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MTV Martial Law Warnings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    It MTV putting an ad on to appear socially conscious.

    What do you think?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    The world is being let toward that , they blame a group for all the problems in the world and use the media to promote hate , who are they targetting , who on the internet ?

    Divide and conquer .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    espinolman wrote: »
    The world is being let toward that , they blame a group for all the problems in the world and use the media to promote hate , who are they targetting , who on the internet ?

    Divide and conquer .

    Riight. :confused:

    So - it's a plot to divide the advocates of genocide (which specific group is it they're blaming btw?) from those that don't roll that way. Terrible stuff altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Their are a lot of strange things happening right now like foreign police patrolling streets.

    Germany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52darKphkVI

    Here is more UK Police in Thailand
    http://www.bravo.co.uk/shows/big-trouble-in-thailand/

    And report of Mexican police in New York and even U.S. Police in South America.

    one more for 2012 games
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6738987.stm


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Their are a lot of strange things happening right now like foreign police patrolling streets.

    Germany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52darKphkVI

    Oh look Russia Today.

    Thats British Ex Pats joining the Thai police specifically to combat crime against and by tourists.
    And report of Mexican police in New York and even U.S. Police in South America.


    Thats a "may" need specialist officers to help with specific areas of policing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Their are a lot of strange things happening right now like foreign police patrolling streets.

    You do realise those Tourist Police in Thailand don't have any actual police powers, and the ex-pats are volunteers (and not UK police)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Oh look Russia Today.

    Yeah they report the news, the German police commission has even stated it! look it up! Would you only belive it if you seen it on RTE? or Irish News papers?
    Thats British Ex Pats joining the Thai police specifically to combat crime against and by tourists.

    They wear uk police uniforms and I've seen it on TV go watch it! When I saw it they where cracking down on Prostitution!
    And report of Mexican police in New York and even U.S. Police in South America.

    Yes look it up!
    Thats a "may" need specialist officers to help with specific areas of policing.

    This comes from the Police commissioner him self its like saying we cant look after our own country and need armed foreign police, It will be then released that it was a great success and they will remain in the uk.
    You do realise those Tourist Police in Thailand don't have any actual police powers, and the ex-pats are volunteers (and not UK police)?

    And? have you seen it they actually arrest people! its just a show to get you used to the idea of having foreign police on your streets!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    It MTV putting an ad on to appear socially conscious.

    What do you think?
    From the looks of the website promoted by the ads, http://think.mtv.com/, I'd say so.

    ...either that or the second ad is the next step in the anti-piracy ads. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Audiomad wrote: »
    They wear uk police uniforms and I've seen it on TV go watch it!

    No they don't.

    http://www.thai-touristpolice.org/application.php

    Volunteers understand that being a volunteer is to assist the work of a police officer and not act on behalf of a police officer
    Volunteers should not be involved in activities such as arrests, interrogations, investigations or inspections


    http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2009/09/04/foreign-tourist-police-volunteers-exposed/

    http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/46491-pattaya-british-tourist-police-volunteer-held.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Yeah they report the news, the German police commission has even stated it! look it up! Would you only belive it if you seen it on RTE? or Irish News papers?

    Russia today is run by the Kremlin and is a noted source of utter bull**** and woo.

    They wear uk police uniforms

    As Alaister said. No they dont.
    Yes look it up!

    The onus is on you to support your claims not vice versa.
    This comes from the Police commissioner him self its like saying we cant look after our own country and need armed foreign police,

    No the statement is that there potentially isn't enough officers in the UK with firearms training to police the Olympics, and it may be cheaper and more efficient to bring in foreign police officers for the three weeks of the games.
    It will be then released that it was a great success and they will remain in the uk.

    Wanna place a bet?
    And? have you seen it they actually arrest people! its just a show to get you used to the idea of having foreign police on your streets!

    You'd think they'd put it on a station that y'know people watch then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Russia today is run by the Kremlin and is a noted source of utter bull**** and woo.

