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Expulsion of Roma Gypsies From France

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    #692
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    gurramok wrote: »
    Deporting illegals.

    Yeah, go ahead and ignore the entire point of the article that you posted:
    Germany denies plan to deport Roma migrants

    --SNIP--
    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle yesterday contradicted remarks by French President Nicolas Sarkozy that Chancellor Angela Merkel had told him that she intended to clear Roma camps in the coming weeks.

    Westerwelle said the Chancellor had informed him that there was no such discussion with Sarkozy at the European Union summit in Brussels on Thursday. "There are no such plans. I think this is a misunderstanding," he told journalists in Berlin.
    --SNIP--

    Above emphasis mine.


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    #693
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    wes wrote: »
    Well, everyone should be equal under the law you see.

    They're all illegal, why does it matter who goes first?


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    #694
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    wes wrote: »
    Yeah, go ahead and ignore the entire point of the article that you posted:

    Above emphasis mine.

    No plans to dismantle camps. Plenty of deporting illegals including Roma happening.


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    #695
    Laminations
    Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    http://blog.rosalux-europa.info/2010/01/29/a-cold-welcome/


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    #696
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    They're all illegal, why does it matter who goes first?

    They aren't all illegal and a second problem is the government have told the police to target one ethnic group over all others. Thats discrimination, plain and simple.


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    #697
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Laminations wrote: »
    They are prioritising the already illegal Roma are they not?

    No. They are prioritising Roma full stop, illegal or not.


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    #698
    Laminations
    Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    No. They are prioritising Roma full stop, illegal or not.

    Firstly, does anyone on this thread (e.g. P Breathnach, Nodin) agree with this statement?

    Secondly, can anyone on this thread provide proof for this statement as the poster has been asked several times and has so far failed?


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    #699
    opo
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    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    So equality before the law is a matter of administrative convenience? Is it not at least as convenient to target other non-French groups?

    I'm sure they could have discussed that issue until everyone died of old age in the camps.
    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    I'm 'attacking' the French (a country I lived in and visit regularly) because I think this policy stinks and is the anthitisis of the concept of the French Republic and its ideals. .

    Whereas the camps are the very essence of the French Republic and its ideals - right?
    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    The last time this concept was invoked, 8m people were gassed.

    If you are correct;

    Last time: 8m gassed.

    This time - few thousand flown home with the price of a return ticket and the equivalent of a months wages.

    The next time - who knows - an apartment in Barbados - a round the world tour and a Ferrari perhaps for a select few.

    Pity for them you are so fundamentally wrong.


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    #700
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    opo posted....
    The next time - who knows - an apartment in Ballymun - a round the world tour and a Ferrari perhaps for a select few.

    Thats better.....:)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #701
    wes
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    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    They're all illegal, why does it matter who goes first?

    It matters in that there was a target to get rid of the camps, and the Roma would be targetted more so than any others. The law should treat all equally, and the basis for who to go after should have nothing to do with ethnicity.


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    #702
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    gurramok wrote: »
    No plans to dismantle camps. Plenty of deporting illegals including Roma happening.

    Still ignoring the whole point of the article you linked. Truly astonishing...


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    #703
    [Deleted User]
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    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    They're all illegal, why does it matter who goes first?

    As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter about the legality of the immigrants. Its simply the issue of putting a priority on a portion of the deportations. So this thread isn't so much a defense of the Roma being deported but rather that anyone is being deported before the others.

    There is also the assumption that the French Government will not reach the full target, and therefore only the Roma will be deported, and nobody else.


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    #704
    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Like yekas said in the OP it's an uncomfortable situation and there's little doubt that the Roma are being targeted above other groups. That said my experience with the Roma is all bad and that includes half or Europe and Romania itself. So if there is a group of illegals to be sent home I'd pick the Roma to go first.


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    #705
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    wes wrote: »
    Still ignoring the whole point of the article you linked. Truly astonishing...

    And what was that?


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    #706
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    gurramok wrote: »
    And what was that?

    Its in the article. I see no need to explain it.


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    #707
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    The point is have to start somewhere and i would want them all out aswell with those awful camps and dirt floating around.Shanty towns?

    Remember when travelers would try to drive into your area to camp and the parents would block the roads in so they couldn't.


    Good for France.

    @ Wes where are you from if you dont mind me asking?


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    #708
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    caseyann wrote: »
    @ Wes where are you from if you dont mind me asking?

    As you can see from my Location:

    Dublin, Ireland.


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    #709
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    wes wrote: »
    As you can see from my Location:

    Dublin, Ireland.

