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U2 to play down under
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22-08-2010 1:58am#1
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And I don't understand all this mis-placed pride in a band because of where they come from...the way I see it, the only positive thing U2 have going for them is the fact they are Irish - Musically, I can't stand them and that wouldn't change whether they came from Dublin or Dubai - I don't generally judge a band on where they come from -
You have to love the Irish, as soon as you don't like anything mainstream Irish and the begrudgery card is thrown out...so what call all the other people in the world who hate U2 and think Bono is a f*cking idiot? Can't play the Irish Bregrudger card there...
Most of the rest of the world don't really have a strong opinion on Bono and U2 (a few million Africans might be glad of their presence for obvious reasons). They either like them or they don't but I can guarantee you that they wont posting on Internet forums spouting off their hatred of them unlike many Irish people who find it almost a daily compulsion. U2 are like an itch we just love to collectively scratch!
Just do a search here on boards.ie for many of these threads. Hating U2 and Bono is almost "cool". That said I am not the type of person to have a circle jerk about them either.
I remember an incident when I was in Christchurch of all places. U2 were kicking off their 360 tour and were on the David Letterman show. I was watching it with my flatmates. One Turkish the other Japanese. Before you ask we were watching David Letterman and U2 happened to be on. I got asked a question that made me feel a little uncomfortable. Was I proud of them?
I was like 'em, eh... I don't know.....'
The other two looking at me confused told me that if they were from their country they would be very proud of them. They were very successful and have done very well from themselves so why not be proud of them. In fact the Japanese guy told me he wished they were Japanese! So why was I so uncomfortable?
It was then it hit me. I was your typical Irishman. Uncomfortable with other peoples success especially when they were of my own nationality. Better to keep your head down, say nothing, pretend your average and for god sake don't rock the boat. It was a big wake up call for me actually on a personal level in term of my own identity in the world. You can be dammed sure that if U2 were from Croatia or Poland you would not have the same hatred directed at them from their own country men as we do. Oh such an Irish thing to hate ourselves isn't it? We have been doing it for centuries so why stop now.
I am sure you of all people will understand the fact that when you go home for a visit you actually cant say how good this side of the world is because you are "boasting" "the big shot coming home" "show off" "bull $hiter" etc. You go home saying OZ or NZ is going "grand" and leave it at that in case you hurt someones feeling or sensibilities knowing deep down how much you love it and how lucky you really are. Life can be very good! But enough of that.
We Irish are very VERY insecure and lack self confidence collectively as a people. Why do we drink so much and sing all those oh so very sad songs about wars, emigration and years gone by. To make ourselves feel worse! And we love it!
I think Bono (who else eh
) said it best when he said this.An American will look up at somebody living in a big house on a hill and say, "Someday, I'm going to be like him". An Irishman will look up at the big house and say, "Someday, I'm going to get that fecker!"
So yea, in essence it is the old Irish disease raising is ugly head in this forum. What surprised me is that its this forum not in a forum say like After Hours, these comments are expected there but in a forum dominated by ex-pat Irish who should be some of the best, brightest, most confident posters of boards.ie. To be honest I am disappointed and it makes me a little sad.0 -
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Ah but see thats not what you said. You said they were pricks, you didnt say their music was $hite which is a totally different arugment.
Bono IS a prick. Even U2 fans can see that.Are they pricks because their music is $hite? Well thats a lame argument cause even a 3 year old could dismantle it.
I may not like Celine Dion or Michael Buble's music but I wont be calling her a bitch or him a prick because of that.
Being a prick has nothing to do with the music and all to do with the self indulgence and arrogance.Its a favourite pastime of ours to give out about U2. We did it with every other high profile Irish musican, dont see why it wont stop now. I really dont care for U2 at all but I just find all this pseudo-hatred of them to be nothing more than begrudery because if they were sitting at home doing nothing for the last 20 years people would still give out, such is our way.
Case in point, the rolling stones have been old and past it for 20 years.
Not at all. If U2 retired it'd just be awesome. I don't begrudge them succes, fair play for lasting so long. They have become very much a bunch of spoofers in musical terms though and that's the annoying part.
I hate the Stones' recent music as well.Also 1991? have you listened to POP and Zoopara?
Yes. Pop is one of the worst albums of the 90s.
I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
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I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
I really like the 2000's
All That You Can't Leave Behind & How to dismantle .... had some cracking tunes
Vertigo is a great 'gym' song, they play it in my spin class, and it is a great song Beautiful Day is good.
I think Pop is one of their worst albums, truly crap.0 -
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Bono IS a prick. Even U2 fans can see that.
LOL. The the joke is on you mate as you dont have a clue about U2 with that comment!Being a prick has nothing to do with the music and all to do with the self indulgence and arrogance..
Oh please do explain further. A rockstar that likes to promote himself? Jeez how dare he!:eek:Not at all. If U2 retired it'd just be awesome. I don't begrudge them succes, fair play for lasting so long. They have become very much a bunch of spoofers in musical terms though and that's the annoying part.
I hate the Stones' recent music as well.;)
Ah so they are spoofing their way to success? LOL. They are in the middle of what will become the most successful tour of any band in HISTORY and they are spoofers and then you dont call yourself a begruder..... wow!
Do you ever hear the Brits say the same about the stones. Hell no they dont, and their 20 years older FFS!!Yes. Pop is one of the worst albums of the 90s.
I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
Fair enough, you didn't like it but I thought it was one of their best albums, much better than elevation. Then again I like dance music.
The problem with Pop is that is was too ahead of its time for the mainstream American audience. In Europe, however it was received quite well. Listen to it again and it will be still fresh and have not aged at all. If it were released today it would be recevied very differently due to the bastardisation of every possible genre to make pop music. Katty Perry and Snoop dog doing a single says it all I am afraid.0 -
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