and she drove off)

Its because of stories like this that I can completely understand the thinking behind people who park their cars evenly taking up two spaces...

Max Power1

JustinOval wrote: »

There are maybe 1 in 15 designated spaces, do you feel these spaces are in some way better, or more desirable than all of the others available to you? Why? Closer to the door? Are you asked to wait at the gates while all of the parents park first?

Why does someone with no physical ailment (other than their own decision to pop out a few sprogs) recieve preferential treatement, in that 100% of (non disabled bay) parking spaces are available to them, and not to me?

I park in the P&C spots the whole time. Really irks me, discrimination for no reason imo.

Michael 09

I don't see any stand up argument that would stop me from parking in these spaces. In most car parks they're not wider, they're just closer to the door, hence the reason why buggies were invented!

Also, the definition is such a grey area that it would be possible to impose. Can i legitimately park in these spaces if I go shopping with my mother or father? Technically it is a parent and child combo?

It's a shopping centre gimmick. End of story

Abelloid

Max Power1 wrote: »

Why does someone with no physical ailment (other than their own decision to pop out a few sprogs) recieve preferential treatement, in that 100% of (non disabled bay) parking spaces are available to them, and not to me?

I park in the P&C spots the whole time. Really irks me, discrimination for no reason imo.

Discrimination? Don't make me laugh. I doubt you (or I) know the meaning of the word.

OldmanMondeo

Max Power1 wrote: »

I park in the P&C spots the whole time. Really irks me, discrimination for no reason imo.

No it is not, it would only be discrimination if it where a law. It is not law but a request to leave these usually larger spaces available for people who have children, please do not call them sprogs, it is insulting and we where all children once. Yes you can park in them if you wish, but would you be the first to complain becuase a parnet needs to take their car out of a "normal" parking spot and block the road while they put the children into the car safetly?

As I said in either this or one of the other P&C threads, people who park in these, while not having young children in the car are pure lazy and inconsiderate to other peoples needs.

Michael 09

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

people who park in these, while not having young children in the car are pure lazy and inconsiderate to other peoples needs.

I don't know if lazy is the correct word. We all try to park closer to the door to avoid unnecessary walking. I'd call us, "people who wish to avoid unnecessary walking" as opposed to "lazy".

OldmanMondeo

Michael 09 wrote: »

I don't see any stand up argument that would stop me from parking in these spaces. In most car parks they're not wider, they're just closer to the door, hence the reason why buggies were invented!

Also, the definition is such a grey area that it would be possible to impose. Can i legitimately park in these spaces if I go shopping with my mother or father? Technically it is a parent and child combo?

It's a shopping centre gimmick. End of story

Buggies are fine if you don't have a shopping trolley as well.

Common sense, Parents and young children, not able bodied lazy people.

Acutally, most are wider to allow doors open fully so parents can put seatbelts on children wothout struggling and possible denting the doors of cars parked beside them.

There are vaild reasons for P&C parking spots, Maybe some of the people against them may in the future see the reasons behind them.

Max Power1

JustinOval wrote: »

Discrimination? Don't make me laugh. I doubt you (or I) know the meaning of the word.

Well it is a request that I not park there, and another demographic may only do so, based upon a set of criteria. Thats discrimination. May not have the serious consequences of say the discrimination against young males by insurance companies (health & motors) or discrimination against blacks/gays etc but its still technically discrimination.

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

No it is not, it would only be discrimination if it where a law. It is not law but a request to leave these usually larger spaces available for people who have children, please do not call them sprogs, it is insulting and we where all children once. Yes you can park in them if you wish, but would you be the first to complain becuase a parnet needs to take their car out of a "normal" parking spot and block the road while they put the children into the car safetly?

As I said in either this or one of the other P&C threads, people who park in these, while not having young children in the car are pure lazy and inconsiderate to other peoples needs.

Exactly. As it is not law and not legally enforceable, I will continue to ignore it, and I'm sure im not the only one.

Having sprogs ,planned bundles of joy, should not entitle one to recieve preferential treatment. Neither does it entitle one to damage other peoples property because of a parents inability to extract the kids from the car without scraping a neighbouring car's door.

djimi

Michael 09 wrote: »

I don't know if lazy is the correct word. We all try to park closer to the door to avoid unnecessary walking. I'd call us, "people who wish to avoid unnecessary walking" as opposed to "lazy".

No Id say lazy is a fair description alright. Its not like the regular spaces are a half a mile walk from the door; at most youre talking a 20-30 second walk.

r3nu4l

Max Power1 wrote: »

Why does someone with no physical ailment (other than their own decision to pop out a few sprogs) recieve preferential treatement, in that 100% of (non disabled bay) parking spaces are available to them, and not to me?

I park in the P&C spots the whole time. Really irks me, discrimination for no reason imo.

Well despite the post below, almost all of the P+C spaces I've seen ARE wider than regular spaces (certainly in my local shopping centres).

