Tax Cheat. Should I report him?

LighterGuy

Zen65 wrote: »

Does it matter what the motivation is?

When a person decides not to drink and drive, does it matter whether they are motivated by love of humanity or a fear of getting caught? Their actions are correct..

That is total justification.
What you are saying is that if the end result is "morally good" then the reasons behind doing so dont matter. Ok then lets take that same justification and apply it to other situations...

* I am working in a job. I dont like some guy named Jack. One day he rings in sick says he is dying from the flu. I see him on my lunch break. Nothing wrong with him. I then tell my boss. He gets sacked. My "morals" was that its wrong to the company and he shouldnt use the company. .. in reality. I didnt like the guy and got him sacked.

Does those "Morals" make me a good person in that situation? how about:


* I am in a relationship and there is someone else I like. I'll met them up and go to the pub. Flirt with them. But I wont do anything. As I would be breaking morals. But I continue to meet up with them behind my partners back. Then I wanna be with them, i break up with gf and sleep with the new girl.

I didnt do anything wrong because i didnt cheat (kiss or sex) so no morals broken.
No reality was i was seeing someone behind my girlfriends back and testing the waters before I wanted to dump the gf.

Please dont think I am some moralistic jerk and that im up my own a** lol. Its just where does the line stop and start?

Silverfish

Can we please keep replies on topic and helpful to the OP.

Off-topic and unhelpful posting can earn you a ban from this forum.

Thanks.

Crossection

I thought I better clear thing up a little. My "mate" is in a band yes, and they do play original numbers. But the band is not his primary income. That comes from provide DJs and club night for a couple of bars and clubs in the South West. H has also "ran" a couple of tents at some music festivals. The guy is a theif and he is laughing at us all. He is shopped now and hopefully he will get what he deserves.

temply

Crossection wrote: »

I thought I better clear thing up a little. My "mate" is in a band yes, and they do play original numbers. But the band is not his primary income. That comes from provide DJs and club night for a couple of bars and clubs in the South West. H has also "ran" a couple of tents at some music festivals. The guy is a theif and he is laughing at us all. He is shopped now and hopefully he will get what he deserves.

you shouldn't throw out such bad karma

it has a habit of coming right back at you

gandalf

OP whatever your motives you have done the right thing. If this guy is acting like you say then he is stealing from all of us and tainting those who truely rely on Social Welfare with his actions. What I can't understand is the attitude that prevails from some here that defrauding the state is ok?

axel rose

I don't care what the OPs motivation was in reporting him- Just as long as my taxes don't subsidize her 'mates' greed and fraud.

Well done OP! If more people were willing to do the right thing, our hospitals and schools would have better facilities.

tenchi-fan

look at it this way..
30 hours a week on minimum wage is around €250.
Your buddy claims €200 on the dole (possibly rent allowance, med card and more too) and could get the same again in gigs.

He is not entitled to the dole so he should not receive it. He should also file a tax return on his income.

Moomoo1

Crossection wrote: »

Id love to have my rent paid, have a medical card and €200 a week for grass

then go and fight for your rights. There are plenty of rich people in this country, the government wastes enough money to cover what this guy might have cost them a million times over... if you want a larger slice of the pie then fight the people who have a massive slice, not the people who have just a little more of the pie than yourself.

Moomoo1

Zen65 wrote: »

Reporting tax cheats is a civic duty. You may dislike the person you are reporting, or you may like them, but their actions are financially hurting others and causing hardship for some people (the people who pay taxes).

those people are a drop in the ocean. It's the actions of the rich and the powerful who hurt others and cause hardship, small tax cheats are too minor to register.

Moomoo1

axel rose wrote: »

If more people were willing to do the right thing, our hospitals and schools would have better facilities.

wrong.

we could report all the tax cheats in the world and our facilities wouldn't improve a bit. The government would just find some black hole to flush the money down (and it would no doubt end up with their rich cronies at the end of that).

Moomoo1

Crossection wrote: »

I thought I better clear thing up a little. My "mate" is in a band yes, and they do play original numbers. But the band is not his primary income. That comes from provide DJs and club night for a couple of bars and clubs in the South West. H has also "ran" a couple of tents at some music festivals. The guy is a theif and he is laughing at us all. He is shopped now and hopefully he will get what he deserves.

you shopped a little thief to the big thiefs

I hope you are pleased with yourself.

Bogsnorkler

Good on ya OP!

Cannot believe people are any way against ya.

LighterGuy

+1 MooMoo.
Simple fact is the high ups in government rip off people more than this guy.


The amount of hypocrisy is this thread is sickening.

For every moral crusader on here... What if your friend or relative was making money tax-free. Would you do the same and report them?

Or better yet weather you are employed or not. What if you have the chance to make X amount of euro a night doing whatever field you could do a nixer in... in that situation would you not do it? ... knowing its you. Would your morals come into play then knowing money is going into YOUR pocket?


Lets face facts.... What about the time you perhaps bought some illegal smokes or bought something that was illegal ...... or better yet, bought some of those dodgy satellite boxes a year or two ago..... Where were you morals then people? .... "oh thats NTL im stealing from doesnt hurt me"? ...

I rest my case.

sam34

Moomoo1 wrote: »

those people are a drop in the ocean.

oh thats all right so, is it? their crimes dont matter do they? they should just be let away with it, cause they're not the big guys?

wildlifeman

Op you are some silly person, you just shopped him because you dont like him? would you shop your brother for doing a few nixers here and there? i doubt it.

LegacyUser

wildlifeman wrote: »

Op you are some silly person, you just shopped him because you dont like him? would you shop your brother for doing a few nixers here and there? i doubt it.

