IDF Creating Mind Controlled Pschyopaths? - CONTAINS DISTURBING IMAGES!

WakeUp

Di0genes wrote: »

Jesus wept. The author of this thread and others suggested that the IDF was creating mind controlled psychopaths. You're the one who said, "Woa woa woa, this isn't an anti Israeli thread, it's an anti IDF thread" I merely pointed out that being Israeli means that you're likely to have served in the IDF.

Do you need this spelled out with crayons?

Also, go show me where I said this was an anti-IDF thread, you wont be able to btw. There you go again making assumptions jumping to conclusions..do you need glasses?

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

No I didn't you tried to claim this was just about the IDF and not Israelis in general. I pointed out that for the most part Israelis are members of the IDF.



I'd really try and get off the high horse, you need riding lessons




Yeah see you don't seem aware of BB's obvious anti Semitic slant.

Just keep digging.
You pointed out that a lot of people in Isreal are at some point bound so serve in the military.
That doesn't bridge the gap to somebody saying that all Isreali's are psychopatic.
You're making baseless claims based on your own opinions.
You should get down of your high horse yourself, never mind needing riding lessons, you're sitting backwards on the bloody nag.

If you must accuse Brown Bomber of being xenophobic (I'm filling in the blanks of you not understanding the difference between a Semite and a member of the Jewish faith for you), then contact a mod or admin with hard evidence to prove your theory.

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

Just as I thought, you have no evidence at all, just opinion.
As far as you can see it's all down to them being Jews eh?
That's just your opinion.

You're making accusations about somebody, serious ones at that and you can't back them up with hard evidence so we're supposed to accept your opinion as hard currency?
For someone who demands evidence so readily themselves surely this is nothing more than an exercise in defining hypocrisy.

Yeah BBs posting history and the fact every thread he starts is about jews or israeli tells a different story

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

Yeah BBs posting history and the fact every thread he starts is about jews or israeli tells a different story

Surely this would have been picked up on the mods or admins by now?
I hardly think that boards.ie wants to be a host for xenophobia of any kind.

WakeUp

Di0genes wrote: »

No I didn't you tried to claim this was just about the IDF and not Israelis in general. I pointed out that for the most part Israelis are members of the IDF.

Yes you did stop being watery please. When speaking of the IDF we are talking about current service personal and in the case of the pictures, the sick twisted fcks in them.

Di0genes wrote: »

I'd really try and get off the high horse, you need riding lessons

Coming from you that is hillarious, thanks. My sides are hurting me here from the laughter good chuckle does you the world of good.

Di0genes wrote: »

Yeah see you don't seem aware of BB's obvious anti Semitic slant.

Irrelevant even if what you are saying is correct Im commenting about the photos and the fact that the thread is about the IDF. Let me put it to you another way does the fact that they are "jewish" excuse their crimes in your eyes somehow? Why are you trying to turn this thread into something it isnt?

digme

meglome wrote: »

I don't know what their motivations were, war puts weird stresses on people and they do sometimes uncharacteristic things. But as I say I don't know these people so I have no idea, a court should decide what crimes, if any, they committed (but as i said the pictures are disgusting).

We do appear to be calling then psychotic only because they are Jewish. What would you call that?

I'm not buying that at all,it's not the war,it's a case of being told the way it is from the moment they can understand as children.They are told in their schools,in their homes,on school trips etc.They then see how their peers act and copy them and think nothing of it. So it is very characteristic of the isreali psyche to do these things.

IrelandSpirit

meglome wrote: »

The question has been asked at least twice why are these people psychotic and all the other Army's which have done similar things not psychotic? I think it's sick to take these sorts of pictures however I'm not naive enough to think that war doesn't mess people up. I've been all over the world and I've found people to be basically the same. So as far as i can see the only reason for the psychotic label is they are Jews.

Why then do you accuse the IDF of being exclusively Jewish? There are other religious faiths in the Israeli army.