The reason it's important is that as has ALREADY been said, it's very difficult (most often) impossible to get a car seat out of the back seat when parked because most spaces are too narrow.

If you can't understand that then there's something wrong with you. Either that or you DO understand and are just a very ignorant, malicious person.

The disrespect been shown to people by calling their children 'sprogs' suggests enough about you for me to know what I think.

Michael 09 wrote: »

I don't see any stand up argument that would stop me from parking in these spaces. In most car parks they're not wider, they're just closer to the door, hence the reason why buggies were invented!

Also, the definition is such a grey area that it would be possible to impose. Can i legitimately park in these spaces if I go shopping with my mother or father? Technically it is a parent and child combo?

It's a shopping centre gimmick. End of story

Not end of story as much as you'd like it to be. I'd love to give you guys a car with only one child in it and tell you to go to five different places and NOT use the P+C spaces just to see how you would get on Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and all that.

Max Power1

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Buggies are fine if you don't have a shopping trolley as well.

Common sense, Parents and young children, not able bodied lazy tools.

Acutally, most are wider to allow doors open fully so parents can put seatbelts on children wothout struggling and possible denting the doors of cars parked beside them.

There are vaild reasons for P&C parking spots, Maybe some of the people against them may in the future see the reasons behind them.

I dont take kindly to being called a lazy tool. We can have differing opinions without resorting to abuse.

The possiblity of denting cars beside them is down to a parent's control over their children. If you cannot control them in public, or manage a simple shopping trip with kids, perhaps they should have thought twice about having children in the first place.

We managed fine for years without P&C spaces, what changed?

r3nu4l

Max Power1 wrote: »

Having sprogs ,planned bundles of joy, should not entitle one to recieve preferential treatment. Neither does it entitle one to damage other peoples property because of a parents inability to extract the kids from the car without scraping a neighbouring car's door.

So where should they park then? What would suit you?

EDIT: Pot meet kettle, you refer to others' kids as sprogs, what do you expect?

What changed?

Cars got bigger, most parking spaces didn't. Child seats became mandatory. Gone are the days when it was easy to take your kids anywhere.
So the problem isn't always kids opening the doors it's getting the child seats out of the car.

OldmanMondeo

Michael 09 wrote: »

I don't know if lazy is the correct word. We all try to park closer to the door to avoid unnecessary walking. I'd call us, "people who wish to avoid unnecessary walking" as opposed to "lazy".

No I call it lazy, when I have the family and can not get a P&C or if I am on my own I tend to park away form the doors. Better chance of getting a parking spot away form someone who would not be considerate to other peoples cars, if you get my meaning...

Michael 09

djimi wrote: »

No Id say lazy is a fair description alright. Its not like the regular spaces are a half a mile walk from the door; at most youre talking a 20-30 second walk.

In that case how come all the spaces near the door of shopping centres are taken while ones down the back are not? people don't wana walk unless they have to. never mind if it's raining!!

We're not talking about parking in a disabled spot, I would never do that because i think they're justified. Having children in the car makes no difference IMO. And yes I have gone to shopping centres with children in the car

Abelloid

Michael 09 wrote: »

I don't see any stand up argument that would stop me from parking in these spaces. In most car parks they're not wider, they're just closer to the door, hence the reason why buggies were invented!

Also, the definition is such a grey area that it would be possible to impose. Can i legitimately park in these spaces if I go shopping with my mother or father? Technically it is a parent and child combo?

It's a shopping centre gimmick. End of story

It shouldn't require an argument or legal obligation, they're merely a few spaces set aside for a group of people that clearly have requested them at some point in the past. Go ahead, park in them, but don't think you're making some kind of political statement in doing so, truth is you're just displaying some of the hallmarks of somebody brought up with little or no manners.

Tesco usually have suggestion boxes near the info desk, go and fill out a request for spaces touching the main door and set aside for single, lazy-arse 20 somethings, and try to justify those spaces.
Let us know how you get on.

Max Power1

r3nu4l wrote: »

So where should they park then? What would suit you?

EDIT: Pot meet kettle, you refer to others' kids as sprogs, what do you expect?

:rolleyes:

I would expect the parents to retain sufficient control over their offspring to manage a simple shopping trip. My parents managed to do so for both myself and my younger siblings for years, without scraping other cars. What has changed that suddenly this is no longer possible?

djimi

Max Power1 wrote: »

Well it is a request that I not park there, and another demographic may only do so, based upon a set of criteria. Thats discrimination. May not have the serious consequences of say the discrimination against young males by insurance companies (health & motors) or discrimination against blacks/gays etc but its still technically discrimination.

