The Playstation 3 has been "jailbroken" *MOD NOTE POST 220*

ChuckNorrisgod

Id say the site crashed with the amount of people that went onto it.

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Most PS3 games aren't over 4GG though. A lot of the data is padding to help speed up access times on the disc and can be removed easily.

Just out of curiosity, and entirely off topic, but after a hefty install of Split/Second the other day I'm wondering why exactly so many games need installation on PS3, when the Xbox does just fine with far more limited storage space? If the extra gigs are being used to speed up the process, why do so many games require such massive installs anyway? Anyone aware of the ins and outs of this technical oddity? Again, off topic, but will save me starting another thread on the subject

grimm2005

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, and entirely off topic, but after a hefty install of Split/Second the other day I'm wondering why exactly so many games need installation on PS3, when the Xbox does just fine with far more limited storage space? If the extra gigs are being used to speed up the process, why do so many games require such massive installs anyway? Anyone aware of the ins and outs of this technical oddity? Again, off topic, but will save me starting another thread on the subject

afaik this is because bluray read/write speeds are far slower than dvd due to it being a much newer format

Retr0gamer

Yep it's down to the disc read speed of the Blu-Ray drive being much slower than the DVD drive of the 360. Can cause problems on games such as open world games where the disc is being constantly accessed for texture data. Even on the 360 there's problems, plenty of time I've walked into a new area in Gears of War and been greeted with N64 placeholder textures until the high quality ones and shaders loaded in.

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Even on the 360 there's problems, plenty of time I've walked into a new area in Gears of War and been greeted with N64 placeholder textures until the high quality ones and shaders loaded in.

Unreal Engine 3 takes a rather odd approach to streaming alright, preferring to load the level quickly with minimal textures rather than a prolonged load with full textures. At the end of the day it doesn't make that much of a difference but you do wonder who made that call all the same.

johnny_ultimate

The texture pop up thing seems a pretty big problem in a lot of games this gen. Still on Split/Second (which is mostly what I've been playing this week) I played through an entire level the other day in which textures failed to load properly :eek: Bioshock 2 is another one that stands out as having had particularly poor streaming textures, those strange square brown textures lingering before the real Rapture decided to make an appearance. It's a weird problem.

DOC09UNAM

Meh, way too many ps3's in the room in the first video for me to believe the tv is definitely plugged into the ps3.

For all we know they could be showing you the one its "operating off", and just swapping discs in a different ps3 off camera.

gizmo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The texture pop up thing seems a pretty big problem in a lot of games this gen. Still on Split/Second (which is mostly what I've been playing this week) I played through an entire level the other day in which textures failed to load properly :eek: Bioshock 2 is another one that stands out as having had particularly poor streaming textures, those strange square brown textures lingering before the real Rapture decided to make an appearance. It's a weird problem.

As I said, the streaming oddity is a UE3 issue so you'll see it in the vast majority of titles built with it, Bioshock 2 included. As for Split/Second, well that's just a bug.

Richard Dower

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11035928

Sony is preping 3.42 firmware to block this.

WolfForager

Sony is preping 3.42 firmware to block this.

Source?

Varik

Sony are bringing the big guns with a 3.50, a higher version update will show the pirates who's boss.

Leiva

Richard Dower wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11035928

Sony is preping 3.42 firmware to block this.

Yea the are removing the Blue Ray Reader :rolleyes:

Only joking but should be interesting to see how they tackle this .

Leiva

Varik wrote: »

Sony are being the big guns with a 3.50, a higher version update will show the pirates who's boss.

Yea real impressive boss by removing a "paid for" feature :rolleyes: **cough OTHER OS

Yellowledbetter

Interesting.


One would imagine if this is true and is prooven to be so then Sony will come down on it like a ton of bricks.

Will definately be watching this space so to speak

Grumpypants

Sony are planning to come around to your house and block up your USB ports apparently only a small % of people use them anyway and you can charge your pads through your PC.

Piracy on PS3 is of no concern to me it would take me a week to download a game anyway nd im too impatient, ffs ive bought a second copy of a game on release day because my pre order didnt arrive on the friday and i couldnt wait till monday !!!

evolutionqy7

damn you bet me to it

Varik

Grumpypants wrote: »

ffs ive bought a second copy of a game on release day because my pre order didnt arrive on the friday and i couldnt wait till monday !!!