    Really do you watch Fox news? RTE, Sky and others believe them more?
    As Alaister said. No they dont.

    Go watch it!!!
    The onus is on you to support your claims not vice versa.

    No its up to you to investigate, not just dismissing everything because you think the world is full of lemon drops and daisy's!
    No the statement is that there potentially isn't enough officers in the UK with firearms training to police the Olympics, and it may be cheaper and more efficient to bring in foreign police officers for the three weeks of the games.

    Really so they don't already train their own police officers?
    Wanna place a bet?

    OK how much?
    You'd think they'd put it on a station that y'know people watch then.

    Thats whats its their for don't just take my word for it go watch it Sky channel 123!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Really do you watch Fox news? RTE, Sky and others believe them more?



    Go watch it!!!



    No its up to you to investigate, not just dismissing everything because you think the world is full of lemon drops and daisy's!



    Really so they don't already train their own police officers?



    OK how much?



    Thats whats its their for don't just take my word for it go watch it Sky channel 123!


    If you can't show a credible link stating that Mexican police are patrolling the US you have zero credibility.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Really do you watch Fox news? RTE, Sky and others believe them more?

    See what you're doing is rather juvenile. Because I don't trust X, then I must trust Y. It's a logical fallacy.
    Go watch it!!!

    Show me a photo.
    No its up to you to investigate, not just dismissing everything because you think the world is full of lemon drops and daisy's!

    Really no. Running around trying to disprove stupid claims isn't a useful use of my time. I've been to new york, I didn't see any Mexican cops.
    Really so they don't already train their own police officers?

    The article says that the British Police have 6,000 officers trained to use firearms. Less than 1/6th of the force. It says that they're investigating the possibility that it would be a better use of resources to possibly bring in trained firearms officers than to go through the expense and hassle of training additional officers with firearms training.
    OK how much?

    I'll give 200euro to the 2012 Santa Strike Force if armed foreign police are brought in for the Olympics in London, and they remain a constant presence after the games.

    Will you volunteer to do the same if they don't?
    Thats whats its their for don't just take my word for it go watch it Sky channel 123!

    I don't have bravo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Go watch it!!!

    I'd suggest you go watch it again - just a bit more carefully this time. Here's a helpful clue:

    Ex-pat Thai volunteer tourist warden uniform (as seen on your fave telly channel):
    howard431x300.jpg

    A random UK police force uniform:
    policedress_468x622.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Di0genes wrote: »
    See what you're doing is rather juvenile. Because I don't trust X, then I must trust Y. It's a logical fallacy.

    Well don't you?
    Show me a photo.

    Its not my job to try and prove to you! look it up your self!
    Really no. Running around trying to disprove stupid claims isn't a useful use of my time. I've been to new york, I didn't see any Mexican cops.

    So don't get involved in discussions if you don't believe it or don't agree.
    The article says that the British Police have 6,000 officers trained to use firearms. Less than 1/6th of the force. It says that they're investigating the possibility that it would be a better use of resources to possibly bring in trained firearms officers than to go through the expense and hassle of training additional officers with firearms training.

    Yes but can you imagine American Police on the UK streets? French, German even Afghan, would you except that if they end up here? READ THE LINES, The UK police commissioner saying here wants extra police that are none UK police!!!
    I'll give 200euro to the 2012 Santa Strike Force if armed foreign police are brought in for the Olympics in London, and they remain a constant presence after the games.

    Will you volunteer to do the same if they don't?

    Yes! lets up the bet say €1,000
    I don't have bravo.

    Well I do and I've watched it!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    I heard they're really avatars of the goat/lizard people, go look it up. you don't expect evidence do you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    alastair wrote: »
    I'd suggest you go watch it again - just a bit more carefully this time. Here's a helpful clue:

    Ex-pat Thai volunteer tourist warden uniform (as seen on your fave telly channel):


    A random UK police force uniform:

    Go watch it! look do you even think the Thai Government would allow this? to allow so called volunteer police run around the streets and show all the bad points of Thailand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Go watch it! look do you even think the Thai Government would allow this? to allow so called volunteer police run around the streets and show all the bad points of Thailand?