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

Whilst I'm in no way anti jewish what uprising says is true to an extent.
It's pretty much to duty of any member of any religion, judaism included to convert non believers and to shun (in some cases justify killing) those who will not convert. It's true of Christianity, Islam, you name the religion.

Again source?

digme

Di0genes wrote: »

Again source?

have you any life experience?Why do you need a source?Is it only to piss him off?
The dog on the street knows it's true,so why don't you?

Brown Bomber

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Why then do you accuse the IDF of being exclusively Jewish? There are other religious faiths in the Israeli army.

Yeah there has been a lot of Beduoins, who the IDF have ever so gently been ethnically cleansing from the Negev desert in last two weeks.

At this point I'd last to request from the moderators, as suggested in Feedback that Diogenes doesn't post in this thread any further unless he posts on topic.

He refuses to answer any on topic questions, brings up random **** to take the thread off topic and is making slurs against me which I am prepared to ignore and not respond in kind.

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

Again source?

Are you fo real?
Why don't you start with the Torah, then the Bible and while your'e at it the Qur'an?

Why don't you reply to the most recent post I made replying to you?

Brown Bomber

By way of explanation to people who have a hard time understanding things THIS IS NOT AN anti-JEW THREAD. Nowhere have I even suggested that ALL IDF SOLIDERS ARE PSCHYOPATHS. If they had bothered to read the thread without thinking "what would Abe Foxman say" they would realise that the highly revolting shots were released by a group of former IDF, ISRAELI JEWS.

This is their site: http://www.shovrimshtika.org/about_e.asp

Read it. Learn something.

Their purpose is to show that this anti-human behaviour is commonplace in the IDF.

Me, I'd rather turn the gun on myself than pose mockingly over someone I'd just killed. Then I am not a pschyopath (can't even spell it). Nobody I know would do such a thing. It is totally beyond my comprehension how anyone could do such a thing to another human being. Now if these sickening acts are everday events from a single group of people it suggests to me that there is something fundamentally wrong with this groups thinking as we are all born alike.

It is nothing about religion, nationality or anything else. It is about trying to understand evil acts.

Diogenes, Meglome I think your energies would be better served opposing these twisted and animalistic acts rather than someone who has highlighted them.

alastair

nullzero wrote: »

It's pretty much to duty of any member of any religion, judaism included to convert non believers and to shun (in some cases justify killing) those who will not convert.

Actually judaism is pretty much opposed to religious proselytization and missionary work. It's not a central aspect to the religion at all.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Me, I'd rather turn the gun on myself than pose mockingly over someone I'd just killed. Then I am not a pschyopath (can't even spell it).

I'd suggest that would be an indication of some form of mental illness, maybe even psychosis.

alastair

nullzero wrote: »

Jewish doesn't equal a race of people.
If you're going to accuse him of discriminating against Jewish people I believe the term you're looking for is xenophobia.

Xenophobia is directed towards anyone outside your own goup and is obviously not the term he's looking for. Racism is just fine, or bigotry if it's a purely religious bias. Jews can be defined through either religion or ethnicity, and ethnic discrimination is synonymous with racial discrimination:

In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm

uprising2

Di0genes wrote: »

Um seriously source? No. Seriously source.

Um seriously, answer the question and I'll give my source, from the horses mouth actually, No seriously answer the question, and I'll give my source.

Torakx

Swing and a miss? hehe
Have no idea what the point of the last few pages were but to totally pull the thread off topic.
I think that the IDF did create these psychopathic soldiers.
I would need serious convincing as to any other source for this kind of conduct within its ranks.

IrelandSpirit

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah there has been a lot of Beduoins, who the IDF have ever so gently been ethnically cleansing from the Negev desert in last two weeks.

At this point I'd last to request from the moderators, as suggested in Feedback that Diogenes doesn't post in this thread any further unless he posts on topic.

He refuses to answer any on topic questions, brings up random **** to take the thread off topic and is making slurs against me which I am prepared to ignore and not respond in kind.

