The Rumour Mill...

wanadrum

Me too

nat_

Hopefull1 wrote: »

Hey guys, I havn't posted in a long time but after reading a lot of posts I just wanted to keep everyones hopes up about the intakes. I know a trainer in Garnaville and he/she told me that, as this is the last campaign he/she believes that they may 'milk' out as many intakes as they can as there is no further campaigns after March. So just because March is the end of the campaigns, does not necessarily mean it is the end of intakes from the last campaign.
I have posted this in the Rumour Mill as it is obviously only what they have said but I do see them as a reliable source as they also told me that there was going to be, October and December intakes long before calls went out and when everyone thought the FREEZE was going to be in place.

Lets just keep Fingers crossed.....

well, it seems to sound right to me, i just cant understand why march would be the last intake if they spent money on so many of us to put us through medicals, some of us had to do the other fitness tests too and its not like its there for free! they were supposed to save the money to help the budget. if you spend money on something youre not gonna use to me it just seems a bit odd and kind of pointless. but we can never know whats going on in there..
i wanted to pull all the possible strings and asked a mate of mine whos lucky enough to be in psni. he spoke to his coworkers and deputies but they have absolutely no idea whats about to happen..

1967J

Well we can but hope

wanadrum

Unfortunately in the public sector things rarely appear to be done by logic, they appear to love wasting money!

1967J

wanadrum wrote: »

Unfortunately in the public sector things rarely appear to be done by logic, they appear to love wasting money!

Have to agree with that

nat_

yeah, me too.. its just so annoying that it seems so logic and easy to do to us but the people who really are responsible for it seem to be doing everything to make all that process as time consuming and hard as possible

anay75

I spoke to external appointments and whilst they were very careful not to say anything reading between the lines I got the impression that March intake will be the last for a wee while anyway. Also know through a certain source that tutor units are being done away with too in some districts.

fefe5

Found this:
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/NI-Fed-Chair-‘Optimistic’-Over-Resources_30007.html?category=23

Not a lot of infomation in it, but thought it would let people know where the Federation is coming from.

fefe5

Also found this! It is an FOI request about the 2009 campaign but was asked in 2010. I think it will answer a couple of peoples questions about what it likely to happen. Let just say, now I am totally depending on March I think

Question 14
Is it possible for a candidate, who has scored well at the Assessment Centre phase, but whose medical or security vetting has been delayed, to be passed over in favour of another candidate who has perhaps not scored as well but whose medical and security vetting processes have been completed?

Answer
The PSNI make offers of appointment to successful candidates under the merit principles and in line with the 50/50 arrangements. In the circumstances described, our practice has been to hold a place until the process is completed. However, as we approach the end of the 50/50 arrangements in March next year, and are predicting no recruitment in the year 2011/12, there will be no provision to carry forward appointments beyond this date. In this case, and as the PSNI must fulfil its legislative obligations under 50/50 to appoint the required numbers by the end of March, it is possible that candidates whose medical or vetting outcomes remain outstanding may be passed over in favour of the next appointable candidate on the order of merit. Every effort will be made to avoid this outcome but there can be no guarantee, because of the practicalities of the ending of the legislation.

The link to the document is:
http://www.psni.police.uk/2009_recruit_campaign.pdf

wanadrum

I was speaking to someone last night who told me that the PSNI have just been given some more money and will be recruiting again very soon - the same individual encouraged me not to give up!

If this person doesn't know the score - nobody does - a very very reliable source!

Gee-22

You may have made a lot of people happy with that rumour What about the 50/50 situation? How can they start a new campaign with that issue still to be addressed?

I just hope they continue to use what they have for a while yet.:cool:

wanadrum

HI Gee - I realise that it will please a lot of people to have heard that - again, it came from a very reliable source - who was incredibly friendly.

There was no mention of 50/50, but I didn't ask about it.

I wish they would work of the merit list rather than pay for a whole new campaign - makes more sense in my opinion.

Gee-22

wanadrum wrote: »

I wish they would work of the merit list rather than pay for a whole new campaign - makes more sense in my opinion.

I agree with the above.

As for the new campaign - your source is prob right, but I don't see how an new campaign can go ahead before a decision on 50/50. An early decision on 50/50 is whats required. I think the new campaign will happen closer to the summer rather than March.

wanadrum

I didn't think to clarify that with my source - didn't have much time to chat - but their exact words were 'we have just been given some more money and will be recruiting again very soon, don't give up'.

Gee-22

wanadrum wrote: »

I didn't think to clarify that with my source - didn't have much time to chat - but their exact words were 'we have just been given some more money and will be recruiting again very soon, don't give up'.