    I've seen it (unfortunately). They're not UK cops, they're not wearing UK uniforms, and they don't have Thai police powers (as I've already pointed you towards to the horse's mouth in that regard, you really ought to give up on that now).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »
    Well don't you?

    Well I judge an article or news piece on it's own merits.
    Its not my job to try and prove to you! look it up your self!

    Really it's not the way the world works.
    So don't get involved in discussions if you don't believe it or don't agree.

    It'd be a pretty boring world if people only had discussion with each other on topics they all agree on.
    Yes but can you imagine American Police on the UK streets? French, German even Afghan, would you except that if they end up here? READ THE LINES, The UK police commissioner saying here wants extra police that are none UK police!!!

    Okay firstly I'm assuming you mean "READ BETWEEN THE LINES".

    He's saying thats it's possible for a brief period in a few years time, over the course of a few weeks, they're investigating the idea of using foreign police to help deal with extraordinary circumstances.

    Hypothetically if they were to permanently remove police from their nationality to the UK, what would the countries they're taking them from do to cover their own short fall. And also how will the officers and their families like the idea of permanent relocation from their families and homes?
    Yes! lets up the bet say €1,000

    No. €200 is a decent amount of money.

    But lets make this fair. A side bet. I bet that if you lose you won't honour this bet. In fact I bet 20e to the Strike Force Fund, that you won't.
    Well I do and I've watched it!!

    Right and you missed the photo that Alaister put up, proving you completely wrong then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Well I judge an article or news piece on it's own merits.

    As long as it comes from RTE or other Irish media am I right?
    Really it's not the way the world works.

    No!!! if thats the case you must believe everything the Government says am I right? and if it is the case you believe that I feel sorry for you!
    It'd be a pretty boring world if people only had discussion with each other on topics they all agree on.

    You took part in a discussion taking it off topic and saying none of it is true, even dismissing Russia Today because they are Russian?
    Okay firstly I'm assuming you mean "READ BETWEEN THE LINES".

    No read the lines, then investigate.
    He's saying thats it's possible for a brief period in a few years time, over the course of a few weeks, they're investigating the idea of using foreign police to help deal with extraordinary circumstances.

    Its happening in other countries too! to protect people living in another country!
    Hypothetically if they were to permanently remove police from their nationality to the UK, what would the countries they're taking them from do to cover their own short fall. And also how will the officers and their families like the idea of permanent relocation from their families and homes?

    I don't think to many guards would care, they will be getting paid more! it would also mean less work!
    No. €200 is a decent amount of money.

    But lets make this fair. A side bet. I bet that if you lose you won't honour this bet. In fact I bet 20e to the Strike Force Fund, that you won't.

    I'm a man of my word! I will keep this bet!!!

    Right and you missed the photo that Alaister put up, proving you completely wrong then?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    alastair wrote: »
    I've seen it (unfortunately). They're not UK cops, they're not wearing UK uniforms, and they don't have Thai police powers (as I've already pointed you towards to the horse's mouth in that regard, you really ought to give up on that now).

    And they where taking part in taking down a prostitution ring why? not guards just tourist police?, wake up and see that not everything gets written down just to show people that this stuff is happening!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »
    As long as it comes from RTE or other Irish media am I right?

    Do you have a literacy problem?
    No!!! if thats the case you must believe everything the Government says am I right? and if it is the case you believe that I feel sorry for you!

    What is that non sequitur.

    Seriously. Can I recommend a book for you?

    %7B136CE181-A451-4904-BBBD-8F9981AB25E2%7DImg100.jpg


    Because I don't believe you, it doesn't equate that I automatically trust another source.
    You took part in a discussion taking it off topic and saying none of it is true, even dismissing Russia Today because they are Russian?

    No. Again Seriously do you have a literacy problem? I distrust Russia Today because it's a government run (not state government) that espouses the Kremlin's line, it also regularly hosts conspiracy loons and wingnuts.
    No read the lines, then investigate.

