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IDF Creating Mind Controlled Pschyopaths? - CONTAINS DISTURBING IMAGES!

  • 17-08-2010 1:54pm
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    In the news today.
    Jerusalem (CNN) -- A former Israeli soldier has posted photos of herself on Facebook posing in front of blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, prompting harsh reactions.
    The former soldier, identified online as "Eden from Ashdod" in Israel, is seen smiling sitting on a blast barrier next to a blindfolded man. In another picture she is sitting in front of three blindfolded Palestinians, one with his hands tied in front of him.
    The photos have since been taken down from her Facebook site, but Israeli media reports the photos were labeled "IDF -- best time of my life."
    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/08/16/israel.soldier.scandal/index.html?hpt=T2#fbid=fVVxKafHi-h&wom=false
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    IDF soliders don't even suffer from PTSD after they have attacked civilians.
    Today’s Israeli National News Service quoted a study on PTSD from BaMachaneh, the Israeli version of Stars and Stripes stating that IDF soldiers don’t get PTSD due to combat, making them vastly superior to their American counterparts. The IDF study cites that up to 30% of American veterans and active duty alike, suffer flashbacks, outbursts of anger and a host of other symptoms which do not plague Jews who are subjected to similar combat circumstances
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/24/gordon-duff-israel-claims-no-ptsd-in-idf-jews-immune-to-mental-illness/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    They don't suffer from it as they believe what they're doing is their duty.
    They're brain washed from a young age.I noticed in the second photo the poor young fella seems like her little pet project,she looks at him with her head raised up like she's royalty and he's a just another piece of filth.

    To answer your question, these kids are most definitely brainwashed psychopaths, especially when it comes to Palestinians.She actually beleives she did nothing wrong.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes



    You did notice that the entire article refutes the assumption that the don't suffer PTSD, didn't you?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,353 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Manchurian Candidates are myth better left for the silver screen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    After reading the article in full it seems what they're getting at is they don't suffer from it because they're not in they're same types of situations as the americans are.Also morally the isrealis believe what they are doing is their right or duty under god.Judaism is a faith based on race, ethnicity and nationalism,sounds pretty dam racist to me.

    Blue lagoon is this below true?
    Unlike military personnel, insurgents or terrorists from Israel or remote areas of Afghanistan, American soldiers a barrage of conflicting ideas, especially when free of the highly edited “mothering” of Uncle Sam. While Israel has a tradition of valuing her troops, Americans have had mixed views of those protecting them, quick to blame troops when wars don’t go well or cost too much, quick to abandon POW’s, “John McCain style” at the end of each war and quick to shun combat vets as “damaged goods” as soon as the fighting is over.
    Israel doesn’t do this.
    Israeli’s returning from service, though Israel has never fought a protracted conflict, have, not only job guarantees and full socialized medicine but extensive subsidy for education, housing and subsistence for life, even without disability or even wartime service at all. The United States pays this for Israeli troops but won’t pay this for their own, American soldiers, some of whom have spent 4 or more years deployed.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    You did notice that the entire article refutes the assumption that the don't suffer PTSD, didn't you?

    Hahhhhh

    Yes but on much lower levels than expected. What I take from that is that they have more pschyopathic tendencies.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    In the face of Isreali denials that this nazi-like behaviour is typical a human rights group Breaking The Silence
    Breaking the Silence is an organization of veteran Israeli soldiers that collects testimonies of soldiers who served in the Occupied Territories during the Second Intifadah. Soldiers who serve in the Territories are witness to, and participate in military actions which change them immensely. Cases of abuse towards Palestinians, looting, and destruction of property have been the norm for years, but are still excused as military necessities, or explained as extreme and unique cases.

    Our testimonies portray a different and grim picture of questionable orders in many areas regardind Palestinian civilians. These demonstrate the depth of corruption which is spreading in the Israeli military. While this reality which is known to Israeli soldiers and commanders exists in Israel's back yard, Israeli society continues to turn a blind eye, and to deny that which happens in its name.

