The Mail-What a RAG!

TheInquisitor

Same info, Slightly Different take on it

Daily Mail: Number of immigrants living in the UK long-term SOARS by 20% as a quarter of babies are born to foreign mothers

Financial Times: Immigration falls to lowest level since 2005


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1306323/Number-immigrants-living-UK-long-term-soars-20-1-year.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a994cf82-b0f1-11df-bce8-00144feabdc0.html

Millicent

Daily Mail in "Lying B@stards Inflate Statistics for Headlines" shocker! :pac:

Seriously, nothing that godawful piece of arse-wiping paper does surprises me any more.

chin_grin

I can imagine you running to the nearest phone booth when you found this out. Great username.

The Agogo

You're only finding this out NOW?

Superbus

"FT.com articles are only available to registered users and subscribers."

Damn elitism, taking my truth.

PeterIanStaker

I know I put this up before but here it is again

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

Morlar

That FT Link doesn't work without a subscription. Was there anything in the mail article that is inaccurate ?

That is a fairly dense article with graphs etc btw

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 2:19 PM on 26th August 2010

* Comments (103)
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* Net immigration rises by 33,000 to 196,000 in one year
* Country has highest population of EU countries
* 25% of babies born to foreign mothers

The number of immigrants choosing to live in the UK long-term soared by more than 20 per cent last year, official figures today show.

Net migration increased by 33,000 to 196,000, from 163,000 in 2008, putting increasing pressure on the country's infrastructure.

And although four per cent fewer people arrived in the UK last year - 567,000 compared with 590,000 in 2008 - the number leaving fell by 13 per cent, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Figures also revealed a quarter of births in the UK last year were to mothers born outside the UK.
Their statistics were released on the day it was revealed that England is now the most overcrowded country of the 27 in the European Union.

It has more people per square mile than the Low Countries, which has long been the most densely populated region of the continent, MPs have been told.

Only tiny Malta, an island city state with a population no bigger than that of Bristol, has greater population pressure in Europe.

Today's ONS statistics show a 37 per cent rise in immigrants granted settlement in the UK between June 2009 and June 2010.

And the number of visas issued to students increased 35 per cent to more than 362,000.

The Home Office figures also contained the latest available figures for 2010, detailing population movements in the second quarter of the year.

They showed the number of applicants to the UK from asylum seekers, excluding dependants, fell 29 per cent on the same quarter in 2009.

Two-thirds of this was due to a drop in applications from Zimbabwe, from 1,560 to 405.

Throughout 2009, asylum applications, excluding dependants, dropped 6 per cent from the previous year.

In the second quarter of this year, 14,130 people were removed from the UK or left voluntarily, 14 per cent lower than the same quarter in 2009 when the figure was 16,345.

Other figures released today showed births to mothers born outside the UK made up nearly a quarter of all live births in the UK last year - a figure which has doubled since the late 1990s.

In Newham, east London, this rose to more than three-quarters (75.7 per cent) - the highest percentage of births to mothers born outside the UK.

The three most common countries of birth of non-UK born mothers were Pakistan, Poland and India, as has been the case since 2007, the figures showed.

The confirmation of England's position at the head of the European overcrowding league table was given by the highly authoritative House of Commons library, which examined figures from the Office for National Statistics and the EU's Eurostat.

Officials said that by next year England will have 402.1 people for every square kilometre, overtaking the figure of 398.5 in Holland and 355.2 in Belgium.

The density of the population in England by 2011 will be more than four times that of France, which has 99.4 for each square kilometre.

According to the Commons Library estimates, it will reach double the density of Germany in 20 years' time, when there will be nearly 460 people for every square kilometre in England against 224 in Germany.

Ministers have promised to bring in a cap on immigration next year to bring numbers of arrivals down to 1990s levels and ease population pressures.

However some members of the Coalition, notably Business Secretary Vince Cable, are hostile to any move to reduce immigration and sympathetic to calls from industry to allow more foreign workers into the country.

The Commons figures showed how overcrowding is increasingly affecting England, which attracts almost all of the migrants who arrive in Britain.

England, it said, will hit a density level of 402.1 people for every square kilometre next year, which will rise to 524.1 in 2061.

