Lyric fm's Breakfast show presenter - Marty Whelan.

HeidiHeidi

Yvonne23R wrote: »

What does ETA mean? I'm confused.

Edited to add

What about all the other points lots of us have raised? Are you ever going to address those? Or just tell us again how much you love Daphne and how Marty Appealing to the Masses (sic) is a good thing, when clearly we disagree and have actually justified our points of view?

Yvonne23R

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Edited to add

What about all the other points lots of us have raised? Are you ever going to address those? Or just tell us again how much you love Daphne and how Marty Appealing to the Masses (sic) is a good thing, when clearly we disagree and have actually justified our points of view?

My researchers tell me that Daphne may not be a real person, so I'm not likely to love her. (If I loved anyone I think it would be Myrtle, who has a bit of spirits. ) Marty Whelan is giving us a fantasy soap opera on radio the like of which hasn't been aired before or maybe ever I'd say.:)

I don't know how I could open closed minds who have limited musical horizons but you seem to want me to try. Do you know that Dame Very Lynne has released a new album today aged almost 100? I picked this nugget up from the show. Where else would you become aware of that kind of musical detail, I ask you?

Today the show started with Greensleeves second, and that was so suitable to the time of the morning with the storm still roaring outside. :(I heard very little of it after about 7.30 but what I heard was good. Something for everyone in the audience is what it's all about on Marty's Show.:cool:

SaveOurLyric

Anyone who was on last year's Italy trip will testify to the great depth of knowledge Marty has of opera - he is a real specialist in Italian opera.
Join the trip to Berlin and you might learn a think or two about opera appreciation!

HeidiHeidi

Yvonne23R wrote: »

My researchers tell me that Daphne may not be a real person, so I'm not likely to love her. (If I loved anyone I think it would be Myrtle, who has a bit of spirits. ) Marty Whelan is giving us a fantasy soap opera on radio the like of which hasn't been aired before or maybe ever I'd say.:)

I don't know how I could open closed minds who have limited musical horizons but you seem to want me to try. Do you know that Dame Very Lynne has released a new album today aged almost 100? I picked this nugget up from the show. Where else would you become aware of that kind of musical detail, I ask you?

Today the show started with Greensleeves second, and that was so suitable to the time of the morning with the storm still roaring outside. :(I heard very little of it after about 7.30 but what I heard was good. Something for everyone in the audience is what it's all about on Marty's Show.:cool:

OK, on the basis of this rubbish, I'm out. Good luck to the rest of ye.

Yvonne23R wrote: »

What does ETA mean? I'm confused.

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Thanks. Poor me trying to think how Estimated Time of Arrival made sense there !

Are you mixing up your accounts there by any chance Yvonne/SOL??? Your ninja edit was just a teeny bit too late

Rubberchikken

i'm one of those people who isn't au fait with classical music like so many are, but lyric has opened my ears to such wonderful music and brilliant presenters that i listen to this station above all others.
love listening to john kelly in the afternoons, could listen to his voice forever;)
aideen gormley plays great music from movies/stage, and she sounds such a pleasant/knowledgeable person.

love love marty. the man is a joy. he should be cloned and spread around the other radio stations, esp 4fm, which i did attempt to listen to but don't have that much patience.

big fan of daphne and myrtle btw. keep it going marty::D

yosser hughes

Yvonne23R wrote: »

Marty Whelan is an expert on opera, Italian opera especially.

No he is not. He can read a CD sleeve.

jmcc

yosser hughes wrote: »

No he is not. He can read a CD sleeve.

Wonder if he thinks that Tony Vivaldi is a character on The Sopranos? Was it Yvonne or Marty who thought that Vivaldi was called 'the red priest' because he wore a red cloak?

Regards...jmcc

Yvonne23R

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Are you mixing up your accounts there by any chance Yvonne/SOL??? Your ninja edit was just a teeny bit too late

Is this a closed shop where only people who want to criticise Lyric FM are tolerated? It seems that there are accusations sloshing around that because several people are supporting the station they are all the same person. This is an ugly suggestion.

If it is meant only for criticism and snobbery please put a note on the Board that this is so and all reasonable people will know and keep away.

jmcc

Yvonne23R wrote: »

Is this a closed shop where only people who want to criticise Lyric FM are tolerated?

