Filthy perv filming young women on Dublin's streets

ordinary_girl · 25-08-2010 3:40pm

Ugh, I just realised I walked by him in one of those videos (but gladly wasn't the one being focused on). Might stay off Grafton Street for a bit! I wouldn't go into a frenzy about it. Yes, it's creepy, but there are worse things.

Also, I think he has a camera in a bag, in one of the videos you can see a sort of dark fabric appear around the lense at certain angles, and it would explain how he got that creepily close footage of the girl in Bus Aras.

Kintarō Hattori · 25-08-2010 3:47pm

Ellaball wrote: »

Ffs are you serious? Typical response to this kind of debate :rolleyes:

Are you seriously trying to say that women don't dress to attract men (not rapists)? Give me a good reason why a woman would go to the effort of waxing her legs, applying fake tan and then wearing a short skirt to go into town and do some shopping?

Actually it's long been established that a lot of women dress with the intention of impressing other women rather than men. One upmanship and all that.

Lumen · 25-08-2010 3:51pm

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Actually it's long been established that a lot of women dress with the intention of impressing other women rather than men. One upmanship and all that.

Lesbians, the lot of 'em!

or have I missed the point?

RobbieTheRobber · 25-08-2010 3:52pm

prinz wrote: »

Entirely different scenario. You have a legitimate reason to be taking a picture. Following girls around Dublin to secretly film them, for no reason other than sexual gratification is not the same thing. There is massive difference between photographing say the GPO and catching people walking by incidentally and what these videos portray.
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There may be a massive difference but the same laws protect them, banning one would affect the other

prinz wrote: »

There are legal ways of going about it.

Such as?

craggles · 25-08-2010 3:54pm

A useful internet forum would find out who it is and make a show of him

Twilightning · 25-08-2010 3:56pm

craggles wrote: »

A useful internet forum would find out who it is and make a show of him

I don't think even 4chan would be able to crack the case :pac:

craggles · 25-08-2010 3:58pm

Yeah there's not much to go on really. He's obviously got a camera in a rolled up newspaper or sticking out the bottom of his jacket or something.

prinz · 25-08-2010 4:00pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Such as?

If I noticed him filming others I would report him to gardaí for filming underage kids. Even if it turned out he wasn't it would bring his activities to garda attention, although some of the girls could be.

If I noticed him filming myself/OH, report him to gardaí under S.5 Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act for engaging in offensive conduct, or S.6 of the same, for engaging in reckless behaviour which may result in a breach of the peace. Again gardaí can take it from there.

ordinary_girl · 25-08-2010 4:02pm

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Actually it's long been established that a lot of women dress with the intention of impressing other women rather than men. One upmanship and all that.

Yep. It's competitiveness between women, usually the same reason why most women wear make-up too.

RobbieTheRobber · 25-08-2010 4:03pm

prinz wrote: »

If I noticed him filming others I would report him to gardaí for filming underage kids. Even if it turned out he wasn't it would bring his activities to garda attention, although some of the girls could be.

If I noticed him filming myself/OH, report him to gardaí under S.5 Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act for engaging in offensive conduct, or S.6 of the same, for engaging in reckless behaviour which may result in a breach of the peace. Again gardaí can take it from there.

Well not really the garda would be obliged to take statements from both you and him.

As for the claiming he was taking images of underage kids, is making false claims to garda not still a crime?

prinz · 25-08-2010 4:04pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

As for the claiming he was taking images of underage kids, is making false claims to garda not still a crime?

Not if I had a reasonable suspicion. Doesn't take much to go to a garda on Grafton St and mention it. It's not a statement.

OutlawPete · 25-08-2010 10:31pm

Bambi wrote: »

Does he do requests?

Yes, what would you like?

landsleaving · 25-08-2010 10:36pm

OutlawPete wrote: »

Yes, what would you like?

I cannot lie, I'd like big butts.

Please.

allthedoyles · 25-08-2010 10:43pm

prinz wrote: »

Not if I had a reasonable suspicion. Doesn't take much to go to a garda on Grafton St and mention it. It's not a statement.

A mention is useless - Gardai want a statement or nothing

There are keyfob mini-cam's on eBay for € 1.99 - spy camera's are everywhere today .

You can buy a spy-cam pen, watch , keyring etc on the www.

veryangryman · 25-08-2010 10:45pm

OutlawPete wrote: »

I'll do what I like :mad:

Made me laugh out loud. Distinct from lol'ing where people dont actually laugh out loud. Ah Pete, yer a rogue

King Felix · 25-08-2010 10:47pm

Funny thread.

