Do you think that gay marriage would get passed in Ireland?

cooltown

Do you think gay marriage would get passed in Ireland?
I think that many of the posters here would have no problem with it but when I think of the older generation. I sadly can say I don't think it would!

Millicent

I hope so. Misery should not predominantly be the entitlement of the heterosexual. :pac:

Celly Smunt

we can barely get common sense passed here,gay marriage is a long way off

OutlawPete

By the time it gets passed, marriage will be so rare that nobody will care.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Jesus had two dads and he turned out alright

Millicent

Rodrigo Full Frown wrote: »

Jesus had two dads and he turned out alright

If by crucified and dead by 33 you mean alright, then yes... Sicko. :pac:

OutlawPete

Rodrigo Full Frown wrote: »

Jesus had two dads and he turned out alright

What I want to know is the REAL reason Joesph was turned away from that Inn.

No rooms left .. my ass donkey.

mikemac

cooltown wrote: »

I think that many of the posters here would have no problem with it but when I think of the older generation. I sadly can say I don't think it would!

Now I know we have posters from all backgrounds and ages here.
But the views you see on boards.ie just isn't what exists in Ireland, not a majority anyway.

I don't see it getting passed anytime soon.

Einhard

If everyone in the country turned out to vote in a referendum, then yes. But as often happens, those who are against it would likely be most motivated to get out and vote, whilst those who'd have no problem would likely not be as enthusiastic.

Wolfe Tone

Einhard wrote: »

If everyone in the country turned out to vote in a referendum, then yes. But as often happens, those who are against it would likely be most motivated to get out and vote, whilst those who'd have no problem would likely not be as enthusiastic.

We need those voting machines in pubs.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Millicent wrote: »

If by crucified and dead by 33 you mean alright, then yes... Sicko. :pac:

Well you know he was Irish anyway, didn't leave home until he was thirty, hung around with twelve lads and his mother was convinced that he was God :pac:

Sticky_Fingers

Sorry but the Joe Duffy Army scuttled the only hope of the general population accepting this when they had our bath salts taken away from us, so no.

Celly Smunt

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Sorry but the Joe Duffy Army scuttled the only hope of the general population accepting this when they had our bath salts taken away from us, so no.

terrible,go on,go on,bath salts,go on

KnifeWRENCH

cooltown wrote: »

but when I think of the older generation. I sadly can say I don't think it would!

Yeah but they'll all die at some point.

So it hopefully will be passed some day, but perhaps not for another good while yet.

Wolfe Tone

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

Yeah but they'll all die at some point.

So it hopefully will be passed some day, but perhaps not for another good while yet.

Yeah, I wish everyones parents and grandparents would hurry up and die!! Uh wait a min....

StinkySocs

if voting was on a saturday then everyone would vote!

There would probably be a lower divorce rate if gay marriage was allowed.

starbelgrade

If gay marriage is passed, next thing you know, the floodgates will open & we'll have gay penguins raising kids.

Oh wait, that already happened.

Carry on...

scientific1982

Unfortunately I dont think it would pass. Theres still a lot of conservatism in this country.

KnifeWRENCH

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yeah, I wish everyones parents and grandparents would hurry up and die!! Uh wait a min....

:rolleyes: I never said I wanted anyone to die, just pointing out the fact that society has become more progressive and that at some point in the future we will more than likely have a more liberal older generation who will be more accepting of things like gay marriage.

foxyboxer

"Civil Union" between homosexual couples...yes.

"Marriage" between homosexual couples...no.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman who will start a family.

That's just the way it is. My 2c

Usertaken

Simple fact of life:

Marriage: Union between Male and a Female. All religions don't recognise homosexuality as a marriagable union, so how can the State legislate a union which no religion would confirm ? Civil Union just fine have it, marriage would place a staus on it reserved for Male and Females.

We vote to let "them" marry... then they adopt kids....

I dare you put a kid with 2 men as their parents into a school and god bloody help that kid.

Ballymun area with 2 men as father and wife... having a laugh like ? WHat suddenly all of Ireland will accept Gay people ?

That kid would endure probably the most bullying ever recorded !

So no, i would vote no... not that i care what 2 men do behind their doors... think of the children they may have ! T'isnt a black and white issue at all.

plein de force

foxyboxer wrote: »

"Civil Union" between homosexual couples...yes.

"Marriage" between homosexual couples...no.

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman who will start a family.

That's just the way it is. My 2c

yeah because there isn't a childless married couple out there at all or a couple who got married without the pretense of having children

Usertaken wrote: »

Simple fact of life:

Marriage: Union between Male and a Female. All religions don't recognise homosexuality as a marriagable union, so how can the State legislate a union which no religion would confirm ? Civil Union just fine have it, marriage would place a staus on it reserved for Male and Females.