Its probably 5 parking spaces out of a couple of hundred. Its not discrimination; its asking for common decency to allow someone who needs the extra room more than you do to be allowed to park in the space. Its akin to a bus company asking that you keep certain seats at the front free for elderly folk/pregnant women. Its not asking a lot, its not causing a massive hardship by not parking in these spaces, no its not legally enforceable, but anyone with any kind of decency about them should understand and simply agree to keep them free.

Ill be honest, those who are coming out with the attitide of "why shouldnt I be allowed to park in them, who are the shops to discriminate against me for not having kids" really do come across as right selfish pricks. Im not a parent, I have no understanding of how hard it might be to have kids in my car, but I see people struggle every day in car parks trying to go about their business while lugging small kids around after them, and honestly if something like this makes their life a little easier then why would anyone begrudge it to them? Most of us will be in that situation at some time in our lives, and well appreciate things like p&c spaces when we are.

OldmanMondeo

Max Power1 wrote: »

What has changed that suddenly this is no longer possible?

Childseats, big bulky and arkward to acess to strap children in. Also a legal requirement for children under a certain age. When I was growing up, 4 of us in the back off the car with no seatbelts. Safety has taken over, weather we like it or not.

There is more to the rules of the road than just driving you know.

Max Power1

djimi wrote: »

Its probably 5 parking spaces out of a couple of hundred. Its not discrimination; its asking for common decency to allow someone who needs the extra room more than you do to be allowed to park in the space. Its akin to a bus company asking that you keep certain seats at the front free for elderly folk/pregnant women. Its not asking a lot, its not causing a massive hardship by not parking in these spaces, no its not legally enforceable, but anyone with any kind of decency about them should understand and simply agree to keep them free.

Ill be honest, those who are coming out with the attitide of "why shouldnt I be allowed to park in them, who are the shops to discriminate against me for not having kids" really do come across as right selfish pricks. Im not a parent, I have no understanding of how hard it might be to have kids in my car, but I see people struggle every day in car parks trying to go about their business while lugging small kids around after them, and honestly if something like this makes their life a little easier then why would anyone begrudge it to them? Most of us will be in that situation at some time in our lives, and well appreciate things like p&c spaces when we are.

Ok, now im both a "Lazy tool" and a "right selfish prick" according to users on this thread. Wheres the attack the post not the poster attitude gone to? Or would you all prefer some sort of parent and child utopia where those of us with the ignorance to not have children are made to park accross the road so that each parent gets a 40 square foot parking space :rolleyes:

On the note of the pregnant women/elderly people getting reserved seats, I would without hesitation give up my seat to an elderly lady or gentleman, who, through no fault of his own, clearly needs it more than I do. This is despite no legal obligation to do so.The pregnant women decided to become pregnant, and this is none of my concern. As a paying customer I will not be giving up my seat in this instance.

-Chris-

@everyone: Can we try and drop the level of needlessly confrontational language here?

Is it necessary to refer to someone as a "lazy tool" or a "right selfish prick", or to refer to people's kids as "sprogs" in order to make your point?

Max Power1

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Childseats, big bulky and arkward to acess to strap children in. Also a legal requirement for children under a certain age. When I was growing up, 4 of us in the back off the car with no seatbelts. Safety has taken over, weather we like it or not.

There is more to the rules of the road than just driving you know.

Im not talking about the 70s here, I was born in 86 and my youngest sibling was born in the mid 90s. Still pretty modern when they were young. No "4 in the back without belts" situation here.

Abelloid

Max Power1 wrote: »

Ok, now im both a "Lazy tool" and a "right selfish prick" according to users on this thread. Wheres the attack the post not the poster attitude gone to? Or would you all prefer some sort of parent and child utopia where those of us with the ignorance to not have children are made to park accross the road so that each parent gets a 40 square foot parking space :rolleyes:

On the note of the pregnant women/elderly people getting reserved seats, I would without hesitation give up my seat to an elderly lady or gentleman, who, through no fault of his own, clearly needs it more than I do. This is despite no legal obligation to do so.The pregnant women decided to become pregnant, and this is none of my concern. As a paying customer I will not be giving up my seat in this instance.

Now I know this is a wind-up.

djimi

-Chris- wrote: »

@everyone: Can we try and drop the level of needlessly confrontational language here?

Is it necessary to refer to someone as a "lazy tool" or a "right selfish prick", or to refer to people's kids as "sprogs" in order to make your point?

Apologies Chris, I let my emotions get the better of me. Ill tone it down.

Max Power1

JustinOval wrote: »

Now I know this is a wind-up.

No - I am a serious poster, this is my opinion on the subject. I have posted on a regularish basis here for months so it should be obvious that I amnt trolling

Abelloid

Max Power1 wrote: »

No - I am a serious poster, this is my opinion on the subject. I have posted on a regularish basis here for months so it should be obvious that I amnt trolling

You've reeled me in, but I've had enough now. Nice one.

Max Power1

JustinOval wrote: »

You've reeled me in, but I've had enough now. Nice one.

right :rolleyes:

ignore list it is then..