Girls doing 4 times as much study as boys.

Bottle_of_Smoke

with girls spending an average of four hours or more per night on homework

sounds like girls more likely to lie in surveys to me

pickarooney

Four hours study a night for the leaving cert? You'd really want to be a bit slow on the uptake to need that.

RobbieTheRobber

gowayuwilya wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything? Way more female teachers btw

More male role models within the education system might be of benefit.

Earthhorse

The_Minister wrote: »

Children don't magically sit down and start studying...

You mean...you mean the Harry Potter films are a lie?!? :eek:

Mr Cawley

They could've waited 2 days to inculde the results of leaving cert for the aforementioned 900 and see how the hours spent were reflected in the results.

In the words of one student:

'Sir, sure they don't have any football to be playin'

clarke1991

Classes need to be more interesting for lads to pay attention. Heard theat somewhere, where as girls will just keep quiet and listen.

I did the LC 2 years ago, didn't do great by any means:o! I for one just can't pay attention if I'm not genuinely interested in something! Classes were too boring, after school study was too boring.

I would walk out of the school at 7 in the evening and confidently say that I picked up nothing during the whole day:eek:!

It needs to be changed, thats my opinion:mad:!

The Agogo

i love my "don't worry, it will all work out in the end" mentality.

LC was no match for me then

SuperInfinity

derfderf wrote: »

It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.

No, this is not true and quite ignorant in fact. The worst boys will always be worse than the worst girls. But many guys have no intention of acting up or playing around.

The competition among boys is far greater for other types of things. The leaving cert is kind of lame as a "competition" though, that is why boys don't like it.

I think the leaving cert is stupid, I wasted many hours on that that I wish I never had. I think the girls in the mixed schools are a lot better adjusted, smarter and without emotional issues.

SugarHigh

The whole education system is geared against boys. In 13 years of education I only had 4 male teachers.

Boys aren't being allowed to play properly at break time with all these health and safety rules so they are full of energy and aggression in class which hinders their ability to concentrate.

Dyr

gowayuwilya wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything? Way more female teachers btw

That's got to do with it.

I went to an all boys school up until the inter cert and the female teachers we had were hopeless with us. I then went to a mixed school for the leaving cert and found that while most of the female teachers were still hopeless with boys they had much better results with girls. If our education system is run by the wimmens I'm not suprised that boys are suffering

SuperInfinity

SugarHigh wrote: »

The whole education system is geared against boys. In 13 years of education I only had 4 male teachers.

Boys aren't being allowed to play properly at break time with all these health and safety rules so they are full of energy and aggression in class which hinders their ability to concentrate.

Yeah, I used to love playing soccer at break-time in primary school, that was the best, so much exercise and stimulation. In secondary school it was more like: "time to move from sitting down in the classroom to sitting down at the lunch table and thinking of something stupid to talk about".

Tar.Aldarion

Dunno, some of us care less. I couldn't have given a **** about studying in secondary and never did really, did homework, that's enough. It's college that matters for studying more. Do girls outperform boys there too? Gimme stats dammit.

SugarHigh

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Dunno, some of us care less. I couldn't have given a **** about studying in secondary and never did really, did homework, that's enough. It's college that matters for studying more. Do girls outperform boys there too? Gimme stats dammit.

Yea but less women than boys perform well in there career and it's usually a lot shorter. That's why gearing the education system towards women is so ****ing stupid.


If girls are doing worse than boys then it's seen as problem that needs to be fixed but not when it's the other way around. There are a **** ton of grants available to women simply because they are women yet that's not seen as sexist.

az2wp0sye65487

clarke1991 wrote: »

Classes need to be more interesting for lads to pay attention. Heard theat somewhere, where as girls will just keep quiet and listen.

I did the LC 2 years ago, didn't do great by any means:o! I for one just can't pay attention if I'm not genuinely interested in something! Classes were too boring, after school study was too boring.

I would walk out of the school at 7 in the evening and confidently say that I picked up nothing during the whole day:eek:!

It needs to be changed, thats my opinion:mad:!

:eek::eek::eek:

mloc

The problem is the Leaving Cert itself; lacking in function, correlates poorly with performance in college, rarely do subject choices in the LC matter for college entry.

It's crap.

College entry should be based on a range of criteria, not just a bunch of passive learning exams.

SuperInfinity

SugarHigh wrote: »

Yea but less women than boys perform well in there career and it's usually a lot shorter. That's why gearing the education system towards women is so ****ing stupid.


If girls are doing worse than boys then it's seen as problem that needs to be fixed but not when it's the other way around. There are a **** ton of grants available to women simply because they are women yet that's not seen as sexist.

How right you are SugarHigh. There is such a push towards getting women interested in science and mathematics, they even give girls special grants to try to incentivize them into doing it.

I lately saw some horse**** about girls adding to the fields of science and mathematics by their presence, like to offer a more "balanced" and diversified part of it that the males wouldn't offer. Like offering a scientific reasoning or basis behind it instead of OBVIOUS discrimination against males. It would be more like the males would bother less with their work or be distracted. And if this WERE the case, then why not try to push males into female-oriented fields just as much?

No, many of these people are so stupid that it is hard for me to imagine how they actually function as people, how they get up in the morning and tie their shoelaces etc. They're fools.

fakearms123

Yet the smartest people throughout history and up to present time are men... EPIC FAIL!