This is where people who listen to radio post. And they don't seem to like your beloved Marty and his MOTR schlock on a Classical station.

It seems that there are accusations sloshing around that because several people are supporting the station they are all the same person. This is an ugly suggestion.

There was an incident where another fanatical Martydom account accidentally replied to one of your posts as you. The only one continually defending him here is you. Then there was the personas issue. (The "ordinary" housewife who was a fan of Marty and who knew nothing of broadcast and its technology suddenly acquiring a lot of industry specific vocabulary.)

Regards...jmcc

Yvonne23R

jmcc wrote: »

This is where people who listen to radio post. And they don't seem to like your beloved Marty and his MOTR schlock on a Classical station.
The only one continually defending him here is you.
Regards...jmcc

I think the problem for the critics here is that more and more people in the street and here appreciate what Lyric FM is doing. Have you seen that special profile in the Sunday Times Culture magazine about Lyric? And all the fine things that were said? It speaks volumes.

jmcc

Yvonne23R wrote: »

I think the problem for the critics here is that more and more people in the street and here appreciate what Lyric FM is doing.

No they don't. Marty is an irrelevance - a failed 2FM DJ who just wasn't getting the figures. The management apparently fired him while he was on holidays. Now that's cold but then he had lost so many listeners that it was eating into advertising revenue. People are more likely to listen to their local radio stations or Tubridy or whatever aural space filler is available. His Tesco voiceover ad probably has a bigger audience than his radio programme.

Have you seen that special profile in the Sunday Times Culture magazine about Lyric? And all the fine things that were said? It speaks volumes.

Quite a non-committal piece that was not at all complimentary to Marty and Lyric's management. However you seem to keep trying to spin it as a great success because the article is behind a paywall and most people cannot access it.

Regards...jmcc

yosser hughes

Yvonne23R wrote: »

I think the problem for the critics here is that more and more people in the street and here appreciate what Lyric FM is doing. Have you seen that special profile in the Sunday Times Culture magazine about Lyric? And all the fine things that were said? It speaks volumes.

I read it, it was not complimentary to Marty at all, so why are you trying to say otherwise? This has already been pointed out to you earlier. Why would you try to distort the truth? What is the matter?
It's bizarre behaviour for an adult.

Yvonne23R

jmcc wrote: »

...... probably has a bigger audience than his radio programme.

... all complimentary to Marty and Lyric's management.

Regards...jmcc

I imagine Marty Whelan's television work on the Winning Streak probably has a larger audience than the Marty Whelan Show on radio - but that's in the nature of the medium. I imagine also that there's a lot of crossover between the two because one supports and advertises the other.

But this thread is about the Marty show on radio.

Regards ...

HeidiHeidi

Has anyone got a link to the ST piece? Or is it completly paywalled?

When was it - I have a few culchur magazines left over around the house - I wouldn't mind reading it to see where I've been going wrong, maybe the journalist will succeed where Yvonne has so far failed in converting me to the wonders of Marty's Mediocrity

jmcc

Cutting words out of posts to make it seem like they agree with you? Textual analysis of your posts seems to indicate that the words and styling are possibly from a male. It was only a simple program with a limited amount of input text.

Does your beloved Marty play much Opera on his show given that he is considered an "expert"? And if not why not?

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the ST piece? Or is it completly paywalled?

Think it is from a few weeks ago and covered the direction of LyricFM and how it was its way It would probably be paywalled.

When was it - I have a few culchur magazines left over around the house - I wouldn't mind reading it to see where I've been going wrong, maybe the journalist will succeed where Yvonne has so far failed in converting me to the wonders of Marty's Mediocrity

It was like the journo had the unfortunate task of having to listen to Mediocrity In The Morning as part of her research.

Regards...jmcc

HeidiHeidi

Haha, found the start of it (it is paywalled :mad:)

<<What do you call a dinosaur with an extensive vocabulary? A thesaurus. Last Tuesday, Marty Whelan read out this schoolboyish joke on Marty in the Morning, his RTE Lyric fm show. It was a typical example of the type of facile gag with which, in an all-too-obvious attempt to win over casual listeners, the Dublin presenter peppers his self-consciously chummy programme. A fast-paced blend of witticisms, middlebrow works, giggly traffic reports and easy-listening numbers from contemporary artists such as Van Morrison and Ennio Morricone, the determinedly populist show is not going down well with some classical-music devotees. For the purists Whelan and to a lesser extent the station’s other “celebrity DJs”, including George Hamilton and Gay Byrne, personify the dumbing down of Lyric.>>

Bold emphasis is mine.

