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How realistic is a sub 5 minute mile on the track?
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I think this is the one you are talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZrXo90uIW4
He's an uncle of one of my mates actually.
Crazy that he thought he could run a sub 4 over 40 especially considering only one man has ever done that!
It actually sums up the lack of knowledge the general public in Ireland have of elite athletics!
I just watched this again and I actually think it is insulting to the sport at the elite level that somebody could think he could just walk off the street at the age of 40 and after 1 years training run a sub 4 minute mile. A bit off topic with regards this thread but it seems the general public have no idea on earth how good the likes of Coghlan, Flynn, Cram, Coe etc were because if they did you wouldnt see things like this.
Fair play to him getting sub 5 though. He did seem to have a big setup in place though (getting the opportunity to run with top athletes etc) which had to have made it easier. How many of the average joe would get that opportunity?0 -
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still maintain that you need good athletic and aerobic ability ....what do you set the bar at for Average ??? but I do agree with you bout working hard and committment
15 years ago the 5mins may have been the Average and the stats of race times proves that , because in those days we had less choices in life , we were less busy , we valued our sport more , we worked harder at our chosen sport and that was just you and me the average guy ....nowadays the average guy is so far removed from that , they wont committ , they are afraid of pain , they look for excuses to miss a session , they want their pints after work etc etc ,so average is now a lot more average than 15years ago
And Ireland was full of pioneers in 1995?? 
Some of what you say is true though. Too many kids playing PS3's and XBoxes these days. When I was 9 or 10 all I did was spend the entire day outside! That feeds into their adulthood.0 -
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Pherekydes wrote: »The 4:32 in the Universities' road relays was done in Maynooth. The distance is NOT accurate. It may be as short as 1500m.
I agree with a lot you say before but this is sacrilege on the holy grounds of St Patrick's Maynooth. That loop is bang on a mile. I train on it at least twice a week and my Garmin 405 says its accurate.
I'm lying, the loop is actually 1604 metres. Has been measured multiple independent times0 -
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Great thread this and A1 posts. It has got me interested now in what I could do with this mile distance. I may even start a log for a sub 5 min mile also and feck the 5k distance
I just ran 300m in 43 secs as a time trial with a mate, after 6 weeks training done from scratch. Will strive to dip under 5 mins before year is out, watch out for log !0 -
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That was the best breakfast read I've had for a long time
Now, the only problem is, trying to remember all the comments that I want to respond to :rolleyes:
Let's see, poster who said he is 45 so his days of running sub 5 are behind him, bulls**t ! I'm also at that wonderful age and hope to do it in a few weeks.
Glad origional post covered the fact that the guy who wantd to run sub 4 and 'only' did 4:59 had a large support team behind him, not to mention that he also put in the training.
Re can it be done, I agree with the general consensus that seems to have came out of all this. It can be done, but it is very hard work for most people. The average Joe cannot do it. I run regularly with lads who came from a footy or GAA background and considered themselves fit, but once they stepped onto a track for an interval sessions they were left clutching their knees. But there is a lad now who has trained hard for the past 2 years and has gone sub 5 ml, sub 17 5K, sub 36 10K & sub 3 marathon, and he turned 40 last December. On the flip side of this, I also know of lads who have trained equally hard and have not got near those times. Spot the difference :rolleyes:
Personally, I think that the best way to go about it is to get a good base in of a few months of good build up of mileage, once you've got the base start throwing in tempo runs and some hills, then hit the track for your 400m intervals. Last winter we were doing 16 x 400m off 30secs/rec in 80-82secs. This spring we changed it to 8 x 400m off 75secs in 72/73secs.
Would definitely be interested in getting onto a sub 5min thread though, I am also battling the sub 3 marathon so this should be fun 0 -
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That was the best breakfast read I've had for a long time
Now, the only problem is, trying to remember all the comments that I want to respond to :rolleyes:
Let's see, poster who said he is 45 so his days of running sub 5 are behind him, bulls**t ! I'm also at that wonderful age and hope to do it in a few weeks.
Glad origional post covered the fact that the guy who wantd to run sub 4 and 'only' did 4:59 had a large support team behind him, not to mention that he also put in the training.
Re can it be done, I agree with the general consensus that seems to have came out of all this. It can be done, but it is very hard work for most people. The average Joe cannot do it. I run regularly with lads who came from a footy or GAA background and considered themselves fit, but once they stepped onto a track for an interval sessions they were left clutching their knees. But there is a lad now who has trained hard for the past 2 years and has gone sub 5 ml, sub 17 5K, sub 36 10K & sub 3 marathon, and he turned 40 last December. On the flip side of this, I also know of lads who have trained equally hard and have not got near those times. Spot the difference :rolleyes:
Personally, I think that the best way to go about it is to get a good base in of a few months of good build up of mileage, once you've got the base start throwing in tempo runs and some hills, then hit the track for your 400m intervals. Last winter we were doing 16 x 400m off 30secs/rec in 80-82secs. This spring we changed it to 8 x 400m off 75secs in 72/73secs.
Would definitely be interested in getting onto a sub 5min thread though, I am also battling the sub 3 marathon so this should be fun
I like this post. Positivity is the way to go for this endeavour. I'm sure I will do it and I am in the same age group.
I am a believer in The Pygmalion Effect and this is what will get results.0 -
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Am i the only one who kind finds it a bit hilarious that you are adding to PVincents comments on hard work, dedication, giving up a bit of their life etc when in your log which i quoted before you were the person saying - im 24, i dont wanna train more as im not prepared to give up my social life..... alot must have changed in last year. and like others said backpacking and the like seems more a priority. And Ireland was full of pioneers in 1995??
Some of what you say is true though. Too many kids playing PS3's and XBoxes these days. When I was 9 or 10 all I did was spend the entire day outside! That feeds into their adulthood.
Id add to the above that i think you can do it tho, as im sure a majority could with 6months- year of very dedicated training. the problem is how many are prepared to do the dedicated training and how many will survive it without getting injured. To me they are the real questions.
Id happily stick up a log and go for it myself, but unfortunately id know my achilles would get in the way0 -
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