I agree, and what pisses me off is the way certain people here use the Jewish faith as some kind of trump card, as if just the word 'Jew' will win their every argument, however ridiculous, or deter people from following sensitive lines of inquiry.

There's nothing to suggest the religious faith of the soldiers in those pictures, or even if they practice a faith, they are IDF and that's it.

The op does not state what religion they are either, and makes no allusions either way. What we can perhaps say with relative safety is that they are Zionists, which is a movement comprised of people of various religions, and atheists alike.

What anybody, with an ounce of sanity could certainly say is that these soldiers are very disturbed. I would not want them anywhere near me or my kids, put it that way, never mind walking down my steet with a loaded rifle.

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

I'd suggest that would be an indication of some form of mental illness, maybe even psychosis.

I'd suggest you don't know what you are talking about. If you are interested in finding out I suggest you read this: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by LT Col Grossman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing:_The_Psychological_Cost_of_Learning_to_Kill_in_War_and_Society If you did you'd realise that soliders didn't want to fire at the enemy, they didn't want to kill them, even at risk of their own lives. Only 15% (Pschyopaths?) shot to kill. This was up to WWII, by Vietnam this was up to 90% due to conditioning programmes.

But thanks for bringing that up.

WakeUp

alastair wrote: »

I'd suggest that would be an indication of some form of mental illness, maybe even psychosis.

Im just wondering are you a mental health professional?

Brown Bomber

http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf

This looks quite interesting to me. I don't expect anyone else to read it, just wanted to share it just in case. It is the study of evil used for political purposes.

WakeUp

Had a quick look:D will try get around to it eventually is a little late for me to start reading a book tonight though)

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'd suggest you don't know what you are talking about. If you are interested in finding out I suggest you read this: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by LT Col Grossman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing:_The_Psychological_Cost_of_Learning_to_Kill_in_War_and_Society If you did you'd realise that soliders didn't want to fire at the enemy, they didn't want to kill them, even at risk of their own lives. Only 15% (Pschyopaths?) shot to kill. This was up to WWII, by Vietnam this was up to 90% due to conditioning programmes.

But thanks for bringing that up.

Anything about those who would rather kill themselves than be seen in a photo? (ie those 'losing contact with reality').

IrelandSpirit

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'd suggest you don't know what you are talking about. If you are interested in finding out I suggest you read this: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by LT Col Grossman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing:_The_Psychological_Cost_of_Learning_to_Kill_in_War_and_Society If you did you'd realise that soliders didn't want to fire at the enemy, they didn't want to kill them, even at risk of their own lives. Only 15% (Pschyopaths?) shot to kill. This was up to WWII, by Vietnam this was up to 90% due to conditioning programmes.

But thanks for bringing that up.

I think you're right. The vast majority of people do not start off like soldiers in these fotos, they end up like this through conditioning/programming. I'm sure the military after WWII did their homework alright. I heard it was around 15% killshot, of which around 10% were psychopaths, and it was whatever aspects of training or combat situations, which had turned the remaining 5% that they were particularly interested in.

WakeUp

WakeUp wrote: »

Im just wondering are you a mental health professional?

??????????????

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. Should we be calling you Dr. Al?....

IrelandSpirit

Law student, imo

alastair

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

I heard it was around 15% killshot, of which around 10% were psychopaths, and it was whatever aspects of training or combat situations, which had turned the remaining 5% that they were particularly interested in.

There a pretty good review of the notional 15% WWII fire rate here. Seems a pretty shaky set of stats, and the point about the Milgram study undermining the notion of an innate unwillingness to do harm makes much sense.

alastair

WakeUp wrote: »

??????????????

A simple yes or no will do, thanks. Should we be calling you Dr. Al?....

You've no interest in BB's medical qualifications then?

WakeUp

Any chance you could answer my question please Alastair..Are you a mental health professional?..

WakeUp

alastair wrote: »

You've no interest in BB's medical qualifications then?