    Discharged soldiers who return to civilian life discover the gap between the reality which they encountered in the Territories , and the silence which they encounter at home. In order to become a civilian again, soldiers are forced to ignore their past experiences. Breaking the Silence voices the experiences of those soldiers, in order to force Israeli society to address the reality which it created.
    http://www.shovrimshtika.org/about_e.asp

    Have setup a Facebook account showing the pschyothic, Nazi behaviour of other IDF soliders on duty.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I think their resistance to Post traumatic stress syndrome or whatever it was is not due to being Jewish as such.but maybe more the conditioning that goes into certain religions,army preperation and so on.
    Soldiers are made imo.Israeli soldiers are some of the best in the world at many things.
    Their hand to hand combat from what i hear is one of the most renowned for self defense and killing.Maybe its the same with mental conditioning.
    About the pictures,the americans do this also.Im sure its happened in other wars too.
    Its part of the conditioning i believe that creates this type of comraderie.
    If you believe something or someone is evil or against you its much easier to embrace and join in celebration when defeating a supposed negative target.
    So ye i think they are creating psychopaths but that is war when it shows its face.
    You must kill people before you can judge their worth(they are not a person but an object).Or they maybe judge them like an upsetting image in the opposite mirror.Another soldier/fighter on the other side.
    Thats kind of why i think killing others on that level is a form of self hate and kind of side along the lines of Kymatica not because it makes scientific sense the whole documentary but the spirit of what they say is pretty much how i intuitively feel about all this stuff going on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Hahhhhh

    Yes but on much lower levels than expected. What I take from that is that they have more pschyopathic tendencies.

    So you didn't read the article which pointed out that American Vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from more combat stress for prolonged periods of time, so there is really no comparison.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    So you didn't read the article which pointed out that American Vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from more combat stress for prolonged periods of time, so there is really no comparison.
    Please don't dodge this question.

    IDF soliders in the photos above displaying pschyopathic behaviour or not in your opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Brown Bomber, just so you know, I edited the title to let people know there's some disturbing images. Don't want to upset anyone.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Please don't dodge this question.

    IDF soliders in the photos above displaying pschyopathic behaviour or not in your opinion?

    Well seeing as I'm not a psychologist, and even if I was I don't think I could make a diagnosis of someone being a psychopath, from a photo. I dont know.


    There's nothing there as bad as say from Abu Grab. Do you suppose Lynndie England is a psychopath?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Well seeing as I'm not a psychologist, and even if I was I don't think I could make a diagnosis of someone being a psychopath, from a photo. I dont know.


    There's nothing there as bad as say from Abu Grab. Do you suppose Lynndie England is a psychopath?

    So question dodged then. :eek: I'm Shocked.

    Didn't ask you if you were a pschyologist or to make a diagnosis. I asked for your own opinion, I assume you have one. Here is a definition:
    Noun

    psychopath (plural psychopaths)
    1. A person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, cunning, manipulating, glibness, exploiting, heedlessness, arrogance, delusions of grandeur, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, disregard for morality, lack of acceptance of responsibility, callousness, and lack of empathy and remorse. Such an individual may be especially prone to violent and criminal offenses.
    2. A person diagnosed with antisocial or dissocial personality disorder.
    3. A person who has no moral conscience.
    4. A person who perpetrates especially gruesome or bizarre violent acts.

    And yet you don't know if this definition corresponds to the acts below

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭Joshua Jones


    Di0genes wrote: »
    There's nothing there as bad as say from Abu Grab. Do you suppose Lynndie England is a psychopath?

    Are you for real? The abu Grab photos showed people who were ALIVE ffs. They posing over dead bodies in the pics above. THEY@RE CELEBRATING KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    And again. Is lynndie_england.jpg woman a psychopath?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Torakx wrote: »
    I think their resistance to Post traumatic stress syndrome or whatever it was is not due to being Jewish as such.but maybe more the conditioning that goes into certain religions,army preperation and so on.
    Soldiers are made imo.Israeli soldiers are some of the best in the world at many things.
    Their hand to hand combat from what i hear is one of the most renowned for self defense and killing.Maybe its the same with mental conditioning.
    About the pictures,the americans do this also.Im sure its happened in other wars too.
    Its part of the conditioning i believe that creates this type of comraderie.
    If you believe something or someone is evil or against you its much easier to embrace and join in celebration when defeating a supposed negative target.
    So ye i think they are creating psychopaths but that is war when it shows its face.
    You must kill people before you can judge their worth(they are not a person but an object).Or they maybe judge them like an upsetting image in the opposite mirror.Another soldier/fighter on the other side.
    Thats kind of why i think killing others on that level is a form of self hate and kind of side along the lines of Kymatica not because it makes scientific sense the whole documentary but the spirit of what they say is pretty much how i intuitively feel about all this stuff going on.

