Fulham vs. Manchester United

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Manc-Red wrote: »

Really??, Chicho is a new player for heavens sake and will be a decent player imo.

Thanks for twisting my words.

He had a bad game, new player or not.

Ush1

How strange, people have stopped going on about Hernandez since it's not preseason anymore.

Thought Zamora was class today, as he was for big parts of last season.

stumpypeeps

It's very hard to see how anyone will stop Chelsea, even this early into the season.

Jonny Evans badly exposed by Zamora but then again Zamoraa is a handful for everyone.

Wolfe Tone

baz2009 wrote: »

Thanks for twisting my words.

He had a bad game, new player or not.

I disagree. He made some brilliant runs and was not picked out.

monkey9

Bobby Zamora was excellent today. He just gets better and better whenever i see him play.

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Ush1 wrote: »

How strange, people have stopped going on about Hernandez since it's not preseason anymore.

Thought Zamora was class today, as he was for big parts of last season.

He hasn't been great - what's your point?

nullzero

adox wrote: »

How the **** can any team be out of sight by mid Septmeber?

Do you remeber how Chelsea started their campaigns when they won back to back titles?
They were well ahead by then, and by xmas they were strolling to the title.
The year after United did the same thing and had the league wrapped up by easter.
It's hard to envisage anyone playing to the same level as Chelsea this season, it's their title by a mile, unless the wheels come off in spectacular fashion. Their opening five fixtures were a joke, all easy wins, I'll confidently say that they'll slaughter each of their next three opponents.
I'm just glad I'm not a Liverpool fan, what an opening to the season for them, Arsenal then City, bound to be a tasty encounter, while poor auld Chelsea have to struggle against the likes of Stoke West ham and Blackpool next. These fixtures could, and appear to be handing Chelsea a nice advantage in the league already.

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Manc-Red wrote: »

Really??, Chicho is a new player for heavens sake and will be a decent player imo.

New player or not, he still had a shocker. Was more or less anonymous for the whole game. But as you implied, he will improve and get used to the English game. But doesn't take away that he had a shocker.

Nani needs to be relieved of any set piece duties, he's just complete muck, and as I said in another post, whether its a free kick, corner or penalty, he is constantly hitting the wall or the first man or the goalkeeper (as we saw today).

As soon as I saw him stepping up today, I let out a huge sigh.

Diggy78

stumpypeeps wrote: »

It's very hard to see how anyone will stop Chelsea, even this early into the season.

Jonny Evans badly exposed by Zamora but then again Zamoraa is a handful for everyone.

Thought Vidic would have picked him up, seemed strange for him to leave the more inexperienced player to deal with Fulham's main threat.

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

How strange, people have stopped going on about Hernandez since it's not preseason anymore.

Thought Zamora was class today, as he was for big parts of last season.

huh

maybe the whole 15 mins he played before today wasn't worth talking about?

:rolleyes:

Ush1

baz2009 wrote: »

He hasn't been great - what's your point?

There was a fierce wankfest before he stopped being great.

adox

Ush1 wrote: »

How strange, people have stopped going on about Hernandez since it's not preseason anymore.

Thought Zamora was class today, as he was for big parts of last season.

How is it strange? He had a quite game didn't do much but the majority of Uniteds problems today were further back. Or are you just looking to stoke it up?

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MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I disagree. He made some brilliant runs and was not picked out.

He didn't make the most of it at all when he was picked out, though.

Ush1

adox wrote: »

How is it strange? He had a quite game didn't do much but the majority of Uniteds problems today were further back. Or are you just looking to stoke it up?

Strange because some people were convinced he would instantly score lots of goals and be a success.

I agree about the majority of problems being further back, but I only caught the second half of the game.

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

Strange because some people were convinced he would instantly score lots of goals and be a success.

I agree about the majority of problems being further back, but I only caught the second half of the game.

and you're saying he won't be a success based on what?

adox

Ush1 wrote: »

Strange because some people were convinced he would instantly score lots of goals and be a success.

I agree about the majority of problems being further back, but I only caught the second half of the game.

Two games into the season. He's played maybe 90 minutes in those two games.

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Ush1 wrote: »

There was a fierce wankfest before he stopped being great.

That's because he was playing very well.
Jaysus you really don't cover yourself in glory when you try to spout shíte about United do ya?

Ush1

ntlbell wrote: »

and you're saying he won't be a success based on what?

I never said he won't be a success.:rolleyes:

nullzero

Ush1 wrote: »

Strange because some people were convinced he would instantly score lots of goals and be a success.

I agree about the majority of problems being further back, but I only caught the second half of the game.

I don't think he wasn't expected to be an instant goal machine, but a decent performance would have been nice.
It looks like we're deluding ourselves regarding the strength of the squad we have, we look way off the pace.

