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Girls doing 4 times as much study as boys.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    In the next 50 years there will still be a majority of men owning women in every sector, example: girl in my class studies like a race horse on crack all day and I studied a good bit myself but nowhere near her, she would go to the library till 11 o clock at night, she would even skip meals to study, she ends up getting less marks than me and do ye know what!?

    I walked over to her while she was crying over her results, kicked her in the ovaries till she bled from her gash and said "get yourself together kid!"

    Yeah exactly (although you could probably have done without the images of bleeding ovaries). :rolleyes:

    They are just like the pets of whoever is making the exams. "because the teacher said it was good to study hard", and just memorize everything. Boys have a better understanding of it overall.

    Girls have poor opinions of guys that are "nerdy", or "hardcore" into something and think that's sad, when they themselves get so flipping obsessed with something as stupid as doing well in an exam.

    They say males are so obsessed with beating each other and that sports are so stupid, and then they themselves throw themselves headfirst into the most unfair competitions of all known as the leaving cert, that depends on little more than having a good memory and suiciding the best time of your life away studying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    To be honest I think:

    a) boys tend to play more sports

    b) boys lie about how much study they do. As in they say the do less than they do. They try to be cool and act like they're to tough to study since its not seen as 'manly' the same way being good at sports are. In my school all the lads who got 500+ points said they did no study. They were all lying. This i know cause none of them were actually that smart they could do that well with no study.

    c) girls tend to get more stressed about exams.


    These are my memories at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    :eek::eek::eek:

    Night study. Optional in my school, but those who do it aren't out till 9:30.
    So 7 isn't that outrageous really.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Back in my secondary school days the 'smart' girls really only had photographic memories and very little understanding of what they were actually learning. They could regurgitate reams of information from text books but if you tried to talk to them about a topic or get them to think about it at all then they didn't have a clue.

    The smarter guys did very little 'study' and were just better able to grasp concepts and expand upon them.

    Shame the Leaving Cert is basically just a test of memory for the most part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    c) girls tend to get more stressed about exams.
    Girls in general tend to worry more about the "what ifs", whereas men tend to have a "come what may" attitude. Or men are more likely to bury their head in the sand.

    Either way, the results that half of girls claim to be excessively stressed about the LC, but only 30% of boys lay the same claim gives an indicator as to why girls study 4 times more than men do. They care more about it, basically.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    The smarter guys did very little 'study' and were just better able to grasp concepts and expand upon them.
    I disagree. The 'smart' guys pretended not to study so as not to appear nerds.

    Of course the really smart people figured out how to work the exams system. These day parents pay leeson street to do that for them. Heaven forbid little johnny had to actually use his brain.
    Shame the Leaving Cert is basically just a test of memory for the most part.

    Yeah its bollocks really. But at least its equitable bollocks


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,322 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

    Have you nothing useful to add?
    Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
    Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
    Or for so many young men to experience failure?

    Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    spurious wrote: »
    Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

    Have you nothing useful to add?
    Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
    Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
    Or for so many young men to experience failure?

    Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

    Are you on the blob?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    spurious wrote: »
    Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

    Have you nothing useful to add?
    Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
    Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
    Or for so many young men to experience failure?

    Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

    Yeah, seriously. There are some amount of ridiculously sexist posts in here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    Millicent wrote: »
    Yeah, seriously. There are some amount of ridiculously sexist posts in here.

    You must share an appartment with Spurious - it's a sympathy period:(


    Seriously tho - it's AH - I have yet to see any thread without the usual racist, sexist etc etc comments piled up. It's annoying if you have an real interest in the topic at hand, apart from that it's amusing to a point. At this stage I don't expect any different. Why raise your standards when it's easier just to lower your expectations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    You must share an appartment with Spurious - it's a sympathy period:(


    Seriously tho - it's AH - I have yet to see any thread without the usual racist, sexist etc etc comments piled up. It's annoying if you have an real interest in the topic at hand, apart from that it's amusing to a point. At this stage I don't expect any different. Why raise your standards when it's easier just to lower your expectations?