    Ah that answers my question about literacy.
    Its happening in other countries too! to protect people living in another country!

    Only the examples you've provided are untrue or misleading so you're not really winning this argument.
    I don't think to many guards would care, they will be getting paid more! it would also mean less work!

    Wow.

    Sigh.

    Okay before I get into this. Firstly we're not talking about Garda (or Guards) we're talking about British Police. And how will they be being paid more? Where is that in your plethora of bad links?

    Look. I'll try this again. You're claiming foreign police are going to be moved permanently to the UK using the pretext of the Olympics.

    Lets use a hypothetical. Suppose a 1,000 police come from say Alabama, for the duration. How will Alabama cope with the permanent loss of 1,000 police officers? Will the officers who think they are going for a few weeks, be happy to stay forever? Will their families?
    I'm a man of my word! I will keep this bet!!!

    So you agree 200e to the Santa Strike force if you're wrong and there isn't a permanent large foreign police force in the UK brought in on the pretext of the Olympics but still in place this time in two years?
    Right and you missed the photo that Alaister put up, proving you completely wrong then?

    The Photo Audiomad?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Back on Topic......

    I looked at the first MTV video, then came across this one linked to it, take a look at 1:17 if nothing else and listen to the shock in his voice as he read's.


    I wouldn't consider the onion news network a reliable source! :pac::pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    yekahs wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider the onion news network a reliable source! :pac::pac:

    Oh man that's a classic. Stundied!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Oh man that's a classic. Stundied!

    Does onion not mean that you have to peel back the layers :confused::confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Does onion not mean that you have to peel back the layers :confused::confused:

    No JUST READ THE LINES!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    yekahs wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider the onion news network a reliable source! :pac::pac:


    Haha I didn't realise, I got a friendly PM telling me what I'd done.
    I never heard of onion before Now:o.

    Ok I put my hands up...................Everybody Happy.....????

    Edit:

    I didn't even notice the onion-span, well hopefully it won't happen again.

    EDITEDIT:

    Shakey don't be putting up false accusations about me, I don't know where you got that video, I looked back through the thread and couldn't find it ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Haha I didn't realise, I got a friendly PM telling me what I'd done.
    I never heard of onion before Now:o.

    Ok I put my hands up...................Everybody Happy.....????

    When you can't tell when somethigns a piss take of things your meant to believe in you need to evaluate your world view.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    fontanalis wrote: »
    When you can't tell when somethigns a piss take of things your meant to believe in you need to evaluate your world view.

    And when you can't spell you shouldn't write...........

    I watched the video, I actually thought it was from C-SPAN, I didn't notice the onion instaed of C, so because of this I need to change my world view to your's?...............

    And Please don't try make this the topic of the thread, if you want to say anything to me PM me....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Audiomad


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Do you have a literacy problem?

    No!
    What is that non sequitur.

    Seriously. Can I recommend a book for you?

    Because I don't believe you, it doesn't equate that I automatically trust another source.

    Go back and look at your own words, stating how to world works or at least how you think it works!
    No. Again Seriously do you have a literacy problem? I distrust Russia Today because it's a government run (not state government) that espouses the Kremlin's line, it also regularly hosts conspiracy loons and wingnuts.

    Do you understand Governments have power of media all media! you use Russia Today and the Kremlin as a way to make your point of view right!
    Ah that answers my question about literacy.

    Does it?
    Only the examples you've provided are untrue or misleading so you're not really winning this argument.

    As I said stop taking it off topic! I have my own points of view. You pick up one point and try and make your view right. Don't get involved if you cant even make reference to the original post!
    Wow.

    Sigh.

    Okay before I get into this. Firstly we're not talking about Garda (or Guards) we're talking about British Police. And how will they be being paid more? Where is that in your plethora of bad links?

    Have you no common sense?
    Look. I'll try this again. You're claiming foreign police are going to be moved permanently to the UK using the pretext of the Olympics.