Although the stalkerish element is a little odd, he's just using a little technology to do what the vast majority of blokes do on the streets of Dublin everday; admire women's backsides.

If that's as bad as he gets I'd say it was mostly harmless.

Sheeps · 25-08-2010 10:49pm

subscribed to his channel

E.T. · 25-08-2010 11:01pm

King Felix wrote: »

Funny thread.

Although the stalkerish element is a little odd, he's just using a little technology to do what the vast majority of blokes do on the streets of Dublin everday; admire women's backsides.

If that's as bad as he gets I'd say it was mostly harmless.

No - it's not a funny thread and it's definitely not harmless. From a woman's point of view it's a disturbing thread. He's not doing "what the vast majority of blokes do" - he's filming women without their knowledge or consent, and posting footage that footage on the internet. There's a hell of a difference.

I have no problem with someone admiring backsides - that's human nature. This footage is the start of something nasty. My sister was out in a club in Dublin recently, wearing a knee length skirt. She was standing on a staircase when her friend grabbed her arm - there was a guy standing below taking pictures up girls' skirts as they went up the stairs. This is the same kind of issue.

I couldn't care less what any consenting adult does as regards photos/videos, that's their business.

Who knows how old all of the girls in these videos are? Would any of you like if it was your sister/girlfriend/mother???????

King Felix · 25-08-2010 11:12pm

E.T. wrote: »

This footage is the start of something nasty.

Possibly.

And he's obviously an oddball.

But I don't see the harm.

ordinary_girl · 25-08-2010 11:20pm

King Felix wrote: »

Although the stalkerish element is a little odd, he's just using a little technology to do what the vast majority of blokes do on the streets of Dublin everday; admire women's backsides.

If that's as bad as he gets I'd say it was mostly harmless.

Agreed. It's really creepy, and I'm still a bit thrown off by the fact I happened to walk by when he was filming someone's ass, but it's not wildly different from what lads look at anyway when they're out.

It's weird that's he's actually filming it, but I don't think it's anything worth going crazy or getting worried about.

Macha · 25-08-2010 11:24pm

It's disgusting, creepy and the guy clearly has issues.

Anyone who thinks this sort of thing is in any way acceptable needs to reconsider.

TootFkingSweet · 25-08-2010 11:37pm

taconnol wrote: »

It's disgusting, creepy and the guy clearly has issues.

Anyone who thinks this sort of thing is in any way acceptable needs to reconsider.

I'm not supporting what this guy did, and it is creepy, but I think peolpe on this thread are only concerned because it occured in Dublin itself, if you look at related videos, its shockingly common, so, better make sure you're wearing your sunday bests on Grafton Street.

Macha · 25-08-2010 11:43pm

TootFkingSweet wrote: »

I'm not supporting what this guy did, and it is creepy, but I think peolpe on this thread are only concerned because it occured in Dublin itself, if you look at related videos, its shockingly common, so, better make sure you're wearing your sunday bests on Grafton Street.

Yes because as usual, the response to this sort of behaviour must be for the victims/women to adjust their behaviour. Women's bodies are not public property to be filmed in this insidious manner without their consent and the solution is not for women to "look good" for his videos or change their behaviour in any way. The solution is for him to stop.

TootFkingSweet · 26-08-2010 12:02am

taconnol wrote: »

Yes because as usual, the response to this sort of behaviour must be for the victims/women to adjust their behaviour. Women's bodies are not public property to be filmed in this insidious manner without their consent and the solution is not for women to "look good" for his videos or change their behaviour in any way. The solution is for him to stop.

okay, well look at it like this, these people are in a public area, are you rationalising that say, a tourist photographing the city, who happens to catch a passerby in a shot, is victimising them? I mean if you want to see victims, they arent on youtube. And what would your solution to this problem be? Nothing is going to really make this guy stop, surely its the thrill of it all that lures him to it.

E.T. · 26-08-2010 12:12am

Are you seriously saying that a tourist inadvertently taking a photo of someone in the background of their photo is the same as a guy following girls down the street filming their bums? This guy doesn't just happen to "catch a passerby in a shot", he's deliberately filming them. Your last sentence is actually really disturbing "surely its the thrill of it that lures him to it". Basically he's getting his kicks by deliberately filming women, and then posting it on the internet. That's pretty deviant, even if there isn't any physical contact involved. Not the same as just looking (absolutely nothing wrong with that!)

