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It's also a very cost effective way of running the service. These are experienced people. To train one person to the level of someone who is still in the FTR costs upwards of £50k before they become productive. I personally think there's more to it than politics.

Dietcoke1

psni wrote: »

It's also a very cost effective way of running the service. These are experienced people. To train one person to the level of someone who is still in the FTR costs upwards of £50k before they become productive. I personally think there's more to it than politics.

Experience means nothing if you have no interest in the job!

I don't want get into the whole FTR thing again I have made my feelings and experience with them know but in my opinion it is totally political.

You say it costs £50k to train a recruit before they become productive! The FTR do not do any files or take on any work so where is the productivity there?

beca

Dietcoke1 wrote: »

Experience means nothing if you have no interest in the job!

I don't want get into the whole FTR thing again I have made my feelings and experience with them know but in my opinion it is totally political.

You say it costs £50k to train a recruit before they become productive! The FTR do not do any files or take on any work so where is the productivity there?

i personally would have no interest if i had been working for an organisation who was turfing me out on my ear after putting my life on the life for XYZ years for them (never mind the will we/wont we that has been going on for years on their final finishing date)

Dietcoke1

beca wrote: »

i personally would have no interest if i had been working for an organisation who was turfing me out on my ear after putting my life on the life for XYZ years for them (never mind the will we/wont we that has been going on for years on their final finishing date)

Hold on! The FTR are on 3 year contracts and most have made careers out of the job and done very well.

They have had every opportunity to apply for full time during the RUC and the PSNI, I have listened to one of them complain recently about how bad they have been treated and this individual has never even tried for full time!

Dead weight!

fefe5

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-northern-ireland-11921731

Now, another 1000 recruited for the frontline... That would be nice IF it actually happened!!! We can but dream...

fefe5

Dont know about you guys but I have been keeping a bit of an eye on the budget stuff today while I could in work... Got this quote from the BBC site:
"Mr Wilson says the policing and justice budget will be ring-fenced and the new police and fire training facilities will still go ahead."

Its intresting to think the new training centre will go ahead, might add a bit of fuel to the fire that recuitment will continue on in the next few years, even if it is at a slower rate. Fingers crossed it is indeed a good sign.

If you want to read for yourselves:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/9289744.stm
And the quote I took was from the time 1227.

Gee-22

fefe5 wrote: »

Dont know about you guys but I have been keeping a bit of an eye on the budget stuff today while I could in work... Got this quote from the BBC site:
"Mr Wilson says the policing and justice budget will be ring-fenced and the new police and fire training facilities will still go ahead."

Its intresting to think the new training centre will go ahead, might add a bit of fuel to the fire that recuitment will continue on in the next few years, even if it is at a slower rate. Fingers crossed it is indeed a good sign.

If you want to read for yourselves:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/9289744.stm
And the quote I took was from the time 1227.

I reckon we can only take it as a good sign.

Doubt they will spend all that money on a new training centre if they plan to freeze recruitment.

1986j

I wonder if like previous years all those whom they have told to 'hang tight' will get the call even if 50-50 recruitment has ended.

Cant help but worry that I may get a letter saying 'Thanks but no thanks'

Gee-22

1986j wrote: »

I wonder if like previous years all those whom they have told to 'hang tight' will get the call even if 50-50 recruitment has ended.

Cant help but worry that I may get a letter saying 'Thanks but no thanks'

That's a good point.

Did you get a march letter?

But tbh I think 50/50 will be extended for at least another year.

1986j

I got the letter saying "passing to final stages which may include medical and vetting" though low merit score.

Maybe the next recruitment intake will be solely based on performance and they will appoint from this campaign those who meet 50-50 criteria.

Hard to say.

notbrazil

Dietcoke1 wrote: »

Hold on! The FTR are on 3 year contracts and most have made careers out of the job and done very well.

They have had every opportunity to apply for full time during the RUC and the PSNI, I have listened to one of them complain recently about how bad they have been treated and this individual has never even tried for full time!