    As I stated its happening everywhere!
    Lets use a hypothetical. Suppose a 1,000 police come from say Alabama, for the duration. How will Alabama cope with the permanent loss of 1,000 police officers? Will the officers who think they are going for a few weeks, be happy to stay forever? Will their families?

    You think people won't agree to move?

    So you agree 200e to the Santa Strike force if you're wrong and there isn't a permanent large foreign police force in the UK brought in on the pretext of the Olympics but still in place this time in two years?

    Yes! look at other countries and you will see that this will be the next craze to stop crime! Its happening in Germany a country that has had foreign troops run the country do you think they would be allowing foreign police without there being another reason to it? do you? wake up mate see whats happening in the world, RTE and other media are not going to tell you everything they cant as they are controlled by Governments. RT is not the only station saying this look at Press TV and Al Jazeera.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭TalkieWalkie


    WE GO THERE, THEY COME HERE

    By Tom Brady Security Editor

    Tuesday August 03 2010

    HIGHLY trained members of the Garda's elite squad -- the Emergency Response Unit -- could be deployed on foreign streets as a result of a change in the law.

    The legislative measure, currently being drafted, will allow the ERU to be dispatched to another European state to help local police tackle a terrorist or criminal-related crisis.

    It will also give the go-ahead for the authorities here to request the assistance of a special intervention unit from another European force if this country is confronted by a similar crisis.

    The legislation is being introduced to bring Ireland into line with the law in other countries.

    The measure was initiated in the EU following the 9/11 and Madrid terrorist attacks.

    But it can only be used where a member state's own emergency-response teams are unable to cope with a particular crisis and seek help from elsewhere in the EU.

    It does not cover natural disasters, such as earthquakes or floods.

    A member state can seek such specialist assistance where a criminal or terrorist offence poses a serious threat to the security of the country.

    Security officials last night acknowledged it was unlikely the measure would be used by the Government here unless there was a threatened total breakdown in law and order.

    However, some other EU states are in favour of seeking outside police help.

    A spokesman for Justice Minister Dermot Ahern said it was important to bring our laws into line with the EU.

    "There is always the threat, however remote, of a terrorist outrage and it is important that we have the legal certainty in place to provide for assistance, if required.

    "Or, more importantly, be in a position to offer help to our friends in Europe," he added.

    The change amending the law has been included in the new Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill.

    Attack

    The risk level for a major terrorist attack is officially classified here as low.

    However, considerable resources are provided by the Garda Special Branch and military intelligence in monitoring the activity here of suspected sympathisers of international terror groups.

    Most of the suspects living here are regarded as more likely to be involved in logistics than operations. In the past, some of them have been involved in facilitating funding or forging documentation to help active terror cells based elsewhere.

    Earlier this year, gardai made a number of arrests in the south-east as part of international inquiries in what became known as the 'Jihad Jane' plot into the suspected planning of a terror attack on controversial Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks.

    Tom Brady Security Editor

    Irish Independent
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-get-new-powers-to-tackle-terrorists-overseas-2281787.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

    As for my reply here...
    The legislative measure, currently being drafted, will allow the ERU to be dispatched to another European state to help local police tackle a terrorist or criminal-related crisis.

    It will also give the go-ahead for the authorities here to request the assistance of a special intervention unit from another European force if this country is confronted by a similar crisis.
    If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    gizmo wrote: »
    There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

    As for my reply here...


    If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.


    But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    uprising2 wrote: »
    But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.
    Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭TalkieWalkie


    gizmo wrote: »
    Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.

    There is no threat of terror.. It's bullsh!t it doesn't wash with me, don't give me that crap. The whole war on terror and terror itself was created by bushes mates for their own agenda. Which is, for folk like yourself to fear terror and accept just about any measure of security they suggest :rolleyes: . Hook line and sinker. Terror my arse, they are the only terrorists.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    gizmo wrote: »
    Nothing which you have described constitutes a terrorist or criminal-related crisis though. Also note it's extremely specific in what kind of units are allowed to operate inside our borders, this isn't the regular army, these are specifically special intervention units such as the German GSG-9.