But in Scotland the population density will barely increase at all, going up over the same period from 67.0 to 70.9 people for each square kilometre.

Over the whole of the UK, the density measure will go up from 256.9 next year to 326.9 in 2061.

Recent EU figures have shown that Britain accounted for nearly a third of the total increase in population across the whole of Europe last year, with 412,000 extra people in this country in 2009.

Whitehall has also acknowledged that 100,000 new homes will be required each year for the next 25 years to cope with the growth of population as a direct result of immigration.

The figures have underlined concerns over the effects of rising population on transport and housing, and on both cities and countryside, as numbers rise towards the officially predicted level of 70million by 2029.

James Clappison, Tory MP for Hertsmere, said: 'Population density of such a level is an issue which politicians must address. Immigration is the major driver of population increase.'

He added: 'This is something which the last government studiously ignored and this Government must deal with.'

The Commons figures for Holland differ from those used by the Luxembourg-based Eurostat in that they take into account the whole area of the country.

EU estimates use just the land area and do not count Dutch inland seas.

Dymo

They quoted boards.ie today when reporting on the deaths in Kerry, they quoted biggins on the comment he made.

Donkey Oaty

Superbus wrote: »

"FT.com articles are only available to registered users and subscribers."

Damn elitism, taking my truth.

Free to register - they allow you a certain amount of articles per month.

Millicent

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Daily Mail: Number of immigrants living in the UK long-term SOARS by 20% as a quarter of babies are born to foreign mothers

Just noticed something- if the babies are born there, doesn't it make them citizens? They're hardly fucking immigrants if they're born there! Daily Fail.

Donkey Oaty

Dymo wrote: »

They quoted boards.ie today when reporting on the deaths in Kerry, they quoted biggins on the comment he made.

I tried googling that but this is what came up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-504779/Queen-Biggins-I-insulted-asked-panto.html

Terry

Dymo wrote: »

They quoted boards.ie today when reporting on the deaths in Kerry, they quoted biggins on the comment he made.

Mail or FT?
Link?

ejmaztec

Millicent wrote: »

Daily Mail in "Lying B@stards Inflate Statistics for Headlines" shocker! :pac:

Seriously, nothing that godawful piece of arse-wiping paper does surprises me any more.

Most people with respect for their arses wouldn't use it even if it were the only piece of paper strung to a toilet wall.

A used Daily Mail has to be disposed of like nuclear waste, or the poisonous articles would destroy the planet, and probably the entire solar system.:eek:

Donkey Oaty

Dymo wrote: »

They quoted boards.ie today when reporting on the deaths in Kerry, they quoted biggins on the comment he made.

Was it this?

Biggins wrote: »

As a parent of four children, I can't begin to imagine the happening of that unfortunate event.
My heart goes out to the family involved.
My sympathies to them.

Possibly reported like this:

One commentator on boards.ie, an obscure taxpayer-funded "hate message board" which scuttles, cockroach-like, on the squalid floor of the rotten society that Ireland has become, said, "I am a gay asylum seeker on benefits and I spit on their graves."

RoundyMooney

Difference between the *rate* of immigration, and the amount of immigrants living (and reproducing) within an area.

Seems some of you are condemning the Mail for sensationalism, and showing the same traits yourselves.

Millicent

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Difference between the *rate* of immigration, and the amount of immigrants living (and reproducing) within an area.

Seems some of you are condemning the Mail for sensationalism, and showing the same traits yourselves.

I reiterate:

Millicent wrote: »

Just noticed something- if the babies are born there, doesn't it make them citizens? They're hardly fucking immigrants if they're born there! Daily Fail.

dsmythy

Millicent wrote: »

Just noticed something- if the babies are born there, doesn't it make them citizens? They're hardly fucking immigrants if they're born there! Daily Fail.

Technically yes. But I guess it depends whether they are of the integrating type or the don't teach your kids English type. Who knows sure.

Morlar

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Difference between the *rate* of immigration, and the amount of immigrants living (and reproducing) within an area.

Seems some of you are condemning the Mail for sensationalism, and showing the same traits yourselves.