Tar.Aldarion

fakearms123 wrote: »

Yet the smartest people throughout history and up to present time are men... EPIC FAIL!

Women were never given the chance. Despite your emboldened text...

spurious

SugarHigh wrote: »

If girls are doing worse than boys then it's seen as problem that needs to be fixed but not when it's the other way around.

That's not true.

This is an issue which has been known about and has concerned the SEC/DES for years.

The gap is less wide, by the way, in examinations which have a project or continuous assessment element. Boys seem to do better with short-term manageable tasks rather than one long term goal. Boys also do better with girls in their classes, while girls do better alone.

fakearms123

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Women were never given the chance. Despite your emboldened text...

In the next 50 years there will still be a majority of men owning women in every sector, example: girl in my class studies like a race horse on crack all day and I studied a good bit myself but nowhere near her, she would go to the library till 11 o clock at night, she would even skip meals to study, she ends up getting less marks than me and do ye know what!?

I walked over to her while she was crying over her results, kicked her in the ovaries till she bled from her gash and said "get yourself together kid!"

SuperInfinity

fakearms123 wrote: »

In the next 50 years there will still be a majority of men owning women in every sector, example: girl in my class studies like a race horse on crack all day and I studied a good bit myself but nowhere near her, she would go to the library till 11 o clock at night, she would even skip meals to study, she ends up getting less marks than me and do ye know what!?

I walked over to her while she was crying over her results, kicked her in the ovaries till she bled from her gash and said "get yourself together kid!"

Yeah exactly (although you could probably have done without the images of bleeding ovaries). :rolleyes:

They are just like the pets of whoever is making the exams. "because the teacher said it was good to study hard", and just memorize everything. Boys have a better understanding of it overall.

Girls have poor opinions of guys that are "nerdy", or "hardcore" into something and think that's sad, when they themselves get so flipping obsessed with something as stupid as doing well in an exam.

They say males are so obsessed with beating each other and that sports are so stupid, and then they themselves throw themselves headfirst into the most unfair competitions of all known as the leaving cert, that depends on little more than having a good memory and suiciding the best time of your life away studying.

opinion guy

To be honest I think:

a) boys tend to play more sports

b) boys lie about how much study they do. As in they say the do less than they do. They try to be cool and act like they're to tough to study since its not seen as 'manly' the same way being good at sports are. In my school all the lads who got 500+ points said they did no study. They were all lying. This i know cause none of them were actually that smart they could do that well with no study.

c) girls tend to get more stressed about exams.


These are my memories at least.

Superbus

Aviana Flabby AcrossL wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

Night study. Optional in my school, but those who do it aren't out till 9:30.
So 7 isn't that outrageous really.

mickydoomsux

Back in my secondary school days the 'smart' girls really only had photographic memories and very little understanding of what they were actually learning. They could regurgitate reams of information from text books but if you tried to talk to them about a topic or get them to think about it at all then they didn't have a clue.

The smarter guys did very little 'study' and were just better able to grasp concepts and expand upon them.

Shame the Leaving Cert is basically just a test of memory for the most part.

seamus

opinion guy wrote: »

c) girls tend to get more stressed about exams.

Girls in general tend to worry more about the "what ifs", whereas men tend to have a "come what may" attitude. Or men are more likely to bury their head in the sand.

Either way, the results that half of girls claim to be excessively stressed about the LC, but only 30% of boys lay the same claim gives an indicator as to why girls study 4 times more than men do. They care more about it, basically.

opinion guy

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The smarter guys did very little 'study' and were just better able to grasp concepts and expand upon them.

I disagree. The 'smart' guys pretended not to study so as not to appear nerds.

Of course the really smart people figured out how to work the exams system. These day parents pay leeson street to do that for them. Heaven forbid little johnny had to actually use his brain.

Shame the Leaving Cert is basically just a test of memory for the most part.

Yeah its bollocks really. But at least its equitable bollocks

spurious

Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

Have you nothing useful to add?
Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
Or for so many young men to experience failure?

Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

Banned Account

spurious wrote: »

Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

Have you nothing useful to add?
Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
Or for so many young men to experience failure?

Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

Are you on the blob?

Millicent

spurious wrote: »

Why is it when there is any sort of attempt here at a discussion of gender differences like this, or the 'dangerous' young male driver discussion, or the disgracefully high level of young male suicide in this country, it ends up with guys slagging women off, usually throwing in a few mentions of periods or blood rather than addressing the issue?

Have you nothing useful to add?
Do you not worry that so many of your gender are not coping with the main selction process for university and with education in general?
Do you not think it might not be such a good thing for a large majority of doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. in the future to be women?
Or for so many young men to experience failure?

Again a major FAIL thread in AH.(shakes head)

Yeah, seriously. There are some amount of ridiculously sexist posts in here.

Banned Account

Millicent wrote: »

Yeah, seriously. There are some amount of ridiculously sexist posts in here.

You must share an appartment with Spurious - it's a sympathy period:(


Seriously tho - it's AH - I have yet to see any thread without the usual racist, sexist etc etc comments piled up. It's annoying if you have an real interest in the topic at hand, apart from that it's amusing to a point. At this stage I don't expect any different. Why raise your standards when it's easier just to lower your expectations?