Sony Announcement

Crispin

Just unveiled 4 new cameras:

link

I am getting the A55 for sure. Reviews look promising and reasonably priced too.

DaireQuinlan

Crispin wrote: »

Just unveiled 4 new cameras:

link

I am getting the A55 for sure. Reviews look promising and reasonably priced too.

Looks like a technological workaround for a problem that camera manufacturers have created themselves by insisting on mirrorless cameras in the first place. The solution ... add a mirror ??!? Albeit a mirror that 'only' robs 30% of your light. ALL THE TIME :eek:

I reckon it's a non-starter. Kludgey compromise. Sooner rather than later they'll perfect some sort of phase detection AF directly off the sensor and this'll be delegated to the tech garbage can of history.

Interestingly enough, Canon used to have a pellicle mirror based SLR system back in the day, for super fast sports shooting. One of the limitations to fast FPS was the mirror flapping around the place, so a pellicle mirror solved the problem rather neatly. I don't think it ever really sold.

Fajitas!

I find it funny that they're making such a big deal about fixed mirrors, when Canon & Nikon were doing it in the 90's, for example;

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOS-RT/index.htm

Crispin

Fajitas! wrote: »

I find it funny that they're making such a big deal about fixed mirrors, when Canon & Nikon were doing it in the 90's, for example;

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOS-RT/index.htm

Maybe they are making such a big deal because although it existed in the 90's it is not around today. This could be great. Reviews are promising. So what what if they are revisiting old tech. Who cares if it makes a good camera. :rolleyes:

Tallon

Crispin wrote: »

I am getting the A55 for sure. Reviews look promising and reasonably priced too.

Me too, I was reading the DPreview this morning and I was drooling the whole way through

I want I want

Crispin

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

I reckon it's a non-starter. Kludgey compromise. Sooner rather than later they'll perfect some sort of phase detection AF directly off the sensor and this'll be delegated to the tech garbage can of history.
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:rolleyes: What new technology doesn't get superseded?

Fajitas!

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

Looks like a technological workaround for a problem that camera manufacturers have created themselves by insisting on mirrorless cameras in the first place. The solution ... add a mirror ??!? Albeit a mirror that 'only' robs 30% of your light. ALL THE TIME :eek:

Gah, didn't refresh to see your post before posting my own.

Crispin wrote: »

Maybe they are making such a big deal because although it existed in the 90's it is not around today. This could be great. Reviews are promising. So what what if they are revisiting old tech. Who cares if it makes a good camera. :rolleyes:

Because they claim it's 'a world first in technology'. It's not.

Crispin

Fajitas! wrote: »

Because they claim it's 'a world first in technology'. It's not.

Meh, it's new to me It's total camera porn for me, my a200 will be looking for a new home as soon as I sell a kidney or 2

Besides, I am sure something in there represents a worlds first. Sony lawyers will have seen to that

DaireQuinlan

Crispin wrote: »

Maybe they are making such a big deal because although it existed in the 90's it is not around today. This could be great. Reviews are promising. So what what if they are revisiting old tech. Who cares if it makes a good camera.

It was pretty much abandoned back in the 90's because it was too much of a compromise, plus they overcame some of the difficulties inherent in the swinging mirror as the technology improved as well, making it less relevent. But the problems with it still exist today. Namely, that you're losing 30% of your light. The corollory being that only 30% of the available light is going to the AF sensors. This means that they'll probably hunt in poor light much more. I'm guessing that if you're shooting video with AF that you won't be able to stop down as well.

Fajitas! wrote: »

Because they claim it's 'a world first in technology'. It's not.

actually if you check the actual Sony releases they're careful to claim that it's the worlds first pellicle mirror "IN A DIGITAL CAMERA !!!!!" Nothing like little weaselly marketing qualifications.

dakar

Crispin wrote: »

Besides, I am sure something in there represents a worlds first. Sony lawyers will have seen to that

'World's first camera with this groundbreaking technology that has the letters S, O, N and Y on it'

Tallon

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

actually if you check the actual Sony releases they're careful to claim that it's the worlds first pellicle mirror "IN A DIGITAL CAMERA !!!!!" Nothing like little weaselly marketing qualifications.

who cares?

"Oh he did it first"

It's here, that's all that matters...

It's an amazing camera for an pretty good price. Even if it was canon, nikon or fisher price, I'd still get it as it has pretty much everything I want int a camera

Actually can't wait

DaireQuinlan

Tallon wrote: »

It's an amazing camera for an pretty good price. Even if it was canon, nikon or fisher price, I'd still get it as it has pretty much everything I want int a camera

So long as what you want in a camera is a 1 stop ND filter permanently fixed in front of the sensor, I'd agree

Crispin

I want a Fisher Price camera that does 10fps. Amazing. I would switch brands tomorrow.....

DaireQuinlan

Crispin wrote: »

I want a Fisher Price camera that does 10fps. Amazing. I would switch brands tomorrow.....

here ya go ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PXL-2000

Crispin

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

here ya go ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PXL-2000

Thanks a mil......

*goes to ebay*

For sale;
Sony alpha a200
Sigma 10-20
Sigma 70-300
Minolta 50

thefly

Sony cameras are just brutal. Why anybody would chose Sony over Canon or Nikon is beyond me.

They are the only 2 brands worth having

DaireQuinlan

thefly wrote: »

Sony cameras are just brutal. Why anybody would chose Sony over Canon or Nikon is beyond me.

They are the only 2 brands worth having

Thread self-destructs into fanboism in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ....

Calina

Get thee back in the vague area of discussing new Sony Cameras, not camera brand tribal wars,

Crispin

Aren't sony cameras nice?

magicbastarder

so would i be right in thinking that this technology will only be an improvement for those who shoot in continuous mode?
does the mirror flip up when shooting in single mode?

DaireQuinlan

magicbastarder wrote: »

so would i be right in thinking that this technology will only be an improvement for those who shoot in continuous mode?
does the mirror flip up when shooting in single mode?

nope, this isn't an SLR. the mirror is there purely to divert light to the AF sensors. There's also no optical viewfinder, there's an EVF reading off the main sensor.

magicbastarder

ah jaysus. so it's just a big compact camera, so to speak.