    Thing's can change and always do, what starts off as "only for terrorist crisis" then get's expanded upon and add's new situations where they can be used including public order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    gizmo wrote: »
    There was a rather lengthy thread regarding all this in AH of all places which basically ripped it to shreds.

    As for my reply here...


    If we were faced with a crisis such as this I think it's a great thing that we'd be able to call in personnel, whether they are specially trained operatives or merely advisors, from some of the best counter terrorist forces in Europe. Now if you'd prefer to risk the lives of our own citizens by perhaps denying our forces this aid I think that's a far more serious issue to discuss.


    Can you give any examples of '' criminal-related crisis ''


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    There is no threat of terror.. It's bullsh!t it doesn't wash with me, don't give me that crap. The whole war on terror and terror itself was created by bushes mates for their own agenda. Which is, for folk like yourself to fear terror and accept just about any measure of security they suggest :rolleyes: . Hook line and sinker. Terror my arse, they are the only terrorists.
    Exactly, there is no threat of terror therefore there is no need to call them in. Should that change for whatever reason, then I think it's nice that we are able to call in such help if required.

    I won't deal with the accusation that the terror itself was manufactured as I believe that's a pile of ****. I certainly won't disagree, however, that the "War on Terror" wasn't exaggerated immensely.
    uprising2 wrote: »
    Thing's can change and always do, what starts off as "only for terrorist crisis" then get's expanded upon and add's new situations where they can be used including public order.
    These measures won't be extended to include public order and never will be. Any assertions to the contrary will be able to accurate as the claim that there'll be foreign police on the street in the UK both during and after the Olympics.
    Can you give any examples of '' criminal-related crisis ''
    Nope, but thankfully we haven't really experienced any serious ones in recent memory. The only one of note was the incident with the ERU in Abbeylara which, ironically enough, despite the scale of the "crisis" was then subject to a lengthy Tribunal charged with investigating the events that occurred. You think a nation which goes to those lengths over a tiny incident like this would suddenly bring foreign troops onto our soil? If so then to be quite honest I'd be far more sacred of that person than I would be of anything else. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭TalkieWalkie


    gizmo wrote: »
    Exactly, there is no threat of terror therefore there is no need to call them in. Should that change for whatever reason, then I think it's nice that we are able to call in such help if required.

    I don't know if you are aware of this, likely not. There is a global political awakening occurring. People are waking and are tired of their governments. These anti terror forces will not be used to combat terror, they will be used to combat free speech, rights, freedom and to instil fear on regular people.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Where would it leave the North?

    The terrorists up there both Loyalist and Republican have both strong and proven ties to MI5 and the RUC/RIC through the FRU and others. How would that work when those policing are the terrorists?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    I don't know if you are aware of this, likely not. There is a global political awakening occurring. People are waking and are tired of their governments. These anti terror forces will not be used to combat terror, they will be used to combat free speech, rights, freedom and to instil fear on regular people.
    No they won't and to be quite honest, I regard your (not you personally but this general CT movement) particular brand of fear-mongering to be just as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power.

    You want to know what instills fear in people? People like Alex Jones reporting that FEMA have just bought 500k plastic coffins because they're "expecting something to happen". Now while both you and he may believe this, I'll continue sitting here drinking my coffee bemused at the notion and 50 years from now I'll probably be sitting in a similar position in a (hopefully) nicer house drinking my (hopefully) nicer coffee still bemused at the notion that you think the government is planning on wiping a bunch of us out.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    Audiomad wrote: »


    Do you understand Governments have power of media all media!

    Hmmm Again I'm not sure what "power of media all media" actually means, but hey, lets assume you mean "power over all media"

    Lets not forget you started this thread saying that that MTV are making a point about the threat of martial law, and then you say that government control all media.

    Lets look at the level of irony here.

    1) You think it's possible that there's a global attempt at martial law.

    And

    2) You think governments control all media.

    yet you

    A) Also think MTV and RT are warning you about this.