Manc-Red

FireballPitcher wrote: »

As soon as I saw him stepping up today, I let out a huge sigh.

Me too, very poor height on the shot that gave the keeper every chance.

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

I never said he won't be a success.:rolleyes:

well for me and everyoen else, can you make a point about the guy?

or are you just making random statments?

Ush1

baz2009 wrote: »

That's because he was playing very well.
Jaysus you really don't cover yourself in glory when you try to spout shíte about United do ya?

Bit of stupid wankfest then really when it was all preseason?

Aww, are ya a bit upset after drawing.:)

Manc-Red

Ush1 wrote: »

There was a fierce wankfest before he stopped being great.

Dreadful remark.

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nullzero, you have to be the most pessimistic person I've ever heard/read.

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Ush1 wrote: »

Bit of stupid wankfest then really when it was all preseason?

Aww, are ya a bit upset after drawing.:)

WC is hardly preseason.

Nope - justpointing out that you're full of shíte.:)

Johner

baz2009 wrote: »

nullzero, you have to be the most pessimistic person I've ever heard/read.

I think that award goes to the monkey.

Ush1

ntlbell wrote: »

well for me and everyoen else, can you make a point about the guy?

or are you just making random statments?

Umm, I'll tell you what, I'll make a general statement for all new signings that score lots in preseason. They might be a good signing, they might not be, pre season scoring means jack sh*t.

Thanx 4 The Fish

nullzero wrote: »

Stupid thing to be seeing from a mod.

Why? If it was not team bias then thinking that the penalty decision was a correct one suggests that the person does not know the laws of the game. That is my opinion and I will stand by it. How many other people think that the pen decision was a correct one based on the laws of the game?

Law 12 clearly states that a Direct Free Kick should be awarded to the opposing team if a player handles the ball DELIBERATELY (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area.)

A penalty kick is awarded if a defending team player deliberately handles the ball inside his own penalty area (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).

Deliberate handball means that a player intentionally moves his hand or arm towards the ball, and could have avoided touching the ball, but decided not to. It is unfairly done to prevent an opponent from gaining possession of the ball, because the perpetrator is unable to play the ball in any other way - and therefore stops or deflects the ball by the use of one, or both hands or arms, punches it, or catches it.

That flew at him, bounced off his knee and hit his had. He did not have time to move his had out of the way and never expected the ball not to be under control when he tried to take it on his knee.

So again I say, that the only excuse that I believe anybody could have for thinking that the penalty decision was a correct one was that they do not understand the game.

killwill

FireballPitcher wrote: »

New player or not, he still had a shocker. Was more or less anonymous for the whole game. But as you implied, he will improve and get used to the English game. But doesn't take away that he had a shocker.

Nani needs to be relieved of any set piece duties, he's just complete muck, and as I said in another post, whether its a free kick, corner or penalty, he is constantly hitting the wall or the first man or the goalkeeper (as we saw today).

As soon as I saw him stepping up today, I let out a huge sigh.

Nani should not have taken the penalty IMO but as far as set pieces go, he is the best we have by a country mile.

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Manc-Red wrote: »

Me too, very poor height on the shot that gave the keeper every chance.

Exactly. I mean even when players like Park or Valencia step up, I'm as equally unsure on whether they'll put it away and at least you know that if they miss its usually out of character, but there's just this inevitable disappointment with Nani when he's left with an important job to do.

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

Bit of stupid wankfest then really when it was all preseason?

Aww, are ya a bit upset after drawing.:)

excuse people getting ecited about a kid scoring goals on the biggest footballing stage.

and knocking in goal after goal in a good pre-season:rolleyes:

Ush1

Manc-Red wrote: »

Dreadful remark.

Why's that exactly Manc-Red?

You don't think people were perhaps slightly expecting too much of him?

DOC09UNAM

Does anyone know the song that was just played there at the end of the show?

Wolfe Tone

killwill wrote: »

Nani should not have taken the penalty IMO but as far as set pieces go, he is the best we have by a country mile.

Giggs is vastly better.

nullzero

baz2009 wrote: »

nullzero, you have to be the most pessimistic person I've ever heard/read.

Nah, just realistic.
It's the way the game is now, start the season poorly, especially with Chelsea doing what they're doing at the moment and you're making life hard for yourself.
Had we scraped a win today I would have been delighted, the bottom line is the 3 points, when you're not managing that you're in trouble.
We missed out on the league by a point last season, how many stupid mistakes cost us an easy title win?

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

Umm, I'll tell you what, I'll make a general statement for all new signings that score lots in preseason. They might be a good signing, they might not be, pre season scoring means jack sh*t.

Super, I hope we don't ever lose your fascinating insight into football, it would be a huge loss here.