I've done that before, you return the unopened game form the post to shop. Get it day one and pay the cheaper internet price.

Grumpypants

Varik wrote: »

I've done that before, you return the unopened game form the post to shop. Get it day one and pay the cheaper internet price.

You could do that or like me you could forget about it and end up with two copies of GTA4, Killzone2 and Batman stil in the plastic still on the shelf

thewheel2.0

Varik wrote: »

I've done that before, you return the unopened game form the post to shop. Get it day one and pay the cheaper internet price.

Oh wow thats a great idea better keep it quiet though or retailers might cop on!

evolutionqy7

good point..they already dont let ya bring back PC cds cause its so easy to copy them and play imagine if they could cop on you could do that for wii and the xbox couldnt trade in anything then

therokerroar

I'm guessing that this will be like the 360 one where they know if you're playing these games online and ban your account for online play?

Helix

therokerroar wrote: »

I'm guessing that this will be like the 360 one where they know if you're playing these games online and ban your account for online play?

ms dont know if youre playing backups, they only know if your drive is modified

Oat23

I've been saving a backup 40GB PS3 for 2 years waiting for this :pac:.

rizzla

therokerroar wrote: »

I'm guessing that this will be like the 360 one where they know if you're playing these games online and ban your account for online play?

Don't need to pay for a new PSN account to play online though.

gizmo

rizzla wrote: »

Don't need to pay for a new PSN account to play online though.

Here's hoping they just console ban people then.

That_Guy

As good as this is and all, won't Sony just release a mandatory update to stop the hack?

Varik

If the this does make a retail ps3 act as a dev kit, i'd would have assumed that Sony would have had some system in place to monitor dev kits and possible these fake dev kits ps3s to prevent nefarious acts.
It'd be hard to believe that Sony who have had such a strong stance against anything that could allow piracy to let dev kits go unprotected.


digitalfoundry vs psjailbreak article, the opinion is that this is illegal no matter the legality of modding or backing ups as the mod uses Stolen and reversed engineered hardware and software.

evolutionqy7

i just think once they found a way to get it they will find it again no matter what sony does...soon maybe even complete soft mods...

Varik

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

i just think once they found a way to get it they will find it again no matter what sony does...soon maybe even complete soft mods...

That's the way it was with the psp, no matter the changes in the firmware new way were made to get past them. The ps3 went 4 years without being hacked that in itself is a big difference between them, and while i don't think that the firmware updates each time will take 4 years each it won't be as fast as the psp.

Headshot

a good read

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-psjailbreak-article

Star Bingo

"Indeed, the chip itself is said to protect the console from executing system updates. This of course precludes PSN access, and in the fullness of time this approach will stop newer PS3 games from running as they will be reliant on software elements found only in the newer firmware."

don't get that entirely. the chip can stop you from signing in? think i can resist that myself

also, seems u'd wanna to be usin this dongle via secondary (sacrificial) PS3 in case sony comes up with some sorta lock-out? ironic i've a 40gb launch twice-victim of blu-ray failure gathering dust.. but this is all too easy via a USB stick, makes for a lot of potential hypocrites with apparently higher moral values than myself commenting around the web saying no i wouldn't do this - harder not to imo.. tragic they've cracked the system really

evolutionqy7

hmm still wouldn't get the PS3...

currently own a Wii (since it has all the best Resident Evil games and its better for family fun)

next in shopping list is the Xbox Slim + The Kinetic (once available)

ive seen the new PS motion controllers but i don't think it can beat the MS Kinetic

PaddyBomb

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

hmm still wouldn't get the PS3...

currently own a Wii (since it has all the best Resident Evil games and its better for family fun)

next in shopping list is the Xbox Slim + The Kinetic (once available)

ive seen the new PS motion controllers but i don't think it can beat the MS Kinetic

Ok then....

Helix

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

h
ive seen the new PS motion controllers but i don't think it can beat the MS Kinetic

move absolutely rapes kinect in every concievable way

thewheel2.0

Helix wrote: »

move absolutely rapes kinect in every concievable way

From lurking around here I gather you are a journalist yourself...where can we read your work or would you post impressions of Move and Kinect on boards?

