The Playstation 3 has been "jailbroken" *MOD NOTE POST 220*

TouchingVirus

The chances Sony got their hands on a pre-release copy of the jig is very slim, I'd propose it was actually undergoing maintenance

Zatoichi

Next firmware update disables USB ports. [j/k]

Zero-Cool

Zatoichi wrote: »

Next firmware update disables USB ports. [j/k]

HAHAHA Thats brilliant! Reading it, those 6 words really upset me till I read the 7th!

TouchingVirus

Zatoichi wrote: »

Next firmware update disables USB ports. [j/k]

Wouldn't put it past Sony, they fairly took out Other OS support after Geohot...

They'll probably disable the jigs if they can and move over to pressed CDs because the DVD drive firmware is yet to be cracked

gizmo

Here's the first bit of good news anyway. Looks like there'll be no online play for a starters. Hopefully Sony come up with a way of storing the IDs of devices and games used so that when the console does go online it can be detected that way too.

Varik

gizmo wrote: »

Here's the first bit of good news anyway. Looks like there'll be no online play for a starters. Hopefully Sony come up with a way of storing the IDs of devices and games used so that when the console does go online it can be detected that way too.

Well for psn+ users it does know the last few games played so it can update them or more likely just acts this information. Could Sony fully brick a console (here or elsewhere) with the firmware as this it is only a licence and while you do own the machine the software is only licensed and whos terms the pirate has just breached.

I don't pirate games and all this DRM ****e affects me so whatever the worst punishment Sony can get away with would be good, the 360 gets partially bricked and that be nice.

As long as the new games like killzone and hopefully some multi platform games actually need the latest piracy proof(at least proof at the time) firmware to run rather than just checking the correct number it'd be fine, Sony have said that they can now provide a length of time that a game will be unable to be pirated(can't find the time length or podcast i heard this) on the psp and games do make the majority share of sales early so some safe time will help.

ShaneU

theothers108 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOEbZEkp9A

johnny_adidas wrote: »

as per the comments on YT, you can hear the discs being swapped at 1.23.

if it is true, im very surprised that the music and intro screen when the disc is highlighted takes the same amount of time to load as off a disc.

not believing this myself until further proof is provided

The video does go mysteriously dark and then bright again :pac:

Grumpypants

Its still a grey area about backing up your own disks. I'm sure you could argue that if shops are offering insurance because the consoles scratch disks then this is a known manufacturers fault that you need to protect your investment.

Varik

Grumpypants wrote: »

Its still a grey area about backing up your own disks. I'm sure you could argue that if shops are offering insurance because the consoles scratch disks then this is a known manufacturers fault that you need to protect your investment.

Gamestop also say that it can't scratch disc when you buying a used game, and that you should trade in you console once a year.

The reality is that there are law that prevent the attempt to bypass DRM regardless of the protections effectiveness the US has very strong laws on this, if a simple password "123" was all it took to get past DRM and you used it without having a right to do so you've just broken a law.

It seem that this mod does use Sony hardware and software taken from the equipment they use to fix PS3, no matter the legality of backups the tool is illegal itself.

Helix

Varik wrote: »

the 360 gets partially bricked

it does not

gizmo

Aye, the console is just banned from accessing Live so all you can do is go out and buy a new console.

On the PS3 it would be even more interesting, they could ban you from getting firmware and game updates so that when a game is released which requires newer firmware you'll be completely out of luck for both online and offline play.

Helix

gizmo wrote: »

Aye, the console is just banned from accessing Live so all you can do is go out and buy a new console.

On the PS3 it would be even more interesting, they could ban you from getting firmware and game updates so that when a game is released which requires newer firmware you'll be completely out of luck for both online and offline play.

someone will just upload the firmware to the web and people will install it via usb key

Varik

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkVZyEFyFpeyBGdGIN.php

Hard Drive installs are now disabled on the banned console. This means any disk-based games you have will no longer play off of the hard drive. If you attempt to play a game, it will tell you that it was installed on a different 360 and needs to be deleted/installed again. When you delete the game and attempt to install it, you are given a message telling you that it is not supported. There is no way to fix this, that functionality is simply gone from the banned 360.

it's more than just a live ban on the 360 when the console is banned. i would think that disabling an offline feature like running games off the HDD would be considered a partial brick, if the 360 was fully bricked nothing would work but only some feature are disabled.