The "theoretical brother" shouldnt be doing nixers here and there and not reporting them to revenue. - So he should be shopped too

The attitude in this country stinks when this kind of Cr*p is tolerated or suggested
Its why we have larger issues with the developers etc etc
People not being held to account for their actions, People not being responsible, People letting things slide etc etc - The IRISH CONDITION

OP thanks for reporting him, you did the right thing, I'm glad a freeloader wont be getting any portion of my taxes that were earned honestly and fairly.

Elbi

Crossection wrote: »

I have an acquaintance who hasn’t had a job in five years. Straight out of collage he joined a band and started signing on. He’s still in the band and they play PAYING gigs. He also runs a promotions group. Which organise a club night hear in Cork every week along with running a tent at a couple of music festivals through Munster. He claims he not making any money and he puts it all into the band and productions. But he is, the production group isn’t registered. He doesn’t declare ANY of this income and is still signing on. Should I report him?

ah noooooooooooooooo !!!

I cannot believe OP reported him....

It was none of your business,

Daisy03

Moomoo1 wrote: »

those people are a drop in the ocean. It's the actions of the rich and the powerful who hurt others and cause hardship, small tax cheats are too minor to register.

That's ridiculous - I would be interested in learning how much these "small tax cheats" cost the country every year! It all adds up. Well done OP.

gandalf

Moomoo1 wrote: »

those people are a drop in the ocean. It's the actions of the rich and the powerful who hurt others and cause hardship, small tax cheats are too minor to register.

Depends what you call a drop in the Ocean is? A recent statement from the Secretary General of the Department of Social & Family Affairs has said that €660m a year is lost through social welfare fraud and error. Imho not enough is being done to shore up welfare fraud, especially at a time when so many actually are in genuine need of assistance.

As I said already the OP was absolutely correct in his actions, if others in this country did the same then maybe the attitude of personal responsibility for your actions might permeate through to the "rich and the powerful" as well.

aidan24326

Crossection wrote: »

Ive just reported him and he deserved it. We cant let people like that, take us all for mugs!!

Crossection wrote: »

I thought I better clear thing up a little. My "mate" is in a band yes, and they do play original numbers. But the band is not his primary income. That comes from provide DJs and club night for a couple of bars and clubs in the South West. H has also "ran" a couple of tents at some music festivals. The guy is a theif and he is laughing at us all. He is shopped now and hopefully he will get what he deserves.

You don't even know the guy's whole situation, or any of the exact facts. You shopped him because you're petty and jealous, not through any moral superiority. I bet you were one of those kids who couldn't wait to run to the teacher and tell tales.

Imo it was none of your business to intervene until and unless you knew all of the facts. That said, I agree with those who've said this guy is a monumental idiot for bragging about what money he makes, whether it's true or not.

Tender Hoop

Jealous because he scores the chicks at the gigs??

I have nothing but the upmost contempt for people like you. You should mind your own business and get a life.

Everyone knows that gigs pay feck all and barely cover the cost of the gear.

If i was a big scam or something then yes report him, but for playing gigs?? You sir, are a looser.

Jesus Juice

But if you're in a band doesnt that mean in that states eyes you dont have to pay tax being an artist?Or has artists exemption from being taxed been abolished?

Crossection

Well if gigs pay feck all he wont have anything to worry about will he

You are the worst kind of person. Its all to easy to turn a blind eye. I pay tax why shouldnt anyone else.

As for the Chicks, well Im can hold my own there

temply

Tender Hoop wrote: »

Jealous because he scores the chicks at the gigs??

I have nothing but the upmost contempt for people like you. You should mind your own business and get a life.

Everyone knows that gigs pay feck all and barely cover the cost of the gear.

If i was a big scam or something then yes report him, but for playing gigs?? You sir, are a looser.

x2

well said.

a lot of anger there, he'd want to look at himself first. not cool

The Agogo

Elbi wrote: »

ah noooooooooooooooo !!!

I cannot believe OP reported him....

It was none of your business,

If he is a taxpayer then it IS his business

From the tone of this thread I'd guess most people are stealing a portion of the pie.

Good that you reported him OP. He is a thief regardless of whatever personal offences he has caused you.

curehead

Great stuff looks like my taxes will be less next year with this guy caught :rolleyes:
Seriously though we all know people like this it's not like they live in mansions and are taunting us is it ? We all see people driving into the dole office in their 09 reg cars' i mean if you can keep a car on the road should you get dole ?
They have houses and assets and big bank accounts make them sell the lot first before getting anything .Then you might see your tax reduced .

axel rose

I really wonder how many of the 'mind your own business', 'get a life', 'you're only jealous' heads that posted here - actually pay tax?

temply

axel rose wrote: »

I really wonder how many of the 'mind your own business', 'get a life', 'you're only jealous' heads that posted here - actually pay tax?

i've been paying tax since i was 16 years old, never once in my life have i had to sign onto the dole either.

zxcvbnm1

Tender Hoop wrote: »

You sir, are a looser.

Ok - i know this is off topic but for the life of me I cannot understand why so many people are unable to spell 'lose' correctly.

There's only one 'o' in lose !

And while i'm at it, another one that bugs me is when people say could of instead of could have !

Apologies mods - but it's been going on far too long at this stage. Someone had to step in and say something.

Cheap Thrills!

fungun wrote: »

lots of people i know have tax issues that are not quite spot on and if they knew anyone reported someone else they would just keep quiet around this person...and there would prob end up being quite a lot of bitching behind their back. So I wouldnt do it.

Or if you do it, do it anonymously.....

Think first OP. You've given enough specific information about him/his circumstances and how you know him here online in your post and used your own username. It will not be anonymous. He or anyone he knows who reads it will be able to work out who you are.