* All things "Re-check" ...

Aisling1992

Anyone else get screwed because they changed the higher level maths marking scheme? Went from a C2 to a D1. My paper two looked awful. All de marks were crossed out and it was very hard to read. Just my luck that all the parts I could do ended up being given few marks

Healium

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

My French teacher told us that the recordings are only used to check on the examiner - i.e. to make sure that the test was conducted fairly, and that the examiner wasn't being too tough on people. He said it wasn't used for rechecks/appeals - I could be wrong though.

Really? I need to bump up my oral marks Was counting on it. Need ~90 marks for my oral. Really confident in my French oral, so I'd hope that they re-listen to it Otherwise, no point in getting it re-checked

Repeat2011 wrote: »

if you get your script rechecked and it turns our that you have enoough points for the course, do you get accepted straight away or do you have to wait til next year?!

No, sorry. Welcome to our archaic system. You'll have to wait until next year

Joseph

I got a B2 in Geog, was aiming for A1 so was went through it with a fine tooth comb. I was happy the examiner marked it extremely fairly - what can ya do!

i like pie

according to my teacher all the tapes that the orals are recorded on are kept in case you want it rechecked. she also said you can get just the oral rechecked but i'm not sure if this is true!!

almostnever

Got an A1 in economics, 360/400...then an advising examiner corrected it and I got 358. So frustrating to see that.
Also, the silly mistakes I made in physics/chemistry were irritating to see.
Loved my English.
The French marking scheme was mental, especially for the comprehensions.

rainbowtrout

It's interesting to see posts where papers have been correcting by the examiner and the head examiner. All posters so far have said something along the lines of 'Raging, the head examiner brought me down a mark so I got an A2 instead of an A1'. I notice nobody mentions when the head exmainer brings them up.

The head examiner is there to make sure the papers are corrected properly. Your original examiner may have added up their marks incorrectly or given you marks for something for which you were not entitled to marks. The re-check by the head examiner has rectified those errors to ensure you got the mark you DESERVE whether that is higher or lower. Like interest rates, marks can go up as well as down.

Will anyone be sending back their script because they were given 10 marks they didn't deserve because the examiner gave them marks for something that was incorrect?


As for going up points and being offered your first/higher choice. It's not set in stone whether you accept the place this year or next. If say it was a Business/Arts course, they can probably be accommodating and let you start this year because there is no need for any specialist equipment, no cap on numbers allowed in a lab, large numbers on the course anyway (if there's 400, 401 isn't going to make much difference) and plenty will drop out, not turn up to tutorials etc so fitting you in is not going to be an issue. On the other hand if there are only 25 places in Dentistry because there are only 25 dentists chairs to practice with, they cannot offer place no. 26 to someone this year as they don't have the facilities to accommodate them, so they do the next best thing and reserve a place for you next year.

The other side of it is by the time you are offered a place some colleges are 6 weeks into the course, some courses are hard to catch up on and some are not, depending on the workload, the subjects and possibly the subject combination you did in LC. So some colleges advise deferring until next year and some leave it up to the student to decide. One of my own students got Pharmacy about 5 years ago after 2 appeals. She started in November but worked her arse off to catch up. Another student would have taken the year out and started the following year.

**Timbuk2**

I sort of wish I just viewed my papers, just to see them, especially the ones I did a bit worse than expected in. I'd look a bit silly viewing papers when I got my first choice though, and it would be a waste of other people's time.

Besides, I wouldn't even consider a recheck. I got my course with no points to spare - I could not afford the risk of a grade going down.

Maybe_Memories

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's interesting to see posts where papers have been correcting by the examiner and the head examiner. All posters so far have said something along the lines of 'Raging, the head examiner brought me down a mark so I got an A2 instead of an A1'. I notice nobody mentions when the head exmainer brings them up.

The head examiner is there to make sure the papers are corrected properly. Your original examiner may have added up their marks incorrectly or given you marks for something for which you were not entitled to marks. The re-check by the head examiner has rectified those errors to ensure you got the mark you DESERVE whether that is higher or lower. Like interest rates, marks can go up as well as down.

Will anyone be sending back their script because they were given 10 marks they didn't deserve because the examiner gave them marks for something that was incorrect?

That's all fine, but is it honestly fair for someone to lose 3 marks in HL Maths for not explixitly stating that a minus by a minus is a plus?
I also lost 26 marks throughout the rest of my paper 2, for two very very minor errors, and at the result of thatcI'm 1 mark from an A1.

MunchkinKid

Just went in to see mine today...