Dead weight!

Rubbish. Many could not apply to the regulars due to height and eyesight restrictions. They have been treated badly by the organization and many can't make any plans for the future as they don't know whether or not they'll be put out on the scrap heap. Maybe you should try listening to our FTR colleagues instead of going on the internet and slagging them off.

notbrazil

Word from the inside; not telling you where for security reasons but it has something to do with the internal computer system at G'Ville;

March is the last intake. When that course finishes, the place is closing up shop in preparation for the Cookstown joint training centre, which is now going ahead.

If anyone wishes to move this to the 'Rumour Mill' section, go ahead, but I thought that many people will see this as highly important info, and it's a little more solid than an 'I heard that...' post.

Dietcoke1

notbrazil wrote: »

Rubbish. Many could not apply to the regulars due to height and eyesight restrictions. They have been treated badly by the organization and many can't make any plans for the future as they don't know whether or not they'll be put out on the scrap heap. Maybe you should try listening to our FTR colleagues instead of going on the internet and slagging them off.

You obviously do not work with any of them!

No height restricitions in the PSNI notbrazil.

I do listen to them. The problem is its from the station when you are trying to get them out of it and away from the tv and cups of tea.

1986j

notbrazil wrote: »

Word from the inside; not telling you where for security reasons but it has something to do with the internal computer system at G'Ville;

March is the last intake. When that course finishes, the place is closing up shop in preparation for the Cookstown joint training centre, which is now going ahead.

If anyone wishes to move this to the 'Rumour Mill' section, go ahead, but I thought that many people will see this as highly important info, and it's a little more solid than an 'I heard that...' post.

I hope they do a few more intakes and I get in. Very very frustrating. 2 months into a new job and all I want is the PSNI job

FootyFan24

Hi Guys

Just wondering if anyone has heard of when the call for the next intake will be going out? Got a missed call (blocked number) today and I'm always hoping!

0607

What exactly are these ''renovations'' that are going on, according to another post, and why are they bothering pumping money into garnerville if they are now to cease recruitment until the new desertcreat college will be open (2-3 years) ?? according to a previous post...

fefe5

0607 wrote: »

What exactly are these ''renovations'' that are going on, according to another post, and why are they bothering pumping money into garnerville if they are now to cease recruitment until the new desertcreat colleage will be open (2-3 years) ?? according to a previous post...

I totally agree with you, I would like to know why they are spending more money too if as people are saying March is the last intake to Hotel G'ville.
The new facility looks extremely fancy too - looks like it will cost more than a pretty penny - must be expecting that they will get a lot of use out of it for training! http://www.perkinswill.com/work/desertcreat-college-and-training-facility.html

Gee-22

FootyFan24 wrote: »

Hi Guys

Just wondering if anyone has heard of when the call for the next intake will be going out? Got a missed call (blocked number) today and I'm always hoping!

The general opinion seems to be that IF calls go out for a Feb intake, they will go out next week.

Won't affect me, vetting was only sent away in November. :mad:

ItShouldBeMe

Gee-22 wrote: »

The general opinion seems to be that IF calls go out for a Feb intake, they will go out next week.

Won't affect me, vetting was only sent away in November. :mad:

I know how you feel Gee, i sent mine away at start of July and last time i checked mid december it hadnt cleared.. ive decided not to contact them to enquire anymore as i feel im chasing a lost cause!

Don't know what way to take the news of the new training facility going ahead. On one side its good to see investment going into a new recruitment centre, but the fact that they are spending money on new buildings when this campaign was under threat due to funding isn't pleasant reading for any current applicant.

Also, where was the post about the revamping of G'Ville? was this just a rumour or is it from a reliable source?