Helix wrote: »

someone will just upload the firmware to the web and people will install it via usb key

You can already get the firmware updates from a web without PSN, so i think Sony will have some additional measure in place.

gizmo

Helix wrote: »

someone will just upload the firmware to the web and people will install it via usb key

Ah yes, but that will only work if the vulnerability is not closed in future updates. For instance, there would be no point in updating to a newer firmware in order to play a certain game only for said firmware to disable the device on reboot.

Retr0gamer

Might not happen though. If it uses an integrate part of the firmware then only a redesign of the motherboard would really stop it.

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Might not happen though. If it uses an integrate part of the firmware then only a redesign of the motherboard would really stop it.

That's the main problem of course. The first thing that sprung to mind was to stop polling the USB ports during boot up but they can't do that either as that would stop them from using the tool for repairs themselves. With shipments of the drive starting soon I'm sure we'll see some news from either side soon anyway.

madmoe

There should be reviews up on sites soon. Anyone here gonna get one?

Zero-Cool

Will wait a while anyway to see how Sony retort. If they make it so you can't go online, I won't get it but might keep an eye out for a cheap 2nd hand ps3 that I would use just for the jailbreak but sounds like too much hassle.

Saying that, if I read the reviews and people are saying they are playing all these free games, I might be tempted

noodler

Helix wrote: »

someone will just upload the firmware to the web and people will install it via usb key

Hey, randomly, when are reviews out for VC2 on PSP?

If you aren't reviewing it then what are the impressions from the guy on your team who is?

madmoe

Same here, he he he! I got so used to bit buying any games with me Wii...... terrible I know!

Helix

noodler wrote: »

Hey, randomly, when are reviews out for VC2 on PSP?

If you aren't reviewing it then what are the impressions from the guy on your team who is?

no idea

dont even think anyones reviewing it

could be wrong though

zero interest in the handheld side of things

ROCE1977

Rumours around the web. Sony themselves leaked this hack to increase console sales. lol

WolfForager

ROCE1977 wrote: »

Rumours around the web. Sony themselves leaked this hack to increase console sales. lol

Cheers for the laugh!

ROCE1977

thats what I thought when it was posted on PS3 scene and Ps3 hacks.

gizmo

Sony Temporarily Blocks Sale Of PS3 Modchips.

I was under the assumption the tech came from Asia but was first leaked by the Aussie guys. Either way, seems Sony are definitely taking it seriously.

madmoe

The plot thickens.....

Varik

gizmo wrote: »

Sony Temporarily Blocks Sale Of PS3 Modchips.

I was under the assumption the tech came from Asia but was first leaked by the Aussie guys. Either way, seems Sony are definitely taking it seriously.

This is about the sale/import/export of the mod in/to/from Australian, even if the mod is form else where it will still help them. The mod sellers have to hand over all stock to Sonys lawyers(hope those lawyer are careful not to damage them) till a permanent solution on the legality of these is reached and then if the guys who leaked this will probable be forced to give the source.
Don't think Sony will have a hard time making the ban permanent, as the mod does use Sonys tech to work, even if modding or back ups are legal the means is not.

Myrddin

Varik wrote: »

This is about the sale/import/export of the mod in/to/from Australian, even if the mod is form else where it will still help them. The mod sellers have to hand over all stock to Sonys lawyers(hope those lawyer are careful not to damage them) till a permanent solution on the legality of these is reached and then if the guys who leaked this will probable be forced to give the source.
Don't think Sony will have a hard time making the ban permanent, as the mod does use Sonys tech to work, even if modding or back ups are legal the means is not.

I would say the injunction will be made permanent alright, however there were numerous devices sent out to affiliates, many of which have been opened to reveal the contents. Now that the method & execution is known, the information is no doubt going to be used by someone else. Gamefreax detailed the whole booting/dev sequence, so Sony's lawyers are going to be VERY busy...

Varik

The lawsuit that Sony have made against the developers (who apparently are the Australians) of this mod has resulted in the developer conceding that it is likely Sony will be able to defeat it easily with firmware update, and considering they have been given samples to test it won't be long. So even the hacks makers knew it wouldn't be hard to stop, makes sense when you think about the price that it was all for a quick profit.

weeder

tbh i dont get why they put all their eggs in the one basket with this and shouldve shipped it out to more than the 1 country/distributor

Myrddin

Varik wrote: »

The lawsuit that Sony have made against the developers (who apparently are the Australians) of this mod has resulted in the developer conceding that it is likely Sony will be able to defeat it easily with firmware update, and considering they have been given samples to test it won't be long. So even the hacks makers knew it wouldn't be hard to stop, makes sense when you think about the price that it was all for a quick profit.