    Fair point and I get you but there are tongue in cheek jokes, like your own, and then obnoxiously sexist posts which are so ridiculous, they shouldn't be aggravating but they seriously are!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    Millicent wrote: »
    Fair point and I get you but there are tongue in cheek jokes, like your own, and then obnoxiously sexist posts which are so ridiculous, they shouldn't be aggravating but they seriously are!

    Herein lieth the problem - some people actually mean what they type - scary thought really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Girls also do 4 times more exaggerating in surveys, I know because we got asked this stuff in school a couple of years ago and the vast majority of us just lied.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    I'm a girl and I can safely say I never did 4 hours of study at night. What I did was, I paid attention during the day and didn't need to study it again.
    Just refreshed before an exam and used common sense for everything else.

    School from 9 till 3:30pm and homework till 6:30pm is more than enough for anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    I'm a girl and didn't go to school for half of sixth year and only ever did history homework because I fancied my teacher.

    In summary: get hotter teachers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    phasers wrote: »
    Girls also do 4 times more exaggerating in surveys, I know because we got asked this stuff in school a couple of years ago and the vast majority of us just lied.

    If the first part of your post is true then this only happened around six months ago and only a small minority of you lied.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    No, this is not true and quite ignorant in fact. The worst boys will always be worse than the worst girls. But many guys have no intention of acting up or playing around.

    The competition among boys is far greater for other types of things. The leaving cert is kind of lame as a "competition" though, that is why boys don't like it.

    I think the leaving cert is stupid, I wasted many hours on that that I wish I never had. I think the girls in the mixed schools are a lot better adjusted, smarter and without emotional issues.

    I wouldn't call basing my opinion on my own experience ignorant at all. Neither of us has the full facts. I wasn't a particularly bad student but i'd have a pot on my head as quick as the next lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    spurious wrote: »
    Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
    That won't happen. Women do well early on but then drop out.
    In the physical sciences, there are 90 per cent men and 10 per cent women across the board. In biological sciences, there are about the same number of men and women in the beginning. But around their late 20s to early 30s, women begin to drop out to the extent that by the stage of professor, the rate is just as bad for the physical sciences.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jul/01/science.comment


    That's why special grants for women in Science piss me off, you are paying more for less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    spurious wrote: »
    Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

    Have you nothing useful to add?
    Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
    Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
    Or for so many young men to experience failure?

    Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

    What makes you think there are going to be less doctors? Points for it are dropping but its a pretty high baseline, so its something you are going to specifically aim for which would negate the "not studying" argument.

    Most boys I went to school with didn't know what they wanted so didn't bother studying. A pointless exam and hours of time seemed useless to me and others. I can't say my lackluster performance in my LC(245) has impacted my career path in any way. I would probably be in a much worse job and would not have had the money or time to actually become interested in something and end up in a job/career I enjoy if I had stayed in the number of college courses I tried. Plus the wealth of experience I have acquired from working in a number of sectors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    The leaving cert suits people who study like **** - not genuinely clever people who have high IQs but are just that wee bit on the lazy side - I know from my own school that there's several lads who are smart ****ers but studying isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world for them so there going to be beaten by the averagely clever girls who spent 4 times as long studying as them...

    lads just aren't suited to sitting down and studying stuff and reciting it back in an exam - there more suited to actually understanding stuff I think

    I don't think it's any coincident that most of the leading figures in nearly every way of life are men - men just don't do well when it comes to studying and the average results of the clever lads are brought down by the complete usless eijits who don't care about the leaving at all because there going to work on the building sites as soon as the leavin is over - there's no girls that I know with that attitude really so all girls tend to study that bit harder

    I don't care about those average results because they don't take into account the lads who are only doin the leaving because there auld lad is making them do it before they go for work etc etc...
    if those lads were taken out of the figures it'd be interesting to see what the average results for students who "make an effort" to do well to see would girls out preform lads in that situation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    If the first part of your post is true then this only happened around six months ago and only a small minority of you lied.
    I can't follow your male logic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Co-incidentally, boys do 4 times more fapping than girls.

    The mind boggles ...
    beat me to the beating off reference.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    derfderf wrote: »
    I wouldn't call basing my opinion on my own experience ignorant at all. Neither of us has the full facts. I wasn't a particularly bad student but i'd have a pot on my head as quick as the next lad.

    You were saying that for guys in general. You can't speak for everyone like that, so yes it is ill-informed if you really believe that.