Looked at home ec. It said on my results I got an A2, which I was a little disappointed with because I thought I got an A1.
When I went to calculate up the points it showed I actually got 93%! Can you believe? How would something like that happen? So hopefully that will go up when I send my appeal away, and give me an extra 10 points! Thankfully I don't need any more points for my course!:o

implausible

dazco wrote: »

Try 89.8, literally 1 mark off an A1

That's not one mark off, it's 0.1%, which in a paper marked out if 400 is 4 marks. Examiners and the SEC don't use percentages. It goes on marks. When marking English papers, you're given the grade divisions e.g. 340/400, 280/400, 220/400 and you usually make sure not to leave someone within 8 marks of the grade divisions. However, with Maths, presumably it's impossible to 'find' a few marks.

implausible

MunchkinKid wrote: »

Just went in to see mine today...

Looked at home ec. It said on my results I got an A2, which I was a little disappointed with because I thought I got an A1.When I went to calculate up the points it showed I actually got 93%! Can you believe? How would something like that happen?

The person entering the results f**ked up.

dazco

deemark wrote: »

That's not one mark off, it's 0.1%, which in a paper marked out if 400 is 4 marks. Examiners and the SEC don't use percentages. It goes on marks. When marking English papers, you're given the grade divisions e.g. 340/400, 280/400, 220/400 and you usually make sure not to leave someone within 8 marks of the grade divisions. However, with Maths, presumably it's impossible to 'find' a few marks.

No i was 1 mark off, I got 539/600, which is 89.8333...% while 540/600 is 90%

and 1% not 0.1% of 400 is 4 marks

I know what you're saying about not being able to 'find' marks in maths though, gonna send it in and hope for the best though....

Maybe_Memories

dazco wrote: »

No i was 1 mark off, I got 539/600, which is 89.8333...% while 540/600 is 90%

and 1% not 0.1% of 400 is 4 marks

I know what you're saying about not being able to 'find' marks in maths though, gonna send it in and hope for the best though....

Same as me. 539/600

pfannkuchen

My Geography was marked 3 times - got an A1 the first time, down to an A2 and then a B1. That's why I just missed out on Medicine. To see that was an absolute killer... Looks like I'll be paying €50,000+ to do Graduate Med. in 4 years time!

loike

went in, no teachers, looked over them quickly because i was so tired and i really didnt understand the marking and left :P

DGRulz

Viewed 4 last night, got completly screwed on the Music composition and my enginering teacher reckons I was screwed on the project. Looked at German on my own and the Geog teacher that viewed w/ me didnt teach my elective or option so she could only say if it was fair. Putting in for full Music and Engineering recheck.

Zephyr91

I'm appealing my English - my teacher looked over it with me and said it was marked very unfairly.

What does "esp" mean by the way? It was used a lot by whoever corrected my English exam. I assume it's a bad thing - but my teacher didn't know.

Also, a few questions.

Do you get the 40 quid back if you go up a grade?
If you go down a mark - can this affect the college course you already accepted if it brings you down in points?

i like pie

Zephyr91 wrote: »

I'm appealing my English - my teacher looked over it with me and said it was marked very unfairly.

What does "esp" mean by the way? It was used a lot by whoever corrected my English exam. I assume it's a bad thing - but my teacher didn't know.

Also, a few questions.

Do you get the 40 quid back if you go up a grade?
If you go down a mark - can this affect the college course you already accepted if it brings you down in points?

you get the money back only if you go up a grade. not sure about your other question but students rarely go down!!

Lawliet

Zephyr91 wrote: »

Do you get the 40 quid back if you go up a grade?
If you go down a mark - can this affect the college course you already accepted if it brings you down in points?

Yes you wil get your money back.
And no, I don't think they kick you off your course. It'll be October by the time the rechecks are back, and you'll have the registation fee paid and everything, so I think you'll be safe

loobylou

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I sort of wish I just viewed my papers, just to see them, especially the ones I did a bit worse than expected in. I'd look a bit silly viewing papers when I got my first choice though, and it would be a waste of other people's time.

Besides, I wouldn't even consider a recheck. I got my course with no points to spare - I could not afford the risk of a grade going down.

If theres been an offer and an acceptance of a course, plus an exchange of money (registration fee), I cannot see how you could, legally, be denied admission to that course.
Then again, I'm not a solicitor.

randylonghorn

Zephyr91 wrote: »

What does "esp" mean by the way? It was used a lot by whoever corrected my English exam. I assume it's a bad thing - but my teacher didn't know.