Do you think that means a new campaign or they will be recruiting again from the current merit list? Sounds like it could be the latter.

wanadrum

It sounded to me like a new campaign to be honest - but again I didn't really have much time to clarify this.

I wish I had thought of it - could have told my source how they could save a couple of million by cracking on through the list.

fefe5

Certainly sounds like something to keep us positive Wanadrum! Would be nice to see a new campaign as well as continuing on C16 - double our chances

Just dying to know what will be announced come the end of February / start of March regarding 50:50 and any more recuitment from the C16 merit pool. Hopefully they would have the sense to use up C16 :rolleyes:

Gee-22

fefe5 wrote: »

Certainly sounds like something to keep us positive Wanadrum! Would be nice to see a new campaign as well as continuing on C16 - double our chances

Just dying to know what will be announced come the end of February / start of March regarding 50:50 and any more recuitment from the C16 merit pool. Hopefully they would have the sense to use up C16 :rolleyes:

Don't think you need to worry. March is gonna be your month

fefe5

Gee-22 wrote: »

Don't think you need to worry. March is gonna be your month

Flip, I hope so. I like to think I have a good amount of patience, but this process would test anyones levels of patience!

fefe5

wanadrum wrote: »

I was speaking to someone last night who told me that the PSNI have just been given some more money and will be recruiting again very soon - the same individual encouraged me not to give up!

I have a couple of friends going through the recuitment process and also have close connections to people in the PSNI, and they too have been saying that they have heard recently about a new campaign beginning at some point before summer. I would be very sceptical of these rumors generally so as not to get my hopes up. However, these people have no connections to the forum and have still heard this stuff so maybe there will be a little something after March after all.... :rolleyes:

Still hoping I won't need it. Approximately 3 weeks to the calls for March!!!:cool:

nat_

ok.. new campaign sounds good, yet can someone explain it to me-what happens to all of us who passed their medical and are waiting for vetting to clear? if there is that new campaign does it mean that if we want the job, we have to apply again and go through it all from starting line or where do we end up? im a total newbie and its my first time ever to be doing it so im clueless

wanadrum

Well, there would normally be some appointments made from this campaign during the next - but this may change becasue of 50/50 etc.

You would reapply regardles to increase your chances.

PoPoWannabe

Gee-22 wrote: »

Do you think that means a new campaign or they will be recruiting again from the current merit list? Sounds like it could be the latter.

A friend of mine heard news about the Admin Support Officer roles with the PSNI recently. They are under the same 50/50 terms and conditions as the Police Officer posts. There is a last minute push to get people placed into posts as the current campaign (merit list) will become invalid due to the end of 50/50 in March.

Now, this is relating to the Support Team side of things, but its the same scenario and 50/50 terms with a current live external recruitment campaign. Chances are its the same for us, I think its the end of the road for C16 :-( I've also heard it from G'ville too, March is the last intake full stop.

Sorry guys, its heartbreaking to get so far (...and I'm included in that, gutted).

Good news about the new recruitment campaign rumours though... Still hope, even if we have to go through it all AGAIN.

MustBeCrazy

PoPoWannabe wrote: »

A friend of mine heard news about the Admin Support Officer roles with the PSNI recently. They are under the same 50/50 terms and conditions as the Police Officer posts. There is a last minute push to get people placed into posts as the current campaign (merit list) will become invalid due to the end of 50/50 in March.

Now, this is relating to the Support Team side of things, but its the same scenario and 50/50 terms with a current live external recruitment campaign. Chances are its the same for us, I think its the end of the road for C16 :-( I've also heard it from G'ville too, March is the last intake full stop.

Sorry guys, its heartbreaking to get so far (...and I'm included in that, gutted).

Good news about the new recruitment campaign rumours though... Still hope, even if we have to go through it all AGAIN.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The Support Team recruitment was run by Grafton Agency and was not subject to 50/50 so has absolutely no bearing on the Police Officer recruitment at all.
Nobody knows what will happen with this campaign as yet - not even the appointments department themselves. Last year when there was the 'freeze' all our in house training was changed to take place in Garnerville (which suited me!) as there would supposedly be no more intakes for the forseeable future, only to be changed again a few weeks later when the so called freeze was lifted and intakes started up again. This tells me that recruitment/training/trainers/no-one knows what is going to happen with this campaign until the last minute.

PoPoWannabe

Actually, the Support Team IS subject to 50/50, it is PSNI external recruitment. You are correct, the initial assessments were ran by Grafton like the initial assessments for us were done by Deloitte. Then the merit pool was handed over to external appointments for 50/50 placing, same as Deloitte. Freeze affected the Support Team in the same way as the Police Officer recruitment.