    B) Russia today and MTV are, because of your own logic, are controlled by the same governments that want martial law, and control the media.

    Do you understand this or shall I break out fingerpuppets?

    Have you no common sense?

    Is that your only rebuttal? Your claim is that domestic police will be paid more when foreign police are brought in to take over a specialist job.

    Logically that makes no sense. Why would police be paid more if foreigners come over to do specialist jobs?

    If we take the obvious example of firearms officers. The British police have 6,000 firearms officers. A adequate amount. The suggest is that they may need more firearms officers for a month long period in 2012. Instead of training a few thousand officers with skills they'll only need for a few weeks, at vast expense, it could be cheaper to bring in the officers from abroad.
    As I stated its happening everywhere!

    And yet you've not provided any examples.
    You think people won't agree to move?

    Yes. Yes I do. Is that so hard to understand. These people will have roots. Pensions. Children in schools. Moving expenses. Flights.

    Don't you have any common sense?
    Yes! look at other countries and you will see that this will be the next craze to stop crime! Its happening in Germany a country that has had foreign troops run the country

    Yeah I think Germany was forced to allow foreign troops to run the country after y'know the surrender terms of WW2, and as part of the fact that it was centre of the cold war in europe.
    do you think they would be allowing foreign police without there being another reason to it?

    Yes. Yes I do.
    do you? wake up mate see whats happening in the world, RTE and other media are not going to tell you everything they cant as they are controlled by Governments. RT is not the only station saying this look at Press TV and Al Jazeera.


    Can you provide examples. And please don't compare Press TV and Russia Today to with Al Jazeera. One of us has worked for Al Jazeera. And it's not you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    gizmo wrote: »
    You want to know what instills fear in people? People like Alex Jones reporting that FEMA have just bought 500k plastic coffins


    Could I also add. What in gods name why would you make a coffin out of freakin' plastic? Why make a coffin out of substance that will last longer than the remains stored in the coffin?

    It's one of the more idiotic claims made by Jones.

    Also 500k plastic coffins? Thats what a suburb of New Jersey? So why plan a 5 billion person genocide and only supply 1/100th the amount of coffins, and coffins which will take thousands of years to degraded?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Could I also add. What in gods name why would you make a coffin out of freakin' plastic? Why make a coffin out of substance that will last longer than the remains stored in the coffin?

    It's one of the more idiotic claims made by Jones.

    Also 500k plastic coffins? Thats what a suburb of New Jersey? So why plan a 5 billion person genocide and only supply 1/100th the amount of coffins, and coffins which will take thousands of years to degraded?

    1/10,000th I think you mean. Also you're going to end up in trouble with that logical thinking of yours.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    uprising2 wrote: »
    But you see the problem with foreign police/military is they have no family ties here, and would be much quicker to be sadistic basstards on the general public, if the general public were faced with something worth taking to the streets for, as Gardai and Irish Army would probably have family members on the opposing side, and may even agree with the opposing side's moral view.

    Really no. There are countless examples of police acting sadistically towards their own community. And plenty of examples of police acting decently within or without their own community. Suggesting that people will automatically react violently an viciously in this situation shows that you have have superior attitude to people.

    You should look across the border at the work of the Ombudsman in the PSNI, to see how this works


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭TalkieWalkie


    gizmo wrote: »
    No they won't and to be quite honest, I regard your (not you personally but this general CT movement) particular brand of fear-mongering to be just as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power.

    It doesn't surprise me that you don't believe it would happen. But it has been proven it has happened many times before. Governments have started many wars under false pretences for their own agenda's, resulting in the deaths of millions of their own and the oppositions people.
    Why would you be surprised if it happened again ?