Hopefully we get another few squads through the hotel during the first half of the year!:)

1986j

I also got an 'unknown' number in work today. Nearly shat and jumped up immediately to answer. Was a trampy debt consolidation company cold calling.

fefe5

ItShouldBeMe wrote: »

I know how you feel Gee, i sent mine away at start of July and last time i checked mid december it hadnt cleared.. ive decided not to contact them to enquire anymore as i feel im chasing a lost cause!

Snap, I sent mine away end of June and last checked at the end of November and it was "ongoing". Kind of given up on it! I didn't think there was anything in it that would slow it up too much but obviously there might have been:(

With the bad weather and all the bank holidays recently I cant imagine that vetting will have got through too much over december either.

My merit is in the top 80, so there is still a small hope of making a call if vetting clears but tough just sitting here and not even knowing if there is any chance of it clearing in the next couple of months

Delancey

1986j wrote: »

I also got an 'unknown' number in work today. Nearly shat and jumped up immediately to answer. Was a trampy debt consolidation company cold calling.

Everyone gets these stupid telesales calls offering everything from mobile broadband to double glazing - some of them even come from charities looking for money , most inconsiderate of them giving decents folks heart failure

TangoVictor

delancey42 wrote: »

Everyone gets these stupid telesales calls offering everything from mobile broadband to double glazing - some of them even come from charities looking for money , most inconsiderate of them giving decents folks heart failure

While I agree that cold calling can be a pain in the ass, I feel I should stick up for marketing to a degree. I have managed to cut my debt, Win a holiday to Nigeria and enlarge parts of my body - Thanks Hotmail!! ;)

recruit2010

0607 wrote: »

What exactly are these ''renovations'' that are going on, according to another post, and why are they bothering pumping money into garnerville if they are now to cease recruitment until the new desertcreat college will be open (2-3 years) ?? according to a previous post...

guys i can confirm they are doing renovations in GV.
main reason behind is it is in state of poor repair and with at least one more squad starting soon and prob a feb one to they need rooms sorted.
also cons stay to do training etc and they will be moving other facilities down to GV. dont know if im able to say anymore if i can PSNI or Delancey will say and ill elaborate.

on another note good luck to the new squad coming in and dont worry we'll tell you as many lies as we can think of and try and scare you but you'll love it, we all do!!!
the weeks fly in. see you guys shortly.
dont forget to bring money as your allowance wont cover your food. a few pound a day would sufice.

Delancey

Thanks for the info and those tips recruit.

Moderator Note - I think it best we cease discussion of renovations or any kind of construction work at Garnerville ( or indeed any P.S.N.I. facility for that matter ) , such works may have security implications , thanks.

0607

recruit2010 wrote: »

guys i can confirm they are doing renovations in GV.
main reason behind is it is in state of poor repair and with at least one more squad starting soon and prob a feb one to they need rooms sorted.
also cons stay to do training etc and they will be moving other facilities down to GV. dont know if im able to say anymore if i can PSNI or Delancey will say and ill elaborate.

Its been like that for many years though. And thousands have slept in the rooms before you, in the poor state they're in. So they certainly arnt just fixing the place up for the next batch of 50 or so people to stay for 4 weeks - thats all I was getting at, they must have something planned for the future...

SJAG

Hi guys, had a chat with external appointments earlier, word from them is last intake shall be March, following that we will have to wait for next campaign, which is not even in the pipeline. I had a moderately decent merit this time too, would make you loose heart! Ah well if it happens it happens - I am vetting passed and medical passed so fingers crossed I guess!

fefe5

SJAG wrote: »

Hi guys, had a chat with external appointments earlier, word from them is last intake shall be March, following that we will have to wait for next campaign, which is not even in the pipeline. I had a moderately decent merit this time too, would make you loose heart! Ah well if it happens it happens - I am vetting passed and medical passed so fingers crossed I guess!

This is gutting That means my merit number <75 means next to nothing because my vetting is taking an age:mad: and still is not cleared. To not get in and not even know when I can apply again sucks. Even if I do apply again, gettin a merit number like that is unlikely and I'll have to wait another few years at least.