    Very Interesting. That is pretty much my take on it too. Well, except Israeli soliders being the best at certain things. Other than attacking civilians and killing Palestinian schoolchildren with sniper rifles. They haven't seen any active service since the 70's. I mean you seen the mess the IDF "elite" commandos made when they massacred those innocent civilians on the Mavi Marmara. An unarmed Ken O'Keefe tackled and disarmed a commando and when he was taken to be given medical aid below deck by the IHH he started crying.

    I think some of it has to do with projectionism. No matter how indoctrinated they are by Zionist propoganda and supremacist Rabbis deep down they must know that Israel is a terrorist state. That is why all arabs are terrorists in the eyes of the Zionist and deserve to be humiliated in the most inhumane and dehumanising ways imaginable and killed if possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Di0genes wrote: »
    And again. Is lynndie_england.jpg woman a psychopath?


    Yes! going by the definition above I would say yes, but we're not talking about Abu here. Anybody, soldier or not that gets kicks out of sh1t like this ought to be thought of as a Psychopath, would you agree?

    Answer the question and stop dodging as usual.

    Israeli's are taught from birth that non jew's are not people, therefore they don't need to be thought of as people, especially the non jews, (barely)living close by who want their land back, they are thought of as one might think about a pestering fly, annoying you and landing near your dinner plate, splat it's gone......

    Weak mind's can be easily led astray, and think what their told to think, no questions asked.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Y
    Israeli's are taught from birth that non jew's are not people, therefore they don't need to be thought of as people, especially the non jews,


    Um seriously source? No. Seriously source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Other than attacking civilians and killing Palestinian schoolchildren with sniper rifles. They haven't seen any active service since the 70's.

    That's true - as long as you ignore the '82 Lebanon invasion (and 8 years of occupation), the '93 Lebanese conflict, the '96 Lebanese base attacks, and the 2006 Lebanese invasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Are you for real? The abu Grab photos showed people who were ALIVE ffs. They posing over dead bodies in the pics above. THEY@RE CELEBRATING KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    I think some of it has to do with projectionism. No matter how indoctrinated they are by Zionist propoganda and supremacist Rabbis deep down they must know that Israel is a terrorist state. That is why all arabs are terrorists in the eyes of the Zionist and deserve to be humiliated in the most inhumane and dehumanising ways imaginable and killed if possible.


    Yes this has everything to do with projecting. Your projecting of your own racism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Thats kind of irrelevant imo to the main issues.
    All these acts are extremely negative and sureal to me.
    Thats why i asked about the religion maybe being a reason why they MIGHT have less of a bad reaction after events like this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Torakx wrote: »
    Thats kind of irrelevant imo to the main issues.
    All these acts are extremely negative and sureal to me.
    Thats why i asked about the religion maybe being a reason why they MIGHT have less of a bad reaction after events like this.


    Yes lets blame the jewish faith for all this. Lets forget about the fact that extremist muslims offer financial benefits to the surviving families of suicide bombers, and offer paradise to the bombers themselves. You really think soldiers who's friends and family can be blown up in by a suicide bomber in a pizzeria or on a bus, is going to sympathise with their "enemy"?

    I'm not some ra ra cheerleader for Likud, but the level of debate here is pretty much jews bad, enemy of jews good.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    One also wonders about how the author of this thread feels about the treatment of Brian Keenan or John McCartney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    I'm the last person to defend many Israeli actions. But I don't think I'm the only one who's tired of your painting of pretty much all Jews as somehow evil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Um seriously source? No. Seriously source.

    Whilst I'm in no way anti jewish what uprising says is true to an extent.
    It's pretty much to duty of any member of any religion, judaism included to convert non believers and to shun (in some cases justify killing) those who will not convert. It's true of Christianity, Islam, you name the religion.

