Do you think that gay marriage would get passed in Ireland?

lisaface

cooltown wrote: »

Do you think gay marriage would get passed in Ireland?
I think that many of the posters here would have no problem with it but when I think of the older generation. I sadly can say I don't think it would!

I personally would like it to happen, however, I don't think it will , at least not for another 20-30 years. I just can't see it happening, when the catholic church have a higher say than we the actual individuals of this country do.

It's pretty sad like, two people not being allowed to commit to each other because a "higher source" disapproves with it .

scientific1982

Someone close this fcukin thread. This topic has been done to ****.

Min

The government had the civil partnership bill for same sex couples and co-habiting couples because they knew gay marriage would not be passed, the result would be similar to that of California where the electorate voted against it.

I am against it, it is not discrimination, it is not progression. It is just a twisted view of marriage which had always being between a man and a woman.

It is just some people want to feel discriminated against, when marriage as I said had always being a male/female union.

All this inequality stuff is just a load of rubbish.

Cuddlytroll

I studied this stuff a bit in family law, and it's amazing the technicalities which people draw upon themselves. There are reams of cases, all tying themselves in socio-legal knots which get more and more abstract and inane as you go along, particularly with regards to things like the concept of gender. It's really amazing how much easier it would be, for everyone everywhere, if people just dropped this tiresome 'one man and one woman' crap.

MagicMarker

Min wrote: »

It is just some people want to feel discriminated against, when marriage as I said had always being a male/female union.

No shít sherlock.

Without change, there is no progression.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I think most people have a problem with homosexuals being able to adopt. I did myself up until starting a thread here about it and reading the responses

I think the opposition to gay marriage would focus on gay adoption and get people to vote against it.

About 10 years after most other countries fully recognise gay marriage the Irish would prob vote yes to it. Not now though

Min

MagicMarker wrote: »

No shít sherlock.

Without change, there is no progression.

Changing to allow gay marriage is not necessarily progression.

MagicMarker

Min wrote: »

Changing to allow gay marriage is not necessarily progression.

I'm sure many people, a long time ago, thought the same about allowing black people to marry white people.

OptimashPrime

Min wrote: »

Changing to allow gay marriage is not necessarily progression.

what is it then, regression ?

brandodub

Rodrigo Full Frown wrote: »

Jesus had two dads and he turned out alright

Really really good! May I use that in my CV please?? What a giggle:D

Links234

Min wrote: »

It is just some people want to feel discriminated against

excuse me, but WHAT?
can you back that ludicrous statement up at all?

People want to feel discriminated against? sure, that's all people want. :rolleyes:

coffee_cake

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'm sure many people, a long time ago, thought the same about allowing black people to marry white people.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~weezil0/gay_marriage_toon_sml.jpg

scientific1982

The discrimination against gay people and other minorities all stems from the inability of some people to place themselves in someone elses shoes. I thought this was an inate ability.

jill_valentine

I'm pretty sure the only way gay marriage threatens the sanctity of "traditional" marriage is when all the herniatingly closeted fundamentalists finally come to terms with the fact that they're free to divorce their dead-eyed Stepford Wives and marry the rent boys of their dreams

beanyb

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'm sure many people, a long time ago, thought the same about allowing black people to marry white people.

I really hope that in twenty years time, we all look back on this debate in a similar way that people look on the fact that inter-racial marriages was taboo previously. It should be something that will be so normal, that it will sound insane that it was ever even questioned. In my little idealistic world anyway.

SayWhaaat

Min wrote: »

The government had the civil partnership bill for same sex couples and co-habiting couples because they knew gay marriage would not be passed, the result would be similar to that of California where the electorate voted against it.

I am against it, it is not discrimination, it is not progression. It is just a twisted view of marriage which had always being between a man and a woman.

It is just some people want to feel discriminated against, when marriage as I said had always being a male/female union.

All this inequality stuff is just a load of rubbish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

This man has it here!, being discriminated against is actually one of the gay person's favorite passtimes. It's not like we have lives to live or people to love we just love the f*cking drama! :rolleyes:

Many years ago allowing divorce would have been a "twisted" view of marriage

Come out of your conservative box, it's lovely out here.

Liam Byrne

Johnnymcg wrote: »

adoption, surrogacy, fostering, guardianship, turkey basters etc

All of which include a 3rd party.

Ronin247

I dont agree with the concept of gay marriage.It is a thing between a hetrosexual couple only.

I am all in favour of civil unions and equal rights but gay marriage is a stupid concept to ask for..

Marriage for hetrosexuals only,look it up.It has no room for gays and absolutely no connection to gay unions.

coffee_cake

Ronin247 wrote: »

I dont agree with the concept of gay marriage.It is a thing between a hetrosexual couple only.

I am all in favour of civil unions and equal rights but gay marriage is a stupid concept to ask for..

Marriage for hetrosexuals only,look it up.It has no room for gays and absolutely no connection to gay unions.

Stating what something IS doesn't really go anywhere in arguing why it shouldn't change

Ronin247

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

MagicMarker

Ronin247 wrote: »

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

This is probably the most retarded post I've ever read, and I've been in the christianity forum!

If marriage is for heterosexual couples only, what about a gay man and a gay woman marrying each other? Is that wrong?

jill_valentine

If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.

You can substitute the word "penis" for "World Trade Centre", it doesn't prove anything.

Links234

Ronin247 wrote: »

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

But marriage isn't a penis, it's a partnership between two people, not something one person in that partnership possesses. what an utter fail of a comparison!

we should have marriage equality for all, and if that actually turns people against the issue of equal rights as you say then fine! we don't need allies who don't want to see real equality. I think marriage equality is important not just for gay and lesbian couples, but also transgender people who can frequently fall through the cracks

Stark

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I think most people have a problem with homosexuals being able to adopt. I did myself up until starting a thread here about it and reading the responses

I think the opposition to gay marriage would focus on gay adoption and get people to vote against it.

There's some great crying children posters from Lisbon that could be reused.

Min

Still no strong arguments on why it should be allowed.

RayM

Ronin247 wrote: »

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

That's the most brilliant post I've ever seen!

(if you substitute the word 'idiotic' for the word 'brilliant' you will see my point)

Pace2008

Ronin247 wrote: »

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

I doubt there's enough memory on Boards.ie's server for the amount of rolleyes this post warrants.

coffee_cake

Min wrote: »

Still no strong arguments on why it should be allowed.

Stronger than why it shouldn't

MagicMarker

Min wrote: »

Still no strong arguments on why it should be allowed.

One word.

Equality.

Look it up.

plein de force

Ronin247 wrote: »

Why do gays need to have marriage???

Imagine if you will a Lesbian couple saying "I want a penis.."

" But your lesbians and lesbians dont need a penis"

" We should be entitled to a penis,every hetrosexual couple has a penis so we should have one."

"But you dont need to have a penis to make your love complete, you have the same rights as any other couple,gay or straight."

"So you will not let us have a penis because we are Lesbians??"

" You only want a penis because everyone else has one even though you have no use for one and it makes you no more or less a couple"






If you substitute the word marriage for the word penis you will see my point.It is just about proving a point for the gay community and this constant crying for "marriage" turns a lot of people against the whole issue of equal rights.

Equal rights for gays,marriage for hetrosexuals

you have to be trolling
nobody would use that seriously thinking it's a legitimate argument

a penis doesn't give you equal rights
marriage does