It's true, you never know what happens in this process, thats why this thread is called 'The Rumour Mill'... We will never know for sure til we get this letter in March. I'm sure you can understand I'm just giving my opinion... and a heads up that it might follow the same path.

I sincerely hope it doesnt get scraped though... but I'm prepared to have another go at it, if it does and a new campaign starts. Never give up on your dreams.

TangoVictor

Actually, the Support Team IS subject to 50/50, it is PSNI external recruitment. You are correct, the initial assessments were ran by Grafton like the initial assessments for us were done by Deloitte. Then the merit pool was handed over to external appointments for 50/50 placing, same as Deloitte.

I was my understanding that Grafton still manage recruitment for civilian positions within the service? (Although they may not be recruiting at present). Im not too sure about this whole Deloitte gang though, is that just the Consensia partnership rebranded?

PS - MBC, good to see your still hanging around!!

- tv

MustBeCrazy

PoPoWannabe wrote: »

Actually, the Support Team IS subject to 50/50, it is PSNI external recruitment. You are correct, the initial assessments were ran by Grafton like the initial assessments for us were done by Deloitte. Then the merit pool was handed over to external appointments for 50/50 placing, same as Deloitte. Freeze affected the Support Team in the same way as the Police Officer recruitment.

It's true, you never know what happens in this process, thats why this thread is called 'The Rumour Mill'... We will never know for sure til we get this letter in March. I'm sure you can understand I'm just giving my opinion... and a heads up that it might follow the same path.

I sincerely hope it doesnt get scraped though... but I'm prepared to have another go at it, if it does and a new campaign starts. Never give up on your dreams.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and as you rightly point out this is the rumour mill, but I feel for people who want this so badly and then read so many differing opinions on what is going on with this campaign - especially when it is offered as coming from reliable sources and it is stated as fact rather than opinion or rumour. I just wanted to re-iterate that no matter what opinions or rumours are posted on this board that everyone must remember that no-one actually knows what is happening and that there is hope until that Dear John drops onto the mat. As I said earlier - the trainers in GV were all told they had to relocate at the start of the freeze only to be told a few weeks later they wouldn't be moving after all. Good luck and I hope they do not cut this campaign short as it would be so unfair to all of you waiting.

MBC x

MustBeCrazy

TangoVictor wrote: »

I was my understanding that Grafton still manage recruitment for civilian positions within the service? (Although they may not be recruiting at present). Im not too sure about this whole Deloitte gang though, is that just the Consensia partnership rebranded?

PS - MBC, good to see your still hanging around!!

- tv

Hi TV

It's a hard habit to break and I do feel for all these hopefuls waiting. Oh how I hated the waiting...:eek:

catweasel10

MustBeCrazy wrote: »

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The Support Team recruitment was run by Grafton Agency and was not subject to 50/50 so has absolutely no bearing on the Police Officer recruitment at all.
Nobody knows what will happen with this campaign as yet - not even the appointments department themselves. Last year when there was the 'freeze' all our in house training was changed to take place in Garnerville (which suited me!) as there would supposedly be no more intakes for the forseeable future, only to be changed again a few weeks later when the so called freeze was lifted and intakes started up again. This tells me that recruitment/training/trainers/no-one knows what is going to happen with this campaign until the last minute.

I have just spoken to a serving officer. They said that 50/50 definitely did not apply to The Support Team which was not subject to Patten. Bears out what MBC said.

PoPoWannabe

TangoVictor wrote: »

I was my understanding that Grafton still manage recruitment for civilian positions within the service? (Although they may not be recruiting at present). Im not too sure about this whole Deloitte gang though, is that just the Consensia partnership rebranded?

PS - MBC, good to see your still hanging around!!

- tv

Yeah sort of, currently there are alot of temporary civilian staff in through Grafton on temporary contracts (employed by Grafton).

But there was a permanent mass recruitment campaign in 2009 for PSNI support team staff, actual PSNI staff. This was initially started by Grafton, then handed over to Ext Appts (similar to that of Deliotte). Subject to 50/50, the freeze and all that jazz. Exact same merit list set-up. They are only able to place now due to funding.

Maybe this is where the confusion is, no-one knew bout the permanent campaign???

All I was saying is that our recruitment campaign (c16) might follow the same path, expiring after March :(:(

TangoVictor

catweasel10 wrote: »

I have just spoken to a serving officer. They said that 50/50 definitely did not apply to The Support Team which was not subject to Patten. Bears out what MBC said.

This is from the NI Policing Board Website which indicates that 50:50 applied to support/civialian staff also.