Are you sure it wasn't sp. (spelling) and the corrector just had squiggly writing?

almostnever

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's interesting to see posts where papers have been correcting by the examiner and the head examiner. All posters so far have said something along the lines of 'Raging, the head examiner brought me down a mark so I got an A2 instead of an A1'. I notice nobody mentions when the head exmainer brings them up.

Well, it happened three times in my session that somebody's marks were reduced by the head examiner but mine was the only one that resulted in a lower grade being rewarded, as far as I know. If I had been brought up by the advising examiner's remark, I'd have said that but unfortunately my only experience was with the one paper that was marked twice, where I was brought down.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

The head examiner is there to make sure the papers are corrected properly. Your original examiner may have added up their marks incorrectly or given you marks for something for which you were not entitled to marks. The re-check by the head examiner has rectified those errors to ensure you got the mark you DESERVE whether that is higher or lower. Like interest rates, marks can go up as well as down.

That's perfectly fine, I'm not at all attacking the head examiner, nor am I implying that he/she was wrong to essentially take away the two marks that I lost in economics. It's just a frustrating experience to see that it could just as easily have been an A1 and that I'd come so close to ten additional points, which I why I personally called it "frustrating."

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Will anyone be sending back their script because they were given 10 marks they didn't deserve because the examiner gave them marks for something that was incorrect?

If that had been the case, and if I had the forty euro to send it away, I probably would have. I had no intention of appealing any of my scripts though, was just viewing them for an insight into the exams and to read some of my essay style answers in English/Irish and how they were received so that I could help my sister this year. But I checked everything rigorously, and as far as I could see I wasn't unfairly awarded any marks. Nor was I unfairly docked any, although I thought the one of the answers in the physics marking scheme was a bit too specific and thought mine could've gained one or two marks out of the six. As I've already said, it's highly frustrating to see yourself come so close to achieving what you aimed for and losing out, even if that's as a result of your answers not being up to the required standard.

niamhocxox

Zephyr91 wrote: »

I'm appealing my English - my teacher looked over it with me and said it was marked very unfairly.

What does "esp" mean by the way? It was used a lot by whoever corrected my English exam. I assume it's a bad thing - but my teacher didn't know.

Also, a few questions.

Do you get the 40 quid back if you go up a grade?
If you go down a mark - can this affect the college course you already accepted if it brings you down in points?

I think you mean "exp" which is expression. Just means that the way you expressed yourself wasn't grammatically (sorry if my spelling is incorrect):o correct.

implausible

dazco wrote: »

No i was 1 mark off, I got 539/600, which is 89.8333...% while 540/600 is 90%

and 1% not 0.1% of 400 is 4 marks

oops, good job they don't let me teach Maths:o Being that close is a pain.

niamhocxox wrote: »

I think you mean "exp" which is expression. Just means that the way you expressed yourself wasn't grammatically (sorry if my spelling is incorrect):o correct.

That's what I was thinking. Examiners use 'exp' and 'L-' to denote unclear expression. It's less to do with grammar than style. Did you have a lot of long sentences, poor paragraphing and/or poor punctuation?

randylonghorn

niamhocxox wrote: »

I think you mean "exp" which is expression.

That's more likely, actually.

zam

Got 89% in chemistry
Found so many things in my biology and chemistry papers which were clearly right and written exactly as in the marking scheme but I didn't get the marks..
ALSO I see a lot of negative marking was used on my chemistry paper. I didn't know they could do that in chemistry???

Fortunately I originally got a B in Irish but an advising examiner marked me up to an A

theowen

zam wrote: »

Got 89% in chemistry
Found so many things in my biology and chemistry papers which were clearly right and written exactly as in the marking scheme but I didn't get the marks..
ALSO I see a lot of negative marking was used on my chemistry paper. I didn't know they could do that in chemistry???

Fortunately I originally got a B in Irish but an advising examiner marked me up to an A

Maybe, you had a right and wrong answer for the same question?

Aoifey!

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I sort of wish I just viewed my papers, just to see them, especially the ones I did a bit worse than expected in. I'd look a bit silly viewing papers when I got my first choice though, and it would be a waste of other people's time.

I viewed mine after getting my first choice. It was interesting to look back at them, just to see what I had done right and wrong.

LL92

Is there any way you can view them now? I really want to see my English paper, just for the craic. It's very unlikely that it'd change my points, as it's 3 grades lower than any of my other subjects.

dambarude

LL92 wrote: »

Is there any way you can view them now? I really want to see my English paper, just for the craic. It's very unlikely that it'd change my points, as it's 3 grades lower than any of my other subjects.

I'd say the answer to that is a no unfortunately. It must be a huge logistical nightmare organising script viewing, so it couldn't be very easily arranged.