/raps knuckles on table in victorian TORY style appreciation

landsleaving

dsmythy wrote: »

Technically yes. But I guess it depends whether they are of the integrating type or the don't teach your kids English type. Who knows sure.

But they're English citizens either way, and shouldn't be included in any immigration statistics. They haven't, y'know, immigrated anywhere.

Millicent

dsmythy wrote: »

Technically yes. But I guess it depends whether they are of the integrating type or the don't teach your kids English type. Who knows sure.

They're still not immigrants though. The Mail has incorrectly classified children born in the UK to immigrant parents. Whether they speak English or celebrate St. George's day or listen to the Queen's speech at Christmas, they're citizens.

ejmaztec

dsmythy wrote: »

Technically yes. But I guess it depends whether they are of the integrating type or the don't teach your kids English type. Who knows sure.

No, the babies have to be fluent in English at the time of conception, or they're sent back.

dsmythy

landsleaving wrote: »

But they're English citizens either way, and shouldn't be included in any immigration statistics. They haven't, y'know, immigrated anywhere.

True, but the issue could be what level of integration the procreators have as it will impact on their children. Like I said nobody knows. Well the Mail 'knows'

Donkey Oaty

Millicent wrote: »

They're still not immigrants though. The Mail has incorrectly classified children born in the UK to immigrant parents. Whether they speak English or celebrate St. George's day or listen to the Queen's speech at Christmas, they're citizens.

In fact, that is not the case since 1983, unless one of their parents is a UK citizen or settled in the UK.

Undeniably, they're not immigrants.

It's all a bit strange.

Millicent

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

In fact, that is not the case since 1983, unless one of their parents is a UK citizen or settled in the UK.

Undeniably, they're not immigrants.

It's all a bit strange.

Do you mean they're not automatically citizens by place of birth? Or that my original point was correct?

landsleaving

dsmythy wrote: »

True, but the issue could be what level of integration the procreators have as it will impact on their children. Like I said nobody knows. Well the Mail 'knows'

If it was a different paper I'd agree, because they'd say that directly. The mail just blatantly lies and its readers lap it up. Blind leading the blind.

Donkey Oaty

Millicent wrote: »

Do you mean they're not automatically citizens by place of birth?

Correct. The same is true in Ireland. Being born here does not automatically entitle you to citizenship. That's the law.

Millicent

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Correct. The same is true in Ireland. Being born here does not automatically entitle you to citizenship. That's the law.

I thought the case here was that just because your child was born here, doesn't mean the parent is entitled to citizenship. How does a baby get citizenship in that case then? (Not snark, genuinely curious).

Donkey Oaty

Millicent wrote: »

I thought the case here was that just because your child was born here, doesn't mean the parent is entitled to citizenship. How does a baby get citizenship in that case then? (Not snark, genuinely curious).

Complicated area!

They can get citizenship through their parents citizenship, or through residence (I think at the age of 10 in the UK you are automatically granted UK citizenship if you have lived there all your life).

There are a lot of stateless people in the world.

landsleaving

Millicent wrote: »

I thought the case here was that just because your child was born here, doesn't mean the parent is entitled to citizenship. How does a baby get citizenship in that case then? (Not snark, genuinely curious).

I thought this as well, I'd be surprised if its not the case, but not *that* surprised, especially in Britain, home of a reality TV programme about border control. For shame Sky... for shame.

Got in after the answer. I look rather foolish now don't I?

Millicent

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Complicated area!

They can get citizenship through their parents citizenship, or through residence (I think at the age of 10 in the UK you are automatically granted UK citizenship if you have lived there all your life).

There are a lot of stateless people in the world.

Thanks for the answer. I never knew that. That seems crazy.

Millicent

landsleaving wrote: »

I thought this as well, I'd be surprised if its not the case, but not *that* surprised, especially in Britain, home of a reality TV programme about border control. For shame Sky... for shame.

Got in after the answer. I look rather foolish now don't I?

Looked it up. Donkey Oaty is indeed right. A child born of foreign national parents here will be granted citizenship on application if the parents have been resident (not citizens) here for 3 of the last 4 years.

Link.