We vote to let "them" marry... then they adopt kids....

I dare you put a kid with 2 men as their parents into a school and god bloody help that kid.

Ballymun area with 2 men as father and wife... having a laugh like ? WHat suddenly all of Ireland will accept Gay people ?

That kid would endure probably the most bullying ever recorded !

So no, i would vote no... not that i care what 2 men do behind their doors... think of the children they may have ! T'isnt a black and white issue at all.

when a secular state makes provisions for marriage they do that outside the parameters of definition set up by religions, they can then go down one of either two routes, recognise marriages that take place in registry offices set up by the state and recognise religious marriages that take place in churches etc. like we do in ireland OR they can choose to not recognise religious ceremonies at all like for instance in france. to imply that because a religion wouldn't recognise it, a government shouldn't either is ludicrous.

and in regards to your second point, so because some uneducated skangers might bully a kid that has been adopted by gay couple, then all gay couples, regardless of whether they want to adopt a child or not, shouldn't be allowed marry? also, i'm sure if you asked a child in care, they'd be more than happy to be adopted by two able people who will provide a loving and nurturing environment for them to grow up in regardless of the sex of the people caring for them.

and anyway to answer the OP
yes, i think the irish people would have the maturity to recognise the love between two people of the same sex as no less meaningful than that of two people of the opposite sex

Einhard

Usertaken wrote: »

Simple fact of life:

Marriage: Union between Male and a Female. All religions don't recognise homosexuality as a marriagable union, so how can the State legislate a union which no religion would confirm ? Civil Union just fine have it, marriage would place a staus on it reserved for Male and Females.

If it's a state marriage then the state can legislate for it just fine, and can even decide whom to afford it to. You do realise that the various religious groups don't have executive powers?

The Church doesn't agree with divorce. You think the state should follow their lead on that issue too?

We vote to let "them" marry... then they adopt kids....

Gay men don't have to be married to take care of children as partners.

I dare you put a kid with 2 men as their parents into a school and god bloody help that kid.

Ballymun area with 2 men as father and wife... having a laugh like ? WHat suddenly all of Ireland will accept Gay people ?

That kid would endure probably the most bullying ever recorded !

This was one of the arguments used when they were dismantling the Jim Crow laws in the southern United States in the '60s. A black man and a white woman can't be allowed to marry! Think of the poor mixed race kids!! Small minded intolerance and naked prejudice should never be allowed to influence the granting of rights to any group.

The majority in Ireland have accepted gay people actually. And the actions of a few knuckle dragging social neanderthals isn't going to change that.

spurious

I have taught children from Ballymun and similar areas with same sex parents. It wasn't an issue. Parents tend to be taboo in their bullying world. The best they could manage was that one had a hairstyle 'like a gonk' and the other drove a 'poxy Micra'.

If bullying is tolerated by a school it will flourish. The chance of bullying occurring is not a valid ground on which to deny people rights.

The Dev-inspired roses round the gate view of a family being one man, one woman and children they had between them doesn't actually fit a large number of Irish families. It's high time we adopted the UN definition of family and enshrined it in a secular Consitution:

Any combination of two or more persons who are bound together by ties of mutual consent, birth and / or adoption or placement and who, together, assume responsibility for, inter alia, the care and maintenance of group members, the addition of new members through procreation or adoption, the socialisation of children and the social control of members.

Links234

we'll see full marriage equality in this country for definite but how long until that happens is the real question. I hope sooner rather than later.

philologos

I'd vote against it, but I think it would be passed.

Truley

First gay marriage

Then abortion...

Then what will we have to argue about on boards :eek:

Links234

Jakkass wrote: »

I'd vote against it

why?

Truley wrote: »

First gay marriage

Then abortion...

Then what will we have to argue about on boards :eek:

where the connection between gay marriage and abortion?

philologos

Links234 wrote: »

why?

I've argued for my position quite thoroughly in the past. It mostly is based on concerns surrounding radical changes in family structure. I believe that a loving marriage with both a mother and a father is the best context for a child to be raised in. I think people would really need to sit down and think about the possible impact such decisions could have on society at large.

Personally, I hope it doesn't pass, but more than likely it will.

PeterIanStaker

I'm not sure if it'd get passed, but I hope it would. Knowing the idiots, bigots, journos, jesus freaks and Joe Duffy fan club, it'd be a close call like Divorce in '96.

If they had a referendum on it I'd vote in favour of same sex marriage. We are all human.

Another nail in the coffin of McQuaid and Dev's necrotic Catholofascist Roman colony would also be a good thing.

sponsoredwalk

This man obviously knows of nothing other than the nuclear family

Radical changes? Man you need to read up on a bit of anthropology ffs...

Here is a good starting point.