-tv

heffomike54

PoPoWannabe wrote: »

A friend of mine heard news about the Admin Support Officer roles with the PSNI recently. They are under the same 50/50 terms and conditions as the Police Officer posts. There is a last minute push to get people placed into posts as the current campaign (merit list) will become invalid due to the end of 50/50 in March.

Now, this is relating to the Support Team side of things, but its the same scenario and 50/50 terms with a current live external recruitment campaign. Chances are its the same for us, I think its the end of the road for C16 :-( I've also heard it from G'ville too, March is the last intake full stop.

Sorry guys, its heartbreaking to get so far (...and I'm included in that, gutted).

Good news about the new recruitment campaign rumours though... Still hope, even if we have to go through it all AGAIN.

Ok firstly I have not posted in this thread before as I don't get any juicy rumors to pass on but my two cents on this is that we are getting this information at best third hand & we all know how these rumors can be confused, misunderstood or lost in translation & given the way this hiring process is run, if I got letter from Deloitte telling me I had to jump on one foot around Belfast for a day to get a place in hotel GV, i would not be surprised .
In my humble opinion, until you get a letter telling you to get lost or you see a new recruitment campaign being launched, nothing is certain. Also people need to remember how draining this process is for all concerned, not just people waiting on the call, but the people who get the call & are worried sick about the new challenges & the people making the calls who are probably under huge pressure to get people's medicals & vetting finished. So deep breaths everyone and fingers crossed.

catweasel10

TangoVictor wrote: »

This is from the NI Policing Board Website which indicates that 50:50 applied to support/civialian staff also.

-tv

Thanks. Won't be listening to that person again!

PoPoWannabe

Guys, just to make it clearer... I got info on the civy 50:50 recruitment campaign. I was just wondering if the same will be applied to ours... thats all :rolleyes: No malice intended guys! I'm in the same boat, and have wanted this for sooo long.

This is 'The Rumour Mill' afterall...

If it continues after March and we get the letter saying so, I'll prob kiss the postman! lol

x

fefe5

So according to the NI Policing Board site, the consultation on 50:50 was due to end yesterday... wonder when we wil hear the outcome as I'm sure thats a big factor on if this campaign has anymore intakes as well as what will happen regarding another campaign.

http://www.nipolicingboard.org.uk/index/our-work/oversight-of-the-psni/content-hr-planning-strategy/content-recruitment.htm

Goonerdee

Hello, I'm new here so I hope you can forgive me if I am posting in the wrong place. Does anyone know or can anyone guess what the chances are of a recruitment campaign this year? The thought of waiting for 4 to 6 years is a bit crushing really.

Thanks.

Delancey

Goonerdee wrote: »

Hello, I'm new here so I hope you can forgive me if I am posting in the wrong place. Does anyone know or can anyone guess what the chances are of a recruitment campaign this year? The thought of waiting for 4 to 6 years is a bit crushing really.

Thanks.

Hmmm , the $64,000 question !
At this time nobody knows for sure and there are rumours that suggest there will be no recruitment for the foreseeable future - on the other hand there are rumours that there will be a recruitment drive at an albeit slower rate then before. All we have at the moment is rumour - it is hoped that the position will become clearer in March when budgets , the future of 50/50 recruitment , etc , are decided.
It is interesting to note that plans remain to commence building a new Emergency Services Training School shortly - grounds for hope I guess.

Goonerdee

Delancey wrote: »

Hmmm , the $64,000 question !
At this time nobody knows for sure and there are rumours that suggest there will be no recruitment for the foreseeable future - on the other hand there are rumours that there will be a recruitment drive at an albeit slower rate then before. All we have at the moment is rumour - it is hoped that the position will become clearer in March when budgets , the future of 50/50 recruitment , etc , are decided.
It is interesting to note that plans remain to commence building a new Emergency Services Training School shortly - grounds for hope I guess.

Thanks Delancey. I don't know what the turn around is for the PSNI but I'm sure they will have to replenish their numbers at regular intervals once they know how many officers they can afford. I had passed the AC stage last year but got the letter saying my AC score wasn't high enough to proceed any further.

Do you know if they still recruit POPT's? I haven't seen an advert for them in years. I would even consider going part time if they started up. I'm sounding a bit desperate now lol.

shampon

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/security-to-dictate-if-psni-gets-extra-200m-chancellor-15077946.html

Some news regarding the extra £200 Million/ €235 millon/$321 million in extra funding that was asked for to tackle the dissident threat.

Delancey

Goonerdee wrote: »

Do you know if they still recruit POPT's? I haven't seen an advert for them in years. I would even consider going part time if they started up. I'm sounding a bit desperate now lol.