    I know many guys who wouldn't dream of ever doing that. Who would stick their heads in their books and talk far less than girls.

    And it's not funny, just disrespectful to say males, ANY males are going around with pots on their heads for no reason. I can't see the humour in that.

    If there's any sexism here it's predominantly against males with some people not even realising they're doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    The perfect example to help explain what most of the lads on this forum are saying is honours maths!

    Unlike most subjects learning honours maths doesn't consist of learning off pages of notes/quotes/dates/definitions and regurgitating them in exams.

    Maths requires a certain understanding, a reasoning. Males can see this, they see the patterns, they see the curves and slopes. In maths exams the most valuable questions markwise are brand new puzzle like questions which the student has not seen before and must use his understanding to solve. This unpredicable and unpractised question is there to panic and prove the students understanding.

    Many girls I know got +500 but the majority weren't capable of doing the honours maths papers. Many lads i know that did got 400+

    I also find that girls can become more competitive than boys. Boys are more competitive for 60 minute sports or racing or downing pints but not over the long term. The girls are long term dedicators, in fact I would almost call it obsessive, which grows to where a girl would not relax or forgive herself for wasting an evening by not studying.

    This obseesion comes from their yearning to be better than their counterparts, to impress, to be wanted. I would go as far as to prove tha they are infact better than men but unfortunately have to work very hard to do so.

    Most guys do not see it this way, they see it a necessary step not the defining moment of your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    The perfect example to help explain what most of the lads on this forum are saying is honours maths!

    Unlike most subjects learning honours maths doesn't consist of learning off pages of notes/quotes/dates/definitions and regurgitating them in exams.

    Maths requires a certain understanding, a reasoning. Males can see this, they see the patterns, they see the curves and slopes. In maths exams the most valuable questions markwise are brand new puzzle like questions which the student has not seen before and must use his understanding to solve. This unpredicable and unpractised question is there to panic and prove the students understanding.

    Many girls I know got +500 but the majority weren't capable of doing the honours maths papers. Many lads i know that did got 400+

    I also find that girls can become more competitive than boys. Boys are more competitive for 60 minute sports or racing or downing pints but not over the long term. The girls are long term dedicators, in fact I would almost call it obsessive, which grows to where a girl would not relax or forgive herself for wasting an evening by not studying.

    This obseesion comes from their yearning to be better than their counterparts, to impress, to be wanted. I would go as far as to prove tha they are infact better than men but unfortunately have to work very hard to do so.

    Most guys do not see it this way, they see it a necessary step not the defining moment of your life.

    Haven't girls been outdoing boys in Maths in recent years? According to the Irish Times anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    You were saying that for guys in general. You can't speak for everyone like that, so yes it is ill-informed if you really believe that.

    I know many guys who wouldn't dream of ever doing that. Who would stick their heads in their books and talk far less than girls.

    And it's not funny, just disrespectful to say males, ANY males are going around with pots on their heads for no reason. I can't see the humour in that.

    If there's any sexism here it's predominantly against males with some people not even realising they're doing it.

    Can you honestly say you can't see sexism on the other side here at all? Because I really find that hard to believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    Millicent wrote: »
    Haven't girls been outdoing boys in Maths in recent years? According to the Irish Times anyway.

    Well the girls who do stick in there and attempt the honours maths paper do have what it takes and can do aswell if not better than other lads, though they will spent alot more time practising math than than the lads, its their nature.

    While the results are one thing, the amount of boys who sit compared to the girls is almost always swayed largly in the boys direction. And yet girls who can do honours almost every subject are unable to do honours maths.

    Girls unlike boys will not take risks, the maths paper can be random and unpredictable. Hence those that do the paper are confident and therefore do well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet



    They are just like the pets of whoever is making the exams.

    No sexism there whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Well the girls who do stick in there and attempt the honours maths paper do have what it takes and can do aswell if not better than other lads, though they will spent alot more time practising math than than the lads, its their nature.

    While the results are one thing, the amount of boys who sit compared to the girls is almost always swayed largly in the boys direction. And yet girls who can do honours almost every subject are unable to do honours maths.