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killwill wrote: »

Nani should not have taken the penalty IMO but as far as set pieces go, he is the best we have by a country mile.

Giggs, Valencia and Berbatov are far better than Nani at set pieces. Even laying the ball of to Scholes at a free-kick is more reliable than Nani.

Do you remember some of Berbatov's free kicks for Spurs? Some of them were a pure joy to watch.

Sure even Park can hit a fairly good free kick from time to time.

Nani is just constantly sub-par.

nullzero

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Why? If it was not team bias then thinking that the penalty decision was a correct one suggests that the person does not know the laws of the game. That is my opinion and I will stand by it. How many other people think that the pen decision was a correct one based on the laws of the game?

Law 12 clearly states that a Direct Free Kick should be awarded to the opposing team if a player handles the ball DELIBERATELY (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area.)

A penalty kick is awarded if a defending team player deliberately handles the ball inside his own penalty area (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).

Deliberate handball means that a player intentionally moves his hand or arm towards the ball, and could have avoided touching the ball, but decided not to. It is unfairly done to prevent an opponent from gaining possession of the ball, because the perpetrator is unable to play the ball in any other way - and therefore stops or deflects the ball by the use of one, or both hands or arms, punches it, or catches it.

That flew at him, bounced off his knee and hit his had. He did not have time to move his had out of the way and never expected the ball not to be under control when he tried to take it on his knee.

So again I say, that the only excuse that I believe anybody could have for thinking that the penalty decision was a correct one was that they do not understand the game.

I wasn't debating the penalty, I was surprised that you'd make a childish remark like you did at the end of your post.

ntlbell

nullzero wrote: »

Nah, just realistic.
It's the way the game is now, start the season poorly, especially with Chelsea doing what they're doing at the moment and you're making life hard for yourself.
Had we scraped a win today I would have been delighted, the bottom line is the 3 points, when you're not managing that you're in trouble.
We missed out on the league by a point last season, how many stupid mistakes cost us an easy title win?

And chelsea won't go anywhere away from home and only leave with a point?

this is nonsense talk fuled by the likes of sky.

wigan and west brom hardly world beaters now

Ush1

baz2009 wrote: »

WC is hardly preseason.

Nope - justpointing out that you're full of shíte.:)

What did I say that was sh*te. Tell me exactly?

Mexico is a different team than United though isn't it? Can be totally different for a club on a different continent.

James Forde

Craven cottage has been a bogey Ground for us in the last couple of years, so I'm delighted to get out with a point

nullzero

ntlbell wrote: »

And chelsea won't go anywhere away from home and only leave with a point?

this is nonsense talk fuled by the likes of sky.

wigan and west brom hardly world beaters now

I agree, but Chelsea have Stoke, West Ham and Blackpool next.
I'd expect them to build up a healthy lead there.

Thanx 4 The Fish

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Does anyone know the song that was just played there at the end of the show?

Renegades by feeder.

Ush1

ntlbell wrote: »

excuse people getting ecited about a kid scoring goals on the biggest footballing stage.

and knocking in goal after goal in a good pre-season:rolleyes:

Don't mind me, you're excused but hey, keep getting excited over preseasons goals, they count for lots.:rolleyes:

stumpypeeps

Its a long season and Chelsea won't continue to score 6 goals a game. I'm sure they'll dip at some point. The problem is United need to be within touching distance when that happens.

No shame in a draw away to Fulham. Their a good side.

killwill

MagicMarker wrote: »

Buck up from what exactly? The fantastic form he finished last season with?

Agreed. And I thought he played well today considering.

Ush1

ntlbell wrote: »

Super, I hope we don't ever lose your fascinating insight into football, it would be a huge loss here.

Wish I could say the same.

ntlbell

nullzero wrote: »

I agree, but Chelsea have Stoke, West Ham and Blackpool next.
I'd expect them to build up a healthy lead there.

who cares who they have next, everyone plays 38 games all against the same teams, it's irrelvant.

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stumpypeeps wrote: »

It's very hard to see how anyone will stop Chelsea, even this early into the season.

Jonny Evans badly exposed by Zamora but then again Zamoraa is a handful for everyone.

I thought Evans was woeful today totally outclassed by zamora, Vidic was OK but he has a bit to go to get back to his best. The defence looked very shaky when Fulham attacked, Evra could also have done better when Duff beat him for the first goal. As for Chico he needs time, its a huge step up from the Mexican league, but I'm sure he'll be ok. I remember Nani's peno at the aviva and it was pretty poor but he wasnt against a good keeper so he scored, i don't like stuttery run ups. Pick your side before you run up and bury it into the bottom corner.

ntlbell

Ush1 wrote: »

Don't mind me, you're excused but hey, keep getting excited over preseasons goals, they count for lots.:rolleyes:

your right, world cup is nothing.