I'm not prudish by any means - there's a thread on here about the Hunky Dory ads, they don't bother me in the slightest. It's the fact that this is without consent, and being posted on the internet that's wrong.

TootFkingSweet · 26-08-2010 12:20am

E.T. wrote: »

Are you seriously saying that a tourist inadvertently taking a photo of someone in the background of their photo is the same as a guy following girls down the street filming their bums? This guy doesn't just happen to "catch a passerby in a shot", he's deliberately filming them. Your last sentence is actually really disturbing "surely its the thrill of it that lures him to it". Basically he's getting his kicks by deliberately filming women, and then posting it on the internet. That's pretty deviant, even if there isn't any physical contact involved. Not the same as just looking (absolutely nothing wrong with that!)

I'm not prudish by any means - there's a thread on here about the Hunky Dory ads, they don't bother me in the slightest. It's the fact that this is without consent, and being posted on the internet that's wrong.

Of course he's getting a kick out of it, he's hardly making the video to bring back to the family, or send the thing into you've been framed now is he? And of course it's disturbing, I thought that was self evident in the whole topic of the thread, no? and I was trying to state that the word victim was a tad strong, these people have been harmed in no way.

W.Shakes-Beer · 26-08-2010 12:34am

/pulls up chair and eats popcorn

gbee · 26-08-2010 12:36am

TootFkingSweet wrote: »

a tourist photographing the city, who happens to catch a passerby in a shot, is victimising them? .

No, but if he then follows them, as clearly the lad did, then it starts to get a bit dodgy.

I think most boys have done something like this, and I'd think most grow out of it, or it becomes a fetish.

Also the camera is semi remote, the videographer is mostly not looking through it or using the view screen, it has too much randomness and the odd thing is most of the girls have jeans on.

There are totally confusing messages going on, I'd not be surprised if he actually knew some of the girls ..... but it's obvious too that this is not the case for all of them.

It's odd that he seemed to actively catch the girl in shorts, then runs after two girls in jeans.

I won't be going to his site for further analysis, but I think it's a bit of a prank that gets a bit edgy, I think he might actually be with the two girls in jeans and got distracted by the girl in shorts, like most red blooded boys would.

I'd not be too worried, but if I knew who he was, I'd have a chat with him.

TootFkingSweet · 26-08-2010 12:41am

gbee wrote: »

No, but if he then follows them, as clearly the lad did, then it starts to get a bit dodgy.

I think most boys have done something like this, and I'd think most grow out of it, or it becomes a fetish.

Also the camera is semi remote, the videographer is mostly not looking through it or using the view screen, it has too much randomness and the odd thing is most of the girls have jeans on.

There are totally confusing messages going on, I'd not be surprised if he actually knew some of the girls ..... but it's obvious too that this is not the case for all of them.

It's odd that he seemed to actively catch the girl in shorts, then runs after two girls in jeans.

I won't be going to his site for further analysis, but I think it's a bit of a prank that gets a bit edgy, I think he might actually be with the two girls in jeans and got distracted by the girl in shorts, like most red blooded boys would.

I'd not be too worried, but if I knew who he was, I'd have a chat with him.

Thank you, I think some people need to get off their high horses and just thank the stars that their pasty irish arse isnt on youtube, as to solve the problem, unless they want to go out and actually catch the chap red handed, they shall be forced to live in fear... forever... and ever lol

I_AmThe_Walrus · 26-08-2010 1:11am

I am now unsubscribing to this thread because I believed our man in the field would have sent an update on his position by now...

Macha · 26-08-2010 9:01am

TootFkingSweet wrote: »

okay, well look at it like this, these people are in a public area, are you rationalising that say, a tourist photographing the city, who happens to catch a passerby in a shot, is victimising them? I mean if you want to see victims, they arent on youtube. And what would your solution to this problem be? Nothing is going to really make this guy stop, surely its the thrill of it all that lures him to it.

There is a world of difference between being accidentally caught in a regular tourist photo and a pervert intentionally and surreptitiously filming women in a lecherous manner and then putting the resulting videos on youtube.

The solution, surprisingly enough, actually is for the guy to stop. I plan on reporting his Youtube channel and even if he isn't caught, the threat of a call from the police should go some way to make him reconsider his behaviour. Laws are passed to send a signal to society about what is and isn't acceptable, regardless of the amount of people charged under that law.