My understanding is the POPT's will remain in the PSNI , unlike the Full Time Reserve which will soon be history. I think the number of POPT's will be more or less capped at 2,500 - when or if they may start recruiting I haven't heard a thing.
Anyone else know anything about the recruitment of POPT's ?

shampon

Delancey wrote: »

My understanding is the POPT's will remain in the PSNI , unlike the Full Time Reserve which will soon be history. I think the number of POPT's will be more or less capped at 2,500 - when or if they may start recruiting I haven't heard a thing.
Anyone else know anything about the recruitment of POPT's ?

Is the FTR going the way of oul' yella when 50/50 has ended.. bro?

Goonerdee

Delancey wrote: »

My understanding is the POPT's will remain in the PSNI , unlike the Full Time Reserve which will soon be history. I think the number of POPT's will be more or less capped at 2,500 - when or if they may start recruiting I haven't heard a thing.
Anyone else know anything about the recruitment of POPT's ?

I remember reading somewhere that there are about 900 POPTs at the moment. If they started recruiting after the FTR's contracts are ended it would be great. I think it was three or four years ago they last recruited for them.

Goonerdee

Actually I found a document from last April that there are 288 POPTs. I thought it was a lot higher than that.

Delancey

shampon wrote: »

Is the FTR going the way of oul' yella when 50/50 has ended.. bro?

That would seem to be the plan and the Chief Constable remains insistent that the FTR will go . The Patten report recommended that the FTR should be abolished.

1986j

Great Video. best with sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCFeNeqyHk

Lucky23

News link saying London Met are going to start recruiting again for the next year, hopefully there is good news for PSNI too!

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/met-police-recruitment-freeze-ends-15079747.html

Goonerdee

Lucky23 wrote: »

News link saying London Met are going to start recruiting again for the next year, hopefully there is good news for PSNI too!

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/met-police-recruitment-freeze-ends-15079747.html

That is good news, it gives the people who's applications were frozen hope.

I read that they reckoned England and Wales would lose 10,000 officers. Really what that means is those positions wont be filled when those officers retire, but with 140,000+ officers in E&W you'd think natural wastage would be high enough to include that 10,000 plus a few more to allow recruitment, like what the Met is thinking will happen next year.

Scotland is aiming to keep it's current number of officers.

BTW further to my info on POPTs. Found a PSNI press release online from Jan 2011 with states there are 674 POPT. Plus 164 student officers, which is good news

shampon

Goonerdee wrote: »

That is good news, it gives the people who's applications were frozen hope.

I read that they reckoned England and Wales would lose 10,000 officers. Really what that means is those positions wont be filled when those officers retire, but with 140,000+ officers in E&W you'd think natural wastage would be high enough to include that 10,000 plus a few more to allow recruitment, like what the Met is thinking will happen next year.

Scotland is aiming to keep it's current number of officers.

BTW further to my info on POPTs. Found a PSNI press release online from Jan 2011 with states there are 674 POPT. Plus 164 student officers, which is good news

I'm going out on a limb here but natural wastage is a disgrace. The Guards are gonna be in for a shock when the lad's and birds who joined round the troubles go, same for the PSNI, I remember reading a report that stated with the loss of the FTR and the dude's/dudettes taking Patten, the numbers were to go down quick...I wonder how the lad's and girls on the frontline think about the gaps that will inevitably open up when their has been no recruitment for a while....

Goonerdee

shampon wrote: »

I'm going out on a limb here but natural wastage is a disgrace. The Guards are gonna be in for a shock when the lad's and birds who joined round the troubles go, same for the PSNI, I remember reading a report that stated with the loss of the FTR and the dude's/dudettes taking Patten, the numbers were to go down quick...I wonder how the lad's and girls on the frontline think about the gaps that will inevitably open up when their has been no recruitment for a while....

It's not really a disgrace, well as long as those following them are trained to an equally excellent level, but an officer nearly 60 years of age should take retirement so a young person gets in. Natural wastage gives young people a chance of getting in, hope hope, not that I'm all that young. But yes, Patten created a situation where people who weren't all that greatly trained began outnumbering experienced officers. I probably will get stick for saying that, but it was an RUC/PSNI officer who told me that.

shampon

Goonerdee wrote: »

It's not really a disgrace, well as long as those following them are trained to an equally excellent level, but an officer nearly 60 years of age should take retirement so a young person gets in. Natural wastage gives young people a chance of getting in, hope hope, not that I'm all that young. But yes, Patten created a situation where people who weren't all that greatly trained began outnumbering experienced officers. I probably will get stick for saying that, but it was an RUC/PSNI officer who told me that.

Ah...the oul' skills gap...