    Ah but you arent Irish born,are you? :confused::p


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    #710
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    caseyann wrote: »
    Ah but you arent Irish born,are you? :confused::p

    I am Irish born, and lived here my whole life.


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    #711
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    wes wrote: »
    I am Irish born, and lived here my whole life.

    My bad you just seem very vocal for Muslims and non Irish and your amount of knowledge is exceedingly high like you have some relation to such causes, and i thought your origins of another country.:)
    But then again if you were from some of the countries i had thought from, you wouldnt be as vocal for roma as they hate them.


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    #712
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    caseyann wrote: »
    Ah but you arent Irish born,are you? :confused::p

    What, precisely, has that to do with anything?


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    #713
    therewillbe
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭therewillbe


    Fair play to the French for having the bottle to get rid of them.Probably fearing a rise in support for JM Le Pens NF.Anyway nobody I talk to wants them here in Ireland ,so lets get the Coaches and planes ready.


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    #714
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Nodin wrote: »
    What, precisely, has that to do with anything?

    Mind your own business Nodin,Wes and i always get on i was merely asking a question.


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    #715
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    therewillbe wrote: »
    Fair play to the French for having the bottle to get rid of them.Probably fearing a rise in support for JM Le Pens NF.Anyway nobody I talk to wants them here in Ireland ,so lets get the Coaches and planes ready.

    See the problem is here is they arent forced to go to school as kids when they do arrive in a country.Which they should be and if they dont adhere to these laws out they go.
    If it was settled people you would be in prison and kids taken off you.


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    #716
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    caseyann wrote: »
    Mind your own business Nodin,Wes and i always get on i was merely asking a question.

    I'm merely asking a question. If you don't want questions asked, don't post in a thread open to the public.

    Again - I fail to see the relevance of peoples origins to a thread on the French expulsion of the Roma.


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    #717
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    No. They are prioritising Roma full stop, illegal or not.
    Laminations wrote: »
    Firstly, does anyone on this thread (e.g. P Breathnach, Nodin) agree with this statement?

    Secondly, can anyone on this thread provide proof for this statement as the poster has been asked several times and has so far failed?

    I already did did some work on this question for you, and posted it: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68117565&postcount=559 . In my opinion, facsimile copies of official directions given to the French police should be high on the evidential scale -- rather more than unsubstantiated assertions such as claims that the operation is directed at all illegals. The instruction of 5 August to prioritise on the Roma, and setting a target number of camps that is about 65% of the total number of camps has the effect of selective application of law based on ethnicity.


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    #718
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm merely asking a question. If you don't want questions asked, don't post in a thread open to the public.

    Again - I fail to see the relevance of peoples origins to a thread on the French expulsion of the Roma.

    It was for merely curiosity purposes as i see wes writing and he comes across as not Irish in sense of origins.
    Sorry for jumping at you but you usually ask me something to have a go at me.


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    #719
    therewillbe
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭therewillbe


    I dont care about them,Right to go to School,Sod that Our own Children are allready in overcrowed classrooms.The point is ,Get them and any other illlegals out of here.I dont mind helping out if required .


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    #720
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    caseyann wrote: »
    Mind your own business Nodin,Wes and i always get on i was merely asking a question.

    An argument stands or falls on its own merits, and not on the identity of the poster.

    The principles outlined here have general applicability: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=65437220&postcount=7 . In particular, note;
    "I'm just asking" is not a defence.


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    #721
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    therewillbe wrote: »
    I dont care about them,Right to go to School,Sod that Our own Children are allready in overcrowed classrooms.The point is ,Get them and any other illlegals out of here.I dont mind helping out if required .

    There is apparently 3000 roma in Ireland.
    If they arent schooled here and arent living up to the laws of the land they shouldnt be allowed.Also that tribal control of the women should not be allowed or out they go.
    Then they will never be properly integrated or educated to give to the country.



    Only about 30% of Roma children in Ireland attend school. This is a consequence of a range of multi dimensional and interrelated factors that can include lack of encouragement and sufficient support, the little or negative experience of many Roma parents from their own school experience, including in some instances their exclusion from mainstream school in eastern and central Europe.

    Ninety five per cent of Roma women cannot read or write in any language. And approximately 85% of the Roma population in general are illiterate. Parents cannot assist their children with their homework and are unaware of the day to day workings of a school.

    There are specific educational issues for Roma girls and women. Roma girls marry at young age and the emphasis is on the traditional role for women. This can result in Roma girls being withdrawn from the formal education system at the age of puberty.

    As an adult, a Roma woman usually needs a husband's permission to attend adult courses, to be away from the home and to socialise with different people - especially other men. Lack of childcare is another major barrier for Roma women becoming in involved in education.


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