    I feel I should qualify the above with a reminder that the Jews are not a race but members of a religion. There are many differing ethnic groups which are part of the Jewish community, commonly Jews are miss indentified as Semites, when that term clearly refers to all manners of peoples of arabic origin.

    As for Isreal, thats a completely different issue altogether.
    Isreal is a state of Zionists, you don not have to be Jewish to qualify as a Zionist and many Jews are openly opposed to Zionism.
    Feels like I'm threading old ground.

    As for the true context of the thread, I believe that soldiers that behave in this way are showing signs of phychotic tendancies at least.
    It's self evident that the military relies on rudimentary mind control techniques to control its personnel, soldiers do what they're told, they follow orders.
    It's not a natural thing to kill people and perhaps this behaviour is a manifestation of their inability to deal with the trauma caused by killing people for a living.
    I can only imagine what horrors we could have witnessed in past wars had we only possessed the technology to record it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Yes this has everything to do with projecting. Your projecting of your own racism.

    If you're going to accuse somebody of something as serious as racism it would a good idea to do your homework first.
    Zionism doesn't equal Jewish. Jewish doesn't equal a race of people.
    If you're going to accuse him of discriminating against Jewish people I believe the term you're looking for is xenophobia.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    One also wonders about how the author of this thread feels about the treatment of Brian Keenan or John McCartney.

    One wonders what that has to do with the topic at hand.
    I don't believe for one minute that anyone here is stupid enough to be outraged at one brand of dispicable beahviour and not at the other.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    So question dodged then. :eek: I'm Shocked.

    Didn't ask you if you were a pschyologist or to make a diagnosis. I asked for your own opinion, I assume you have one. Here is a definition:



    And yet you don't know if this definition corresponds to the acts below

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    My God that is one shocking photo. Look at the big "hard" "men" of the IDF standing over that poor young girl that is a disgrace, they are a disgrace one of them has the end of his gun pointing at her neck. IDF Filth, bunch of fcking pussies behind it all, great at shooting women and children and hiding behind American supplied apaches & F16'S, and they call themselves men, yeah there real "hard".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    WakeUp wrote: »
    My God that is one shocking photo. Look at the big "hard" "men" of the IDF standing over that poor young girl that is a disgrace, they are a disgrace one of them has the end of his gun pointing at her neck. IDF Filth, bunch of fcking pussies behind it all, great at shooting women and children and hiding behind American supplied apaches & F16'S, and they call themselves men, yeah there real "hard".
    what i wouldnt do to meet one of these lads in cork city on a night out on the lash, i'd beat the sh!t of of him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    nullzero wrote: »
    If you're going to accuse somebody of something as serious as racism it would a good idea to do your homework first.
    Zionism doesn't equal Jewish. Jewish doesn't equal a race of people.
    If you're going to accuse him of discriminating against Jewish people I believe the term you're looking for is xenophobia.

    Most of the threads he starts are anti-Jewish. Every man, woman and child Jewish person on the planet must be involved given the scope of the conspiracy. Call it racism or xenophobia, I'm not fussy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    meglome wrote: »
    Most of the threads he starts are anti-Jewish. Every man, woman and child Jewish person on the planet must be involved given the scope of the conspiracy. Call it racism or xenophobia, I'm not fussy.

    Does it outrage you?
    Call the ADL.

    You can't go around accusing people of being racists based on nothing but opinion.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    meglome wrote: »
    Most of the threads he starts are anti-Jewish. Every man, woman and child Jewish person on the planet must be involved given the scope of the conspiracy. Call it racism or xenophobia, I'm not fussy.

    This thread is about the IDF which is the standing army of Israel lets get the facts strait here meglome that is what this thread is about. It isnt about being "jewish" or being anti- "jewish", the thread is about the IDF not about the civilians in Israel or their faith or what they believe in, dont believe in, whatever..this thread is about the IDF, Israels army.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    nullzero wrote: »
    Does it outrage you?
    Call the ADL.

    Outraged? Nope. However it's not a very nice thing to see in people.
    nullzero wrote: »
    You can't go around accusing people of being racists based on nothing but opinion.