    I don't see it as scaremongering but more making people aware. The one thing that is "as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power" is sleeple (not you personally:p) that don't seem to know about this stuff and when you are told about it, you outright deny it and think it could never happen again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    It doesn't surprise me that you don't believe it would happen. But it has been proven it has happened many times before. Governments have started many wars under false pretences for their own agenda's, resulting in the deaths of millions of their own and the oppositions people.
    Why would you be surprised if it happened again ?
    Except none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand? You claimed that due to this "global political awakening" foreign police forces are going to be used to subdue the local populace. In the context of this thread that means the US (due to the MTV ad) and here in Ireland (due to the Indo piece). All I am saying is that this is not going to happen. Not one iota.
    I don't see it as scaremongering but more making people aware. The one thing that is "as detrimental as Bush's was when he was in power" is sleeple (not you personally:p) that don't seem to know about this stuff and when you are told about it, you outright deny it and think it could never happen again.
    That's exactly what the Bush administration said with the alert system, they claim they just want to make people more "aware" and more "alert" when in actual fact all they're doing is making people more afraid.

    If you want to make people more ware then try and concentrate on the facts. For instance, FEMA, the big bad government agency which is whispered about like it's going to bring about the end of the world, has been in existence for 31 years. That's 31 years without harming the US population. Quite the contrary in fact, as they've provided aid at several natural disasters across the US.

    Call me a sheeple or whatever term you have for people who don't buy into this bull****, I really don't care. The fact of the matter is when people like Alex Jones are on their deathbed, still shouting about the government being out to get them, the rest of us will be continuing on with our lives and not constantly looking over our shoulders for some imaginary boogieman who is out to get them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Sure if you don't also mind, if the next time you get indignant about someone pointing out that you're a racist, when you start another thread about Judaism or Israeli, which are the only threads you start on this board. I'd say "that'll show you" but I don't think you possess the shame gene.

    I think Bombers rightful anger/indignatoin is directed to towards psychotic zionist's and their willing servents/henchmen/murderer's, Judaism has good and bad people, Israeli's are a mix of both also. As are all people's.

    zionist's on the other hand are a pack of racist/facist/scumbags of the highest order, I've seen Bombers posts, never have I heard him say a bad word about an Israeli simply for being an Israeli or a member of the Judaism faith simply for being a member of that faith.

    I believe me and Bomber would be on the same wavelenght concerning zionism.

    Both of us have posted positive things about Israeli's and members of the Judiaism faith who oppose what their zionist masters wishes.

    The zionist heirachy are a pack of psychopathic idiot's, that not all Israeli's are in line with, some refuse military service and face public damnation in their own communities, some speak out openly about crimes they committed under order and are also shunned in their communities

    Israel (the zionist regime that controls the state) are a dirty bunch of mass murderer's, who for some fukked up reason believe they have a right to slaughter innocent people when the psychotic impulses kick in on a regular basis.

    That's not racism, it's anti racism, the zionists are racists for all to see (well some with eyes to see).

    Some misguided fool's often talk about Usrael as being the only democracy in the middle east, but stolen land is a very poor example of democracy.

    Some Israeli groups we've praised amongst other's are:

    http://december18th.org/



    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

    Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

    Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm


    Breaking the Silence
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    http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp


    If it were racism, we would view these brave conscious people who are Israeli's and most probably member's of the Judaism faith the exact same way we view the zionist murderers, but we don't, so I'd expect the racist slur to be withdrawn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    uprising2 wrote: »
    zionist's on the other hand are a pack of racist/facist/scumbags of the highest order

    ...

    Israel (the zionist regime that controls the state) are a dirty bunch of mass murderer's, who for some fukked up reason believe they have a right to slaughter innocent people when the psychotic impulses kick in on a regular basis.

    That's not racism, it's anti racism, the zionists are racists for all to see (well some with eyes to see)..

    Well - with that compelling argument, I can see clearly now that an obsession with Israel is nothing to do with bigotry, but with dirty murderous psychotic zionists - seemingly entailing anyone who does their national service in the IDF and votes for a party that advocates Israeli independence (for that's all zionism actually involves).

    And please - Neturei Karta? That's the 'tradition' that you offer in opposition to scary zionism? You are aware that they don't approve of the state of Israel in any form until the coming of the Messiah? - they're the Jewish equivalent of the Christian nuts who expect the rapture and apocalypse any day now.


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