    Girls unlike boys will not take risks, the maths paper can be random and unpredictable. Hence those that do the paper are confident and therefore do well.

    I think you're straying into very dangerous territory by assigning particular behaviours to either gender. It is not in either gender's "nature" to necessarily perform tasks in a certain way-- such thinking has been proven to be a fallacy in years gone by. Girls are not necessarily risk-adverse either, the ones you know may just weigh up the risks in a similar way.

    I'd need to see statistics to be convinced that more boys do honours maths tbh.

    My thinking on the divide is that perhaps it has more to do with lads being encouraged to do trades, more so than girls are, which do not require high points to get into, just a Leaving Cert. That could explain some of the gender divide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Millicent wrote: »
    Haven't girls been outdoing boys in Maths in recent years? According to the Irish Times anyway.

    The article actually says "In higher maths, 82.1 per cent of girls got honours, while just 2.5 per cent failed. In the same subject, 79.5 per cent of boys got honours, but 4 per cent failed."

    But it doesn't say how many girls did HL maths compared to boys. Statistics fail.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Millicent wrote: »
    Haven't girls been outdoing boys in Maths in recent years? According to the Irish Times anyway.
    That doesn't give the figure of how many girls sat the higher exam. Taking honours maths is pretty risky and it could just be that more men had the guts to do it while only the most confident girls did.

    The Irish Time had the figures for the number of girls who sat the higher maths exam but decided not to publish them, was it because they went against the theme of the article?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    goose2005 wrote: »
    The article actually says "In higher maths, 82.1 per cent of girls got honours, while just 2.5 per cent failed. In the same subject, 79.5 per cent of boys got honours, but 4 per cent failed."

    But it doesn't say how many girls did HL maths compared to boys. Statistics fail.

    How do my statistics fail? If you bothered to read the above post, you would see I was interested in seeing how many of each gender took honours maths. Comprehension fail.


    Unless you're referring to the Irish Times' statistics fail in which case I apologise! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    That doesn't give the figure of how many girls sat the higher exam. Taking honours maths is pretty risky and it could just be that more men had the guts to do it while only the most confident girls did.

    The Irish Time had the figures for the number of girls who sat the higher maths exam but decided not to publish them, was it because they went against the theme of the article?

    Possibly. I have addressed that. I would be curious to see what the actual rates are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Louthdrog


    Sat my leaving cert last year and am just finished my first year in college. Doing a science/maths based course. If i compare my male and female friends to each other, the same trend is noticeable. The girls study themselves into the ground, really put the work in. The lads are a lot more laid back, do the required amount to just get by. As it stands most of my male friends are at home with not a worry in the world while the girls are studying hard for repeats in the morning. Went to an all boys school so cant really comment on the leaving cert. Seems there is something about a girls character that they get more worked up and worried about exams. Proves aswell that there is such a thing as too much study.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    Millicent wrote: »
    I think you're straying into very dangerous territory by assigning particular behaviours to either gender. It is not in either gender's "nature" to necessarily perform tasks in a certain way-- such thinking has been proven to be a fallacy in years gone by. Girls are not necessarily risk-adverse either, the ones you know may just weigh up the risks in a similar way.

    I'd need to see statistics to be convinced that more boys do honours maths tbh.

    My thinking on the divide is that perhaps it has more to do with lads being encouraged to do trades, more so than girls are, which do not require high points to get into, just a Leaving Cert. That could explain some of the gender divide.

    The trade thing is a fair point but i would go as far as to say that the majority boys don't take it as seriously as the majority of girls. Thats not to say they don't take its seriously just not as much as the opposite sex, and there are expections of course.

    And as far as i was aware it's a well known fact that boys are greater risk takers than girls.
    http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/23/1/33.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Millicent wrote: »
    Possibly. I have addressed that. I would be curious to see what the actual rates are.
    http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf

    Female: 3739
    Male: 4681

    The Irish Time article clearly had an agenda of putting women above men, which is seen as completely acceptable but the reverse could see a male journalist fired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Lyra Fangs


    There are far too many sexist comments in this thread, can we not just have a simple discussion without dragging either gender through the mud.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Who cares anyway, it's not like the leaving cert means anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    That doesn't give the figure of how many girls sat the higher exam. Taking honours maths is pretty risky and it could just be that more men had the guts to do it while only the most confident girls did.

