Irish Times article: Time to clamp down on the lawless world of cyclists

Lumen

niceonetom wrote: »

Empiricism ftw!

Unfortunately I killed both grannies by seeing how long they could live on a diet of maltodextrose solution, salt and pro plus tablets.

Got any spares?

Jawgap

Moflojo wrote: »

Fair point.
But then again, if you plug in a toaster oven and chuck it into a bath with your granny it too becomes a killing machine.
Cars don't kill people, people kill people.

My eyes are bleeding at the thought of seeing my granny in the bath - could you not have picked a less stomach churning image!?!?!?!:)

How about:-

".......and chuck it into a bath with your very fit blond second cousin and her friend - it too becomes a killing machine."

Jawgap

Lumen wrote: »

Unfortunately I killed both grannies by seeing how long they could live on a diet of maltodextrose solution, salt and pro plus tablets.

Got any spares?

Who lasted the longest? your maternal or paternal one?...... and how long did each last - inquiring minds want to know!

Rob A. Bank

Moflojo wrote: »

But then again, if you plug in a toaster oven and chuck it into a bath with your granny it too becomes a killing machine.

Shocking...Positively Shocking !

James Bond did it in Goldfinger.... so it MUST be true !

;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1ybsvhtng

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tomasrojo

Drivers have a duty to drive only white cars. Or perhaps drape their cars in some sort of high-visibility car-vest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_safety

The Vehicle Color Study, conducted by Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) and published in 2007, analysed 855,258 accidents occurring between 1987 and 2004 in the Australian states of Victoria and Western Australia that resulted in injury or in a vehicle being towed away.[6] The study analysed risk by light condition. It found that in daylight black cars were 12% more likely than white to be involved in an accident, followed by grey cars at 11%, silver cars at 10%, and red and blue cars at 7%, with no other colors found to be significantly more or less risky than white. At dawn or dusk the risk ratio for black cars jumped to 47% more likely than white, and that for silver cars to 15%. In the hours of darkness only red and silver cars were found to be significantly more risky than white, by 10% and 8% respectively.

Idleater

tomasrojo wrote: »

Drivers have a duty to drive only white cars.

My motorcycle is "copper" or bright orange, has always on (dipped) headlights. I wear hi-viz (cycling) jacket (for aestethic reasons) and I still have motorists pull out in front of me.

My point being, that motorists can be selective in what they see, and react badly (in general) when something unexpected happens. So much so that in general the easiest option is to blame the unexpected item rather than their own judgement / positioning / reactions etc.

SerialComplaint

Lumen wrote: »

Unfortunately I killed both grannies by seeing how long they could live on a diet of maltodextrose solution, salt and pro plus tablets.

If they were wearing cycle helmets, they probably wouldn't have died.

Bunnyhopper

Beasty wrote: »

I was not saying we should not debate it - the point I was making was that there had been plenty of debate on this particular topic already in the thread, with absolutely no signs of either side changing their stance. I was trying to minimise the risk of someone going over the top with a response, and hopefully avoid any need for moderator intervention;)

Too subtle for me