Im interested in yours because of the comment you made simple yes or no will do, thanks.

alastair

WakeUp wrote: »

Im interested in yours because of the comment you made simple yes or no will do, thanks.

No interest in this comment then?

What I take from that is that they have more pschyopathic tendencies.

WakeUp

alastair wrote: »

No interest in this comment then?

Im particularly interested in your comment actually as Ive mentioned, think it is three times now at this stage Ive asked you about it and your still dodging the question...

You said....

alastair wrote: »

I'd suggest that would be an indication of some form of mental illness, maybe even psychosis.

That is quite some suggestion in all honesty so Im thinking who does this fella think he is to say that to BB, it would suggest one of two things to me. Im going to make it easy for you and give you two options, a) & b) all you have do is pick one.

a) I am a qualified mental health professional and I made the above comment in full knowledge of what I am talking about.

b) I havent a clue what Im talking about, some would say Im talking through my hole and that I turned a figure of speech completely on its head to make a snide remark, Ive no knoweldge in the field/s of either mental illness or pyschosis & I have no idea what Im on about in general.

fairly simple a or b will do thanks, Im going to bed now because its late I look forward to hearing from you tomorrow, night now.

IrelandSpirit

alastair wrote: »

There a pretty good review of the notional 15% WWII fire rate here. Seems a pretty shaky set of stats, and the point about the Milgram study undermining the notion of an innate unwillingness to do harm makes much sense.

Yeah, it's just what I heard as regards the stats, and that it's also roughly the going rate for civilians (as regards psychopaths), not sure, what I am quite sure about is that the vast majority of people are born with a clean slate - we don't all (obviously) go around behaving like the soldiers in those fotos, so something was done/happened to them to make them that way.

uprising2

Di0genes wrote: »

Military service is pretty much mandatory for all Israelis. So suggesting that IDF service makes you psychotic is suggesting most Israelis are psychotic.

Not all Israeli's, some speak about the guilt they feel years later, and are shunned by most of their peer's for speaking out, some quite enjoy the oppertunity to shoot Palestinian's, push them around, bully them with the knowledge that they can do as they wish mostly, take for instance the IDF shooting the farmer working in the field, cold blooded murder.

Indoctrinating Israeli Youths to Be Warriors
Today, militarism is a "cardinal aspect of Israeli society," its quintessential element under the 1986 National Defence Service Law, requiring all Jewish Israeli citizens and permanent residents to serve - men and women, with exemptions only for Orthodox Jews, educational inadequacy, health, family considerations, married or pregnant women or those with children, criminals, and other considerations at the Defense Ministry's discretion. In addition, most Israeli leaders are former high-ranking IDF officers, politics and the military being inextricably connected.
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15873

Then you have the SHMINISTIM, brave young Israeli's that know right from wrong, or more precisely Have a Conscience.

ISRAEL'S YOUNG CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS. The Shministim are Israeli high school students who have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in an army that occupies the Palestinian Territories. December 18, 2008 marked the launch date of a global campaign to release them from jail. SHMINISIM 2010: A new Shministim letter has been drafted for 2010, and 88 Israeli young people have signed it. The letter, addressed to Prime Minister Netanyahu, slams the Occupation and asks, “Can military rule of a civilian population be considered anything other than a dictatorship?” To learn about this new class of conscientious refusers, go here.
http://december18th.org/

Then some who have done duty, "Break the Silence" and speak out, these people took it upon themselves to speak out, they would be seen by many of their own families as traitors, life would be so much easier for them to say nothing, these I would not call psychopaths, it's the one's who actively enjoy killing, and if you teach a class of 30 children from young the values they should have, it's easy to get a generation bar a few to follow the indoctrination, really creating psychopaths, some may just have been psychopaths anyway by nature, some are "Taught" to think of death and destruction as their job and then have an indifferent approach to human life, be it man, woman or child, once they're "our" enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo

But all armies want people to fight and kill on order, and most people under attack will defend with 100%, but when you realise your actually part of the aggressing force who started this sh1t to begin with, you simply cannot give 100%, the U.S. army were concerned about the amount of soldiers who will miss a human on purpose, the percentage was lowish of active soldiers who would actually pull the trigger of an "enemy" while the "enemie's" head or body was in the crosshairs, enemy can be man, woman or child.