    The Irish Time had the figures for the number of girls who sat the higher maths exam but decided not to publish them, was it because they went against the theme of the article?

    True they should have added up those figures. Roughly 18% of males who do maths sit the honours paper while about 15% of females sit it.

    source


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    The trade thing is a fair point but i would go as far as to say that the majority boys don't take it as seriously as the majority of girls. Thats not to say they don't take its seriously just not as much as the opposite sex, and there are expections of course.

    And as far as i was aware it's a well known fact that boys are greater risk takers than girls.
    http:
    //jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/23/1/33.pdf

    Actually, good point on that. A lot of it is apparently (according to that link) down to different socialisation between the genders. I was referring to inherent (innate) behaviour but true, learned behaviour might have an impact. So perhaps girls are being encouraged to worry more about things like exams?

    I have to say though, I've been to five different secondary schools (we moved a lot!), both mixed and single sex, and I have never seen a huge disparity between the studying habits of either gender. There are studious people of both gender but tbh, I think that 4 hour survey statistic is skewed-- I don't know many people who studied that much every night. That has to include homework or else I'm calling shenanigans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf

    Female: 3739
    Male: 4681

    The Irish Time article clearly had an agenda of putting women above men, which is seen as completely acceptable but the reverse could see a male journalist fired.

    I almost thanked this and would have if not for the little dig after. Can we not just discuss the topic without making jibes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Millicent wrote: »
    I almost thanked this and would have if not for the little dig after. Can we not just discuss the topic without making jibes?
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.


    Also I don't care if you thank me.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.


    Also I don't care if you thank me.:D

    You should, my thanks are simply marvellous, dahling! :pac:

    I don't think it's a positive that either gender is doing better. I think it should be a cause for consideration and review, unless (as is entirely possible) the gap isn't actually that giant and is grossly exaggerated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.

    It's clearly not seen as a positive. Also "Boys outperform girls slightly in two Leaving Cert subjects" isn't exactly an eye-catching headline. However the fact that girls outperform boys in every other subject is obviously going to attract attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Crow92


    derfderf wrote: »
    It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
    Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.

    We actually did this in 2nd year during a free class. Except we used a hurling helmet and a hard hat....


    We all got detention.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    It's clearly not seen as a positive. Also "Boys outperform girls slightly in two Leaving Cert subjects" isn't exactly an eye-catching headline. However the fact that girls outperform boys in every other subject is obviously going to attract attention.
    Why make the article biased in either direction?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Why make the article biased in either direction?

    It's an article about the differences in results between males and females:confused: You seem to have a poor understanding of what bias is. The fact that they left out the numbers taking higher maths (note they also did this for all oher subjects) was just shoddy journalism not bias. In fact had they included the percentages of each gender taking honours level in every subject it would have made the male results look even worse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    The Irish Time article clearly had an agenda of putting women above men, which is seen as completely acceptable but the reverse could see a male journalist fired.

    Indeed and that is also seen in soap opera's, sitcoms, adverts etc. In soaps you would see a woman slap a man across the face when angry but the reverse would not tolerated, two dumb men trying to figure out what to call oatabix and the woman steps in with the answer, again the reverse would not be acceptable.

    Both genders doing as well as each other should be the aim, not cheering on one gender as they do better than the other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    It's an article about the differences in results between males and females:confused: You seem to have a poor understanding of what bias is. The fact that they left out the numbers taking higher maths (note they also did this for all oher subjects) was just shoddy journalism not bias. In fact had they included the percentages of each gender taking honours level in every subject it would have made the male results look even worse.
    No they didn't
    A far greater number of boys sat applied maths than girls; 792 candidates compared with 249 girls at higher level and 59 compared with 22 at ordinary level. It was one of the few subjects where boys outperformed girls scoring honours in 78.5 per cent of cases compared with 76.3 per cent for girls.
    Notice how the only time they did include the total figures was when it showed a negative against boys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭The Agogo


    And if this WERE the case, then why not try to push males into female-oriented fields just as much?

    Yeah! You don't see many women in coalmining or hard labour.

    But of course no feminist would complain about that.


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