TootFkingSweet wrote: »

Thank you, I think some people need to get off their high horses and just thank the stars that their pasty irish arse isnt on youtube, as to solve the problem, unless they want to go out and actually catch the chap red handed, they shall be forced to live in fear... forever... and ever lol

Ah yes because pointing out what a violation this is of these women's right to privacy is really a symptom of how arrogant I am. And indeed your next piece of advice that we should be grateful that our ugly (why thank for that necessary addition) mugs aren't personally involved isn't any better than the rest of your advice.

It isn't about fear, it's about attitudes towards women's bodies in public, realising they are not public property to be leched on by anyone who so wishes (obviously you cannot control people's minds but behaviour? yes).

Rabidlamb · 26-08-2010 9:10am

I for one am disgusted...... to think .... I never
Could someone rehost the links so I can confirm my disgust.
Unzips.

prinz · 26-08-2010 9:16am

allthedoyles wrote: »

A mention is useless - Gardai want a statement or nothing...

BS. The gardaí are routinely asking people to report suspicious activity. You cannot get done for making a false statement for reporting something which turns out to be genuine. You do not need to make a statement to approach a garda at the corner of Grafton St and mention someone acting suspiciously.

Twilightning · 26-08-2010 10:09am

The bottom line is, what he's doing is clearly dodgy but there's not a damn thing any of you can do about it.

TootFkingSweet · 26-08-2010 11:16am

taconnol wrote: »

And indeed your next piece of advice

For a start, I didn't actually give anyone advice to be commented on to begin with. I'm saying that theres not alot you can do so either get on with your life or don some kind of cape and fight internet pervs.
And secondly I think you miss the fact that I'm not belittling what this guy is doing, it is obviously creepy as fk, but i'm commenting on how you're all blowing it up past what it actually is. I mean you come across like you're going to uptake some epic campaign against all perverts on the web, or that this is the worst thing you've ever seen on the internet, is it? I know I won't be losing sleep over it anyway.

My name is URL · 26-08-2010 12:30pm

Some of his videos have been removed from YouTube

TootFkingSweet · 26-08-2010 12:32pm

taconnol wrote: »

The solution, surprisingly enough, actually is for the guy to stop. I plan on reporting his Youtube channel and even if he isn't caught, the threat of a call from the police should go some way to make him reconsider his behaviour. Laws are passed to send a signal to society about what is and isn't acceptable, regardless of the amount of people charged under that law.

Alright Taconnol, i'm going to draw a line under this and leave the thread because the smell of horse dung is sickening me.

Here's what I want though, since you are so moved and supposedly outraged by the actions taken by this individual, and are willing to take drastic actions, I don't think this would be too much to ask of you;

Start a new thread, include a screen shot of your email to youtube, and the response you get, if not an automatic one. I want an attached recording of your call to the gardai you said you would make, with a transctription included, and then a follow up with proof of this mans persecution, if legal action accrues, i will happily admit you were right, untill then, gallop on sister.

King Felix · 26-08-2010 12:33pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Some of his videos have been removed from YouTube

He's probably mystified where all the hits and comments are coming from.

I couldn't be bother checking but I suppose it's the ones where people can be identified that he's removed.

Earthhorse · 26-08-2010 12:35pm

King Felix wrote: »

He's probably mystified where all the hits and comments are coming from.

Unlikely. Your YouTube account allows you to see where people have linked your video from.

King Felix · 26-08-2010 12:37pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

Unlikely. Your YouTube account allows you to see where people have linked your video from.

Ah, ok.

Then I hope this thread is enough to make him realise he's a little off kilter and stop him in his tracks.

DOC09UNAM · 26-08-2010 12:47pm

Earthhorse wrote: »

Unlikely. Your YouTube account allows you to see where people have linked your video from.

And did it link you to this thread? :P

My name is URL · 26-08-2010 12:50pm

King Felix wrote: »

He's probably mystified where all the hits and comments are coming from.

I couldn't be bother checking but I suppose it's the ones where people can be identified that he's removed.

They were removed by YouTube for terms of use violation. Somebody must have reported them, and afaik they only comply if the person in the video is yourself

WalterMitty · 26-08-2010 12:51pm

Guys working on cctv cameras in town regularly check out hot women on their screens. this guy is just a modern Benny Hill , to be laughed at rather than anything else.

Dante · 26-08-2010 12:51pm

I swear to **** I saw this guy by the Central Bank the other day. He was pretending to send a text message on his phone while secretly recording birds in skirts...everyone walking by just gave him filthy looks because it was so blatantly obvious what he was doing, the filthy perv.