Even the act of taking a life is a life changing experience, but get's easier with a few under the belt and the "gratification" shown for such act's, the boy's trying to "Beat" each other's score, and thrown from "Bushwack, Alabama" to the street's of Baghdad under false illusion of flowers and greatful people, to dodging bullets soldiers have to kill or be killed, and the trauma will produce a high percentage of mentally scarred human being's, just look at any homeless man in any state of the USA and a VERY high percentage will be Vietnam vet's, traumatised by memories of act's they carried out cause it was the right thing to do, or it was their job.
America, take a look at a bio of any military person, his character record, you will mostly see, " He is such a loving caring man, very respectable, great citizen, served in the military most his life, blah, blah", "served in the military reads to me like "He's a trained killer and probably killed a little or a lot on orders from on high, without questioning the reason why he should or would do this"

alastair

WakeUp wrote: »

Im particularly interested in your comment actually as Ive mentioned, think it is three times now at this stage Ive asked you about it and your still dodging the question...

You said....



That is quite some suggestion in all honesty so Im thinking who does this fella think he is to say that to BB, it would suggest one of two things to me. Im going to make it easy for you and give you two options, a) & b) all you have do is pick one.

a) I am a qualified mental health professional and I made the above comment in full knowledge of what I am talking about.

b) I havent a clue what Im talking about, some would say Im talking through my hole and that I turned a figure of speech completely on its head to make a snide remark, Ive no knoweldge in the field/s of either mental illness or pyschosis & I have no idea what Im on about in general.

fairly simple a or b will do thanks, Im going to bed now because its late I look forward to hearing from you tomorrow, night now.

There's always option C. Wherein a general knowledge of mental health issues would inform the connection between stated suicidal thoughts and psychosis.

If I pointed out the litany of typos in your post, should I expect queries on my english lit qualifications?

uprising2

meglome wrote: »

However I fail to see how these Jewish soldier are better or worse than any from many other army's over the years.

Over the year's I'm sure they had people speaking out about what was going on, USA 60's a recent example, they had no internet then and I'm sure everybody was talking about solely USA troop's and their crimes at that time, or the numerous british travel's on slaughter holiday's over the years, including their trips here, in 1915 we were at the mercy of british armed forces, no internet then either, forums like this would have been filled with threads denouncing the british at that time.

Move on a few decades and we got the interweb, we look around and we notice one dirty bolllox after robbing some land, slaughtering the innocent inhabitants and treating them as sub human at best, on a seemingly unabated mission of destruction and inhumanity, locking them in, staving, and every other concievable inhumanity possible thrown at them.

Now it's gonna cause a stir dont you think and create a good topic to debate as thing's change day by day and it's very current and continuous.

meglome

uprising2 wrote: »

Move on a few decades and we got the interweb, we look around and we notice one dirty bolllox after robbing some land, slaughtering the innocent inhabitants and treating them as sub human at best, on a seemingly unabated mission of destruction and inhumanity, locking them in, staving, and every other concievable inhumanity possible thrown at them.

I'm still trying to see how this is actually worse than any other war or conflict in history. The only difference that i can see is people all have digital cameras and take photo's they probably wouldn't have otherwise. The Jews and the Arabs are not fond of each other in the main, both have done terrible things to the other. Conflict is dehumanising and always has been. So I'm perplexed by this thread really, there is no medical evidence whatsoever that the IDF is creating psychopaths and other than the normal 'The Jews dunnit' stuff I normally see in here I can't figure out why it's even been suggested over any other army or nation.

Of course none of that takes away from just how abhorrent I find the pictures.