Helix

thewheel2.0 wrote: »

From lurking around here I gather you are a journalist yourself...where can we read your work or would you post impressions of Move and Kinect on boards?

games editor of click magazine

evolutionqy7

so tell me whats so great about playstation move ? sorry never seen any reviews of it so i dont know whats it like

F1ngers

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

ive seen the new PS motion controllers but i don't think it can beat the MS Kinetic

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

so tell me whats so great about playstation move ? sorry never seen any reviews of it so i dont know whats it like

Why don't you read a review?

Let's get back on topic please.

Varik

i don't see the point of piracy on a home console, Sony or MS can easily stop you using psn or live and at this stage i personally spend more time playing online than off.

jd007

Star Bingo wrote: »

"Indeed, the chip itself is said to protect the console from executing system updates. This of course precludes PSN access, and in the fullness of time this approach will stop newer PS3 games from running as they will be reliant on software elements found only in the newer firmware."

don't get that entirely. the chip can stop you from signing in? think i can resist that myself

The chip will stop you from updating your firmware from Sony. If you don't update the firmware you won't have access to online gaming, PS store etc... Just like when they had the firmware update to remove Other OS.

evolutionqy7

F1ngers wrote: »

Why don't you read a review?

Let's get back on topic please.

looked at it and it looks just the same as a Wii motion controller system

Helix

main difference is that it works and works properly

its the only one of the 3 that does what you want, when you want, and behaves as youd expect it to in a fully 3d 1:1 way

of course the question is whether or not people want that? possibly not, but ill wager they want it more than they want to be prancing in front of kinect looking like a cock

theyve all got their plus points, depending on what youre after, but the ps move is the only one thats conducive to ACTUAL gaming

evolutionqy7

Helix wrote: »

of course the question is whether or not people want that? possibly not, but ill wager they want it more than they want to be prancing in front of playstation move looking like a cock

do you see any difference in that? read your quote...i think in Wii/Xbox and PS you will be jumping around like a fool...


sorry i looked at the PS video of the Playstation Move and it hasn't showed anything to me but everything the Wii had in its system...ofc wii doesn't come close to decent graphics but most families that buy it don't even care about that...most people today have several consoles...

im not saying it wont be good the wii system isnt perfect it lacks alot of accuracy in certain games

Retr0gamer

I just want to chime in and say that the word jailbroken is retarded. Hacked is good enough.

Tony_Yeboah

jd007 wrote: »

The chip will stop you from updating your firmware from Sony. If you don't update the firmware you won't have access to online gaming, PS store etc... Just like when they had the firmware update to remove Other OS.

Do you not need to run updates on certain new games to play them? Will this not put a stop to this assuming Sony find a solution?

gizmo

Tony_Yeboah wrote: »

Do you not need to run updates on certain new games to play them? Will this not put a stop to this assuming Sony find a solution?

Yep, in my case I haven't updated my firmware because I'll lose OtherOS support which I actually use. This means I can't connect to PSN, play Super Stardust HD and, probably in the future, not be able to play certain retail games as they'll require a sufficiently newer version of the firmware.

Varik from what I've seen there are pirates out there who are dedicated enough to own two consoles, one modded for offline single player games which they download and another unmodded one for Live games. Of course, courtesy of improved ripping methods you can get away with playing pirated games on Live these days however, as the last swinging of the banhammer shows, MS can find you if they want.

Varik

gizmo wrote: »

as the last swinging of the banhammer shows, MS can find you if they want.

And each swing happens just before a huge new game comes out. I did use Linux on mine but got rid of it before it was removed, i have a HTPC now and it was worth the money.

evolutionqy7

gizmo wrote: »

MS can find you if they want.

would take a while to find every single user on the top of the earth though once again there probably 1 in 10 people who would have their console hacked

gizmo

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

would take a while to find every single user on the top of the earth though once again there probably 1 in 10 people who would have their console hacked

Hah, detect is probably the better word there.

As for the 1 in 10 figure, well the Nov '09 banhammer resulted in 600k people getting done. That's out of a possible 35-ish million which means a little over 1.7%, so yea about that.

PaddyBomb

When trying to log into PSN today, it said "PlayStation@Network is currently undergoing maintenance".

Maybe this is the last we'll hear of PSJailbreak