Gee-22

Why would they spend the time and cost, doing vetting and medicals for us if there will be no more intakes from C16?

Is it not the case - at this point they do not have any planned intakes after March, but with a budget being set in March and if all goes to plan with that, they will start intakes after March?

(I like to think the glass is half full, because I could'nt take a 9th campaign. )

shampon

Gee-22 wrote: »

Why would they spend the time and cost, doing vetting and medicals for us if there will be no more intakes from C16?

Is it not the case - at this point they do not have any planned intakes after March, but with a budget being set in March and if all goes to plan with that, they will start intakes after March?

(I like to think the glass is half full, because I could'nt take a 9th campaign. )

I guess all we can do is remain positive horse!! as hard as that is...remain positive.

bigjimmy

Hi can any one shed any light on this... I have recently read that since 2001, any RC that made the final pool received a start date..if this is the case, will this campaign be any different, providing their vetting has cleared and every thing else is in order???

shampon

bigjimmy wrote: »

Hi can any one shed any light on this... I have recently read that since 2001, any RC that made the final pool received a start date..if this is the case, will this campaign be any different, providing their vetting has cleared and every thing else is in order???

Who knows my man, I think it's all in the hands of the universe at this stage, I cant honestly see how vetting takes so long to clear for all those who have small families and one adress, no convictions, go to church, say the prayers and eat their vitamins...it's one of the many wonders and causes much philosophical debate within my family.

I'm sure that if you are an RC you have an awfully better chance then a non-rc but with the way the recent intakes have been filled, it looks like those with a quick vetting result get the nod...I just wonder why it takes so long for some and is so quick for some...

F M L

bigjimmy

I agree...From what I gather, I don't think anyone can go by the original "merit list" as even if people have a good rating, they can still fail their medical/vetting and then there is the religion lottery as well.
For the folk that's passed vetting, you'd think they could tell you if you are getting a place or not, either in the Feb or Mar intake...pull up a seat eh...

gigity gigity

Someone said on here that they had cleared everything but had still been dear johned so unfortunatly not.
As well as that I think that a lot of us will be disappointed because March will be the last intake and only half the places will be up for grabs this time around.

Gee-22

gigity gigity wrote: »

Someone said on here that they had cleared everything but had still been dear johned so unfortunatly not.
As well as that I think that a lot of us will be disappointed because March will be the last intake and only half the places will be up for grabs this time around.

They will surely use some of us C16'ers to fill future intakes. They used C15'ers to fill the November intake. I didnt hear of any C16'ers making that November intake.

They are not going to vet/medical us if they are not going to use us after March.

gigity gigity

Hopefully your right. Any theories on what you might think will happen in March?

Gee-22

gigity gigity wrote: »

Hopefully your right. Any theories on what you might think will happen in March?

In March I hope its confirmed that the PSNI budget is 'ring fenced'.

Meaning they will continue to recruit more C16'ers - as they have already spent the time and money on us.

I do however, think it might be a while until they start a new campaign. If there was going to be a 'C17', we would be hearing about it soon. A new campaign will cost money at a time when they will have to use the budget they have wisely. Plus there is still the whole 50/50 issue to sort out and I dont think that will be a quick decision :rolleyes:.

Just my theory on how it looks. I might be 100% wrong and a new campaign could be advertised next week.

But why spend the money on something they already have - a list of candidates who have gone through 90 - 100% of the recruitment process.

gigity gigity

Good points, perhaps after march they might recruit from the pool on a merit only basis as they say that 50/50 will be complete then. who knows? Its the hardest job ive ever tried to get!

Delancey

I have to say that I think the best news for those hoping for a Campaign 17 and continued recruitment after March would be the renewal for another year of 50/50.
Ironic I know given that so many people dislike it but I believe it's continuation would be a positive sign for the future.