I'm also somewhat amused some of you don't seem to notice that most of BB's threads make some allegation or derogatory implication about the Jews. And believe me this is coming from someone who doesn't support what Israel is doing for the most part.

uprising2

The title of the thread is: "IDF Creating Mind Controlled Psychopaths?"

My simple answer without getting into the why's or how's is: "Yes they are."

If you want to start a thread on "Irananian Republican Guard creating mind controlled psychopaths", go ahead and people will reply to that topic, or "Do war's create mind controlled psychopaths" go ahead and people will reply.

Maybe Bomber is just fukking sick to his teeth of witnessing from afar the DAILY CONTINUOUS war crime's, slaughter and utter destruction of a people, that AREN'T allowed any help from the outside world, while other countries are decried daily by the BIG BOYS for crimes against their people that are not half as bad as the situation in Gaza, Myanmar for instance, N.Korea another example, while I also hate these regimes, I hate all regimes that keep their people under subjection, but I just can't help noticing that if such regime is a "Friend" of USA then it's terrorist's that are being held at bay, if the regime is a member of the "Axis of Evil" then they are "Evil Dictators" who MURDER their own brave people fighting aggression. Total Hypocricy.

The media spin does loop the loop's for Israel, ignoring dispicable act's by the IDF and focusing on minor BS stories against the ":eek:TERRORIST'S:eek:", and how the IDF were forced to fire some US made rockets at groups of terrorist's some of whom are little boy's and girl's playing outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Byz2uKmF8

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbqXzXkOud4&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm46Hd9ONVc&feature=related

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVXmlAAUW8w&feature=related

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muoxobXdlRE&feature=related

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySTPawBVMlo&feature=related

Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EujeQUmv00M&feature=related


Maybe Bomber doesn't like this sh1t, I know i Don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e8HefLOhx0

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQ6smL0_Uw

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WaCJn4hdjc

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjDyPAQUmJQ

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU

nullzero

meglome wrote: »

I'm also somewhat amused some of you don't seem to notice that most of BB's threads make some allegation or derogatory implication about the Jews. And believe me this is coming from someone who doesn't support what Israel is doing for the most part.

I agreed with the rest of your post but yet again your making allegations that are based on no more than your opinions.
Why keep taking the thread off topic?

nullzero

alastair wrote: »

There's always option C. Wherein a general knowledge of mental health issues would inform the connection between stated suicidal thoughts and psychosis.

If I pointed out the litany of typos in your post, should I expect queries on my english lit qualifications?

This is off topic and utter pedantry. Also, once again you're not discussing the topic and insulting other users.
Would you like to join us in the discussion, or are you happier taking pot shots?

the_syco

Joshua Jones wrote: »

THEY@RE CELEBRATING KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

They're celebrating killing someone who they percieve as the enemy.

The suicide bombers percieve Israel, America, etc as the enemy. The difference is that the SB's will drag the bodies of it's enemies through the streets celebrating their deaths, whereas a few of the Israelies take photos of their enemies.

Is IDF Creating Mind Controlled Pschyopaths? Or is the environment that Israel exists in, surrounded by hostile enemies ensuring that the circle of hate keeps turning, with Israels been bred to think that they are the victim, they attack the enemy, the enemy gets enraged, and attack Israel, and the circle of violence and hate continues.

I think it's the latter.

IrelandSpirit

meglome wrote: »

I'm still trying to see how this is actually worse than any other war or conflict in history. The only difference that i can see is people all have digital cameras and take photo's they probably wouldn't have otherwise. The Jews and the Arabs are not fond of each other in the main, both have done terrible things to the other. Conflict is dehumanising and always has been. So I'm perplexed by this thread really, there is no medical evidence whatsoever that the IDF is creating psychopaths and other than the normal 'The Jews dunnit' stuff I normally see in here I can't figure out why it's even been suggested over any other army or nation.

Of course none of that takes away from just how abhorrent I find the pictures.

I'm also somewhat amused some of you don't seem to notice that most of BB's threads make some allegation or derogatory implication about the Jews. And believe me this is coming from someone who doesn't support what Israel is doing for the most part.