All anyone who uses it has to do is wait for firmware tools etc to be developed/released before updating. The update isn't even developed/debugged so it's still going to take time.

weeder wrote: »

tbh i dont get why they put all their eggs in the one basket with this and shouldve shipped it out to more than the 1 country/distributor

They did, it's already cloned. Expect more of these very soon.

CiaranC

EnterNow wrote: »

so Sony's lawyers are going to be VERY busy...

They cant sue China. If this has been cloned, its already game over.

Varik

CiaranC wrote: »

They cant sue China. If this has been cloned, its already game over.

that x3 clone is fake, it's just a flash memory stick.

Myrddin

Varik wrote: »

that x3 clone is fake, it's just a flash memory stick.

They're not all going to be fakes, now that the method is known, there wil be a flood of these. Cheap asian clones, fakes, & genuine ones.

WolfForager

Just a question, if the original has been blocked from leaving the country (australia), how will the chinese accquire the software?

Myrddin

WolfForager wrote: »

Just a question, if the original has been blocked from leaving the country (australia), how will the chinese accquire the software?

Reports are they originated in Asia, with ozmods being the first to get a shipment. I've also seen reports that Autralian devs came up with the idea, the info is too sketchy to know what's true/false at the moment.

Varik

It's over for today seem it start up again.

here's the files from the day

The Notice of Appearance wasn't filed by all the sellers so that means they didn't show up or participate.

captainbirdseye

PS3 homebrew jailbreak released into the wilds

madmoe

I knew it! Happy days :-)

gizmo

*sigh*

The ball is firmly in Sony's court now I guess. At least the PSgroove guys disabled the iso loading when they released it, a limitation which has unfortunately been circumvented. Typical pirates though, you give them an inch and they take a mile.

Myrddin

gizmo wrote: »

*sigh*

The ball is firmly in Sony's court now I guess. At least the PSgroove guys disabled the iso loading when they released it, a limitation which has unfortunately been circumvented. Typical pirates though, you give them an inch and they take a mile.

Is that ISO loading in the traditional sense? I wasn't aware the software could boot images...

Or by ISO do they mean the dumped game files?

It requires the change of 4 ASCII characters to enable the use of Backup manager.

Wast really 'Disabled' as such. No it dosnt boot ISOs, yet anyway.

WolfForager

To anyone reading who uses this to play pirated games, ffffffffffffffff uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

Varik

here's a thought anyone who uses this has breached the terms of the PS os licence, MS don't brick a 360 they remove live and a few other things but both Sony and MS could just remove the OS fully as you no longer have the right to use it no matter the legality of nodding the hardware. Having a new system to update the console will be needed to prevent pirates playing newer games, i think the Firmware will no longer be available on the internet on psn.

Myrddin

WolfForager wrote: »

To anyone reading who uses this to play pirated games, ffffffffffffffff uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

I agree with your sentiments, the wording Im not sure about though :pac:

The only thing I'll say is, now that it's been done, given the choice between a community homebrew release or pig hungry vendors making huge sums of money...I'll choose the community release every time. Martinbroadclk in my eyes is to be commended for releasing the code, free of charge, with backup useage disabled (3rd party re-enabled). He could have got on the money bandwagon but didn't.

It was going to happen at some stage, and although I feel really bad for game dev's, I'm so happy this hasn't turned into Playstation's version of the DS flashcard vendor scene.

Myrddin

Varik wrote: »

here's a thought anyone who uses this has breached the terms of the PS os licence, MS don't brick a 360 they remove live and a few other things but both Sony and MS could just remove the OS fully as you no longer have the right to use it no matter the legality of nodding the hardware. Having a new system to update the console will be needed to prevent pirates playing newer games, i think the Firmware will no longer be available on the internet on psn.

With the ability the run unsigned code, I would imagine there will be a plethora of tools on the horizon related to firmware upgrade/downgrade. All someone has to do is hold off on any updates for the moment. Sony really need to get in gear and get something out there, to at least try disable this for the majority of users.

Look at the PSP firmware scene....all because of unsigned code.

WolfForager

I'm sorry, i was woken up for the third morning in a row by the builders upstairs, i'm a tad cranky :pac:

Myrddin

WolfForager wrote: »

I'm sorry, i was woken up for the third morning in a row by the builders upstairs, i'm a tad cranky :pac:

Ugh, my sympathies man. Builder noise in the mornings is horrific at best.

CiaranC

Must pick up a PS3 now

madmoe

I use VidZone all the time, will not work now if there is mandatory firmware update......but there is no way I'm gonna update now this is out!!