Other than that I think the ' number crunchers ' will decide the future of P.S.N.I. recruitment in the medium term , we can only hope for the best.

thebakerboy

Gee-22, I like your thinking. We'll surely find out about any new campaigns by next week, usually closing date a month later in Feb isn't it?

As for the budget thing, applying you thinking to the "wait till March" letter that sounds very possible. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or even if its true. I did hear that the civilian side (Grafton) of policing is being wound up shortly. If this is true then would that mean more police would need to be recruited to cover the paper work load?

Not trying to get hopes up hear, just passing on what I heard.

SJAG

I have been thinking (i should do less), with the new stop point being branded as March..... along with the fact that 50:50 legislation ends in March... does anyone else envisage that the Deloitte system will totally come to an end and in house recruitment begin?

I had also thought that there may be a fear of 'discrimination' cases being brought, post March, because the legislation is not there anymore for the 'positive discrimination' which has formed part of Patton.

Anyone any thoughts?

fefe5

Whilst it is likely that 50:50 will end in March, it is not yet 100% confirmed and is yet another variable that is 'up in the air'. As for what happens after 50:50, it is hard to tell. I suppose it will depend on if it is more cost effective to run the IST and AC in house rather than by contracting it out.

SJAG

although my understanding is that there was no discrimintion law change in NI therefore the Legislation which had been brought in to prevent legal challenges can/will expire, opening a can of worms?

In a way i hope the current campaign does not end as i feel a lack of motivation to endure another process/campaign!

fefe5

Cant say I know much about the discrimintion law so will leave that one to someone with more knowledge than me on it...

Totally agree about C16 though, the thought of not getting in this time and having to apply and do all the IST, AC, vetting and medical all over again is a drain just to think about. Hopefully it wont come to C17 though :rolleyes:

Delancey

It was a recommendation by the Patten commission that recruiting be contracted out to the private sector ( Deloitte won the business ). Patten did not specify this should only be while 50/50 was in place , my guess is that Deloitte involvement will continue into the future.

As for 50/50 ending I have a feeling that although it will end it may be replaced by a mechanism to ensure that RC representation is maintained , just my opinion.

wanadrum

I doubt that recruiting will return to being in house - though I think it should.

I think they should continue to appoint from the current campaign as it will save money and also as it will give me a slight chance of getting in.

I think the fire service recruit occasionally and hold the pool of qualified candiatates for a few years. Why can't PSNI do the same?

1967J

Would love to see that happen for obvious reasons

mal4893

Me too lol! But I guess we are hopping for a miracle there! But hey, if it takes the Police 9 months to work out if you are a good person with no criminal record there is a good chance anything could happen!

Hopefull1

Hey guys, I havn't posted in a long time but after reading a lot of posts I just wanted to keep everyones hopes up about the intakes. I know a trainer in Garnaville and he/she told me that, as this is the last campaign he/she believes that they may 'milk' out as many intakes as they can as there is no further campaigns after March. So just because March is the end of the campaigns, does not necessarily mean it is the end of intakes from the last campaign.
I have posted this in the Rumour Mill as it is obviously only what they have said but I do see them as a reliable source as they also told me that there was going to be, October and December intakes long before calls went out and when everyone thought the FREEZE was going to be in place.

Lets just keep Fingers crossed.....

Gee-22

Hopefull1 wrote: »

Hey guys, I havn't posted in a long time but after reading a lot of posts I just wanted to keep everyones hopes up about the intakes. I know a trainer in Garnaville and he/she told me that, as this is the last campaign he/she believes that they may 'milk' out as many intakes as they can as there is no further campaigns after March. So just because March is the end of the campaigns, does not necessarily mean it is the end of intakes from the last campaign.
I have posted this in the Rumour Mill as it is obviously only what they have said but I do see them as a reliable source as they also told me that there was going to be, October and December intakes long before calls went out and when everyone thought the FREEZE was going to be in place.

Lets just keep Fingers crossed.....

Thats a rumour we would all like to believe, and I can see the sense behind it. Hope your source is right