It's been repeatedly pointed out that this thread is not about any particular religion, and yet here you again, Jews, Jews, Jews ...

Why do you continually associate the soldiers in those pictures with Judaism, have you got something against Jews?

Black Swan

This exemplifies man's inhumanity to man, which I fear is not restricted to IDF, but is found around the globe in varying contexts, roles, and cultures. I am reminded of an innocent university research study conducted with college students by Philip Zimbardo called the Stanford Prison Experiment:

"Our planned two-week investigation into the psychology of prison life had to be ended prematurely after only six days because of what the situation was doing to the college students who participated. In only a few days, our guards became sadistic and our prisoners became depressed and showed signs of extreme stress."

Link: http://www.prisonexp.org/

Yitzhak Rabin

Disgusting and disturbing images in the OP.

However, this is in no way exclusive behavior to Israeli soldiers. Man's inhumanity has been recorded in text for millenia and photographed extensively over the past century.

These are the "nicest" images of the despicable sh!t armies have done in the last century:

Japenese soldiers burying chinese enemies alive




Infants killed by the Japenese during the "Rape of Nanking"


Rwandan Genocide


The brutal genocide by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia


Also when put in comparison. The Israeli flaunting of killing their enemies is tame in comparison to, say, how Ken Bigley's death was flaunted




So in conclusion, are the IDF creating Mind Controlled Psychopaths?

No more so than any other army, paramilitary, or terrorist group in the world.

A much simpler, more interesting and less biased question would be to ask, are modern armies purposely desensitizing soldiers to killing?

The answer to that is probably yes. The book recommended by BrownBomber earlier "On Killing" is a great place to start. It gives some studies conducted by the US military, side-by-side with veterans accounts of what they felt as they had to kill.

As was mentioned earlier the US military conducted studies on how they could condition soldier better to kill. They found simple things like changing the targets when practicing on the range from the traditional bullseye to a human target, referring to the opposition as the enemy, rather than other people, using verbs like destroy, disrupt, engage with, clear, instead of the word kill.

As for the question of whether Judaism, or any religion breeds psychopaths? Someone asked Dr. Andy Thomson this question and I think I would agree with his answer. Its here from 42mins in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnXmDaI8IEo

The talk itself is very very informative, and would recommend anyone with an hour to spare should watch it.

Here's a talk he gave on the psychology of suicide bombers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuipt15s08c

I have more to say about the topic and OP, but am in a rush at the moment.

Torakx

Tnx for the youtube vid on morality i will be watching that one at some stage for sure
I think most agree that this kind of mistreatment of others is not isolated to the IDF.But also the topic is imo true.The IDF do seem to create psychopaths.Much like any army during war time.

WakeUp

alastair wrote: »

There's always option C. Wherein a general knowledge of mental health issues would inform the connection between stated suicidal thoughts and psychosis.

If I pointed out the litany of typos in your post, should I expect queries on my english lit qualifications?

You point away Doc and while you are at it answer my question please for the fourth time of asking is really very simple, thanks.

WakeUp

Torakx wrote: »

Tnx for the youtube vid on morality i will be watching that one at some stage for sure
I think most agree that this kind of mistreatment of others is not isolated to the IDF.But also the topic is imo true.The IDF do seem to create psychopaths.Much like any army during war time.

Exactly. Armies during war time do horrible inhumane things.

IrelandSpirit

Yekahs, excellent vid, 'morality', thanks!

uprising2

Good Post Shakey!

A few good points brought up about changing the word "Kill" to other generic terms, interesting!.

Haven't time to watch the video's but will later, and hope you have time to give your views on military conditioning.

But all in all, all armies create psychopaths, desensitized to killing is not feeling anything about killing, just doing it because it's their job or duty.

Brown Bomber

the_syco wrote: »

The difference is that the SB's will drag the bodies of it's enemies through the streets celebrating their deaths, .

Musn't be very effective suicide bombers so