    Well I can't say for sure what motivates him however a large percentage of the threads he's involved in point some finger at 'The Jews'. It's all here on boards.ie for all to see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    WakeUp wrote: »
    This thread is about the IDF which is the standing army of Israel lets get the facts strait here meglome that is what this thread is about. It isnt about being "jewish" or being anti- "jewish", the thread is about the IDF not about the civilians in Israel or their faith or what they believe in, dont believe in, whatever..this thread is about the IDF, Israels army.

    Well said.
    I remember discussing similar topics on another site, the debate got onto the difference between Zionism and the Jewish faith.
    I ended up being called a holocaust denier by one of the site admins who later deleted the entire thread because of the backlash against him.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    It's not who you are, it's what you do.As was pointed out your trying to deflect away from the topic.
    Just so happens that isrealis are drafted into the army in isreal and they then go on to enforce an apartheid regime hell bent on exterminating Palestinians.If you call people racist for calling it like it is,I'd say you already lost the argument just there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    meglome wrote: »
    Outraged? Nope. However it's not a very nice thing to see in people.

    Certainly not. Discrimination of any type is abhorant.
    Nor is is pleasant to see the ease with which people point an accussing finger.
    Surely you'd concur with that observation also.

    Glazers Out!



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    This thread is about the IDF which is the standing army of Israel lets get the facts strait here meglome that is what this thread is about. It isnt about being "jewish" or being anti- "jewish", the thread is about the IDF not about the civilians in Israel

    Military service is pretty much mandatory for all Israelis. So suggesting that IDF service makes you psychotic is suggesting most Israelis are psychotic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    digme wrote: »
    It's not who you are, it's what you do.As was pointed out your trying to deflect away from the topic.
    Just so happens that isrealis are drafted into the army in isreal and they then go on to enforce an apartheid regime hell bent on exterminating Palestinians.If you call people racist for calling it like it is,I'd say you already lost the argument just there.

    Sorry not trying to deflect from the topic. I think these pictures are disgusting and these soldiers should be in a court of law. However I fail to see how these Jewish soldier are better or worse than any from many other army's over the years. The difference as far as i can tell from the posts is they are Jewish and nothing else. I dunno it seems xenophobic.
    nullzero wrote: »
    Certainly not. Discrimination of any type is abhorant.
    Nor is is pleasant to see the ease with which people point an accussing finger.
    Surely you'd concur with that observation also.

    You missed the other bit of my post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Military service is pretty much mandatory for all Israelis. So suggesting that IDF service makes you psychotic is suggesting most Israelis are psychotic.

    Show me where I suggested that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    meglome wrote: »
    Sorry not trying to deflect from the topic. I think these pictures are disgusting and these soldiers should be in a court of law. However I fail to see how these Jewish soldier are better or worse than any from many other army's over the years. The difference as far as i can tell from the posts is they are Jewish and nothing else. I dunno it seems xenophobic.
    Why can't you see that they think what they are doing is some god given right,just like the Christian crusaders.Do you not see that at all here? They think they're doing nothing wrong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Military service is pretty much mandatory for all Israelis. So suggesting that IDF service makes you psychotic is suggesting most Israelis are psychotic.

    Thats a leap if ever I saw one.
    I would assume that those predisposed to displaying this disturbing behaviour would not possess the mental fortitude to cope with the experiences they would encounter whilst on service. Resulting in these awful images we have seen.
    I don't think anybody is saying that it is the policy of the Isreali goverment to turn out psychotic people such as this, but perhaps they should re-evaluate their practices in the light of the evidence presented.

    Glazers Out!



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Show me where I suggested that?


    Jesus wept. The author of this thread and others suggested that the IDF was creating mind controlled psychopaths. You're the one who said, "Woa woa woa, this isn't an anti Israeli thread, it's an anti IDF thread" I merely pointed out that being Israeli means that you're likely to have served in the IDF.

    Do you need this spelled out with crayons?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    digme wrote: »
    Why can't you see that they think what they are doing is some god given right,just like the Christian crusaders.Do you not see that at all here? They think they're doing nothing wrong.

    I don't know what their motivations were, war puts weird stresses on people and they do sometimes uncharacteristic things. But as I say I don't know these people so I have no idea, a court should decide what crimes, if any, they committed (but as i said the pictures are disgusting).

    We do appear to be calling then psychotic only because they are Jewish. What would you call that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    meglome wrote: »
    You missed the other bit of my post.

    To be fair that part of your post was edited in after I had quoted the rest of it. I can hardly be chastised for not reading something that wasn't there can I?

    I don't think that this thread is an attack on "the Jews". If that is how it was intended you can bet I have a problem with it, but on its merits that doesn't seem to be the case, which would mean that you are deflecting from the topic at hand to a degree.

    I would suggest that if you feel that another user is dispalying xenophobic or racist tendancies that you report it to a moderator or admin along with hard evidence, otherwise you're just mud slinging.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Jesus wept. The author of this thread and others suggested that the IDF was creating mind controlled psychopaths. You're the one who said, "Woa woa woa, this isn't an anti Israeli thread, it's an anti IDF thread" I merely pointed out that being Israeli means that you're likely to have served in the IDF.

    Do you need this spelled out with crayons?

    What point are you trying to make here?
    You're making giant leaps from fact to opinion and you feel you can make smart comments about people needing to have things "spelled out in crayons".
    This is coming back to the issue of respect.
    No one's being nasty to you, even though you're wrong in what you're saying.
    Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, and throw in a bit of insight along with your opinions.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    meglome wrote: »
    We do appear to be calling then psychotic only because they are Jewish. What would you call that?

    Where was that even mentioned?
    Provide links in case I missed it.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Jesus wept. The author of this thread and others suggested that the IDF was creating mind controlled psychopaths. You're the one who said, "Woa woa woa, this isn't an anti Israeli thread, it's an anti IDF thread" I merely pointed out that being Israeli means that you're likely to have served in the IDF.

    Do you need this spelled out with crayons?

    :DGoodman. You are the one that needs things spelled out Diogenes I've no time for your snotty attitude stop at the shop will you. You merely tried to slyly insinuate that I said all Israelis are pyschos which I didnt, I then pointed this out to you, asked you to back up your comment which you couldnt, instead you replied to me with the above rabble which isnt a first nothing new there. Stop turning this thread into something it isnt, maybe OP should change the title of the thread to "current" members of the IDF which would clear up any issues with regard to who we are speaking off, I'll send him a pm and clear that up for you just so we are upfront about things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    nullzero wrote: »
    Where was that even mentioned?
    Provide links in case I missed it.

    The question has been asked at least twice why are these people psychotic and all the other Army's which have done similar things not psychotic? I think it's sick to take these sorts of pictures however I'm not naive enough to think that war doesn't mess people up. I've been all over the world and I've found people to be basically the same. So as far as i can see the only reason for the psychotic label is they are Jews.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    :DGoodman. You are the one that needs things spelled out Diogenes I've no time for your snotty attitude stop at the shop will you. You merely tried to slyly insinuate that I said all Israelis are pyschos which I didnt,

    No I didn't you tried to claim this was just about the IDF and not Israelis in general. I pointed out that for the most part Israelis are members of the IDF.
    I then pointed this out to you, asked you to back up your comment which you couldnt, instead you replied to me with the above rabble which isnt a first nothing new there.

    I'd really try and get off the high horse, you need riding lessons
    Stop turning this thread into something it isnt, maybe OP should change the title of the thread to "current" members of the IDF which would clear up any issues with regard to who we are speaking off, I'll send him a pm and clear that up for you just so we are upfront about things.


    Yeah see you don't seem aware of BB's obvious anti Semitic slant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    meglome wrote: »
    The question has been asked at least twice why are these people psychotic and all the other Army's which have done similar things not psychotic? I think it's sick to take these sorts of pictures however I'm not naive enough to think that war doesn't mess people up. I've been all over the world and I've found people to be basically the same. So as far as i can see the only reason for the psychotic label is they are Jews.

    Just as I thought, you have no evidence at all, just opinion.
    As far as you can see it's all down to them being Jews eh?
    That's just your opinion.

    You're making accusations about somebody, serious ones at that and you can't back them up with hard evidence so we're supposed to accept your opinion as hard currency?
    For someone who demands evidence so readily themselves surely this is nothing more than an exercise in defining hypocrisy.

    Glazers Out!



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