How could anyone POSSIBLY construe that as being even slightly complimentary to Marty, never mind praising him

Seriously? Come back from cloud-cuckoo-land, Yvonne.

(Qualifier - I haven't read the whole article, but I'm assuming the author didn't do a 180 handbrake turn in paragraph 3 )

goose2005

Flicking through stations, came onto Lyric just as he cued up the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine. No comment.

Onthe3rdDay

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Haha, found the start of it (it is paywalled :mad:)

<<What do you call a dinosaur with an extensive vocabulary? A thesaurus. Last Tuesday, Marty Whelan read out this schoolboyish joke on Marty in the Morning, his RTE Lyric fm show. It was a typical example of the type of facile gag with which, in an all-too-obvious attempt to win over casual listeners, the Dublin presenter peppers his self-consciously chummy programme. A fast-paced blend of witticisms, middlebrow works, giggly traffic reports and easy-listening numbers from contemporary artists such as Van Morrison and Ennio Morricone, the determinedly populist show is not going down well with some classical-music devotees. For the purists Whelan and to a lesser extent the station’s other “celebrity DJs”, including George Hamilton and Gay Byrne, personify the dumbing down of Lyric.>>

Bold emphasis is mine.

How could anyone POSSIBLY construe that as being even slightly complimentary to Marty, never mind praising him

Seriously? Come back from cloud-cuckoo-land, Yvonne.

(Qualifier - I haven't read the whole article, but I'm assuming the author didn't do a 180 handbrake turn in paragraph 3 )

I did read the article at a friends house and It looked like a piece that Lyric suggested but the journalist did silly things to upset the apple cart, Like listening to Marty for a morning and actually talking to people with an opinion. I didn't agree with every comment in the piece but it was a real kick in the teeth for lyric. The last paragraph or two were more upbeat about the station, but you could see why they were thrown in. It would have looked very negative otherwise.

HeidiHeidi

OK - found the magazine and read the whole article. It's not as condemnatory of Marty all the way through as in the first paragraphs I quoted - but it certainly ain't a glowing tribute either.

The only ones even attempting to justify the shambles that is Marty in the Morning its producer and the head of Lyric - hardly a surprise there. All of the others quoted in the article - including a professor of music in UCC and a contemporary composer - seem to recognise the problem in the dumbing down of the station. They have the height of praise for the stations specialist programmes, while damning the likes of Marty and Classic Drive with faint praise.

I enjoy Classic Drive - it's popular stuff, but at least it sticks to the brief and it's music, not the presenter on an ego-trip.

George Hamilton also comes in for a bit of stick - although I quite enjoy his programmes when he sticks to the music and not the football puns, he clearly knows his stuff.

John Kelly, although he's a bit out-there for my taste, also clearly knows his stuff, and I have no objection to him whatsoever - I simply don't listen as it's not what I enjoy (most of the time).

It's the total waste of the two hours at prime time in the morning to stupid jokes and drivel and clearly non-classical/art music on a station that is meant to be a classical/art music station that galls me.

Did I say I was out earlier :rolleyes:

Yvonne23R

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

OK - found the magazine and read the whole article. It's not as condemnatory of Marty all the way through as in the first paragraphs I quoted - but it certainly ain't a glowing tribute either.

The only ones even attempting to justify the shambles that is Marty in the Morning its producer and the head of Lyric - hardly a surprise there. All of the others quoted in the article - including a professor of music in UCC and a contemporary composer - seem to recognise the problem in the dumbing down of the station. They have the height of praise for the stations specialist programmes, while damning the likes of Marty and Classic Drive with faint praise.

I enjoy Classic Drive - it's popular stuff, but at least it sticks to the brief and it's music, not the presenter on an ego-trip.

George Hamilton also comes in for a bit of stick - although I quite enjoy his programmes when he sticks to the music and not the football puns, he clearly knows his stuff.

John Kelly, although he's a bit out-there for my taste, also clearly knows his stuff, and I have no objection to him whatsoever - I simply don't listen as it's not what I enjoy (most of the time).

It's the total waste of the two hours at prime time in the morning to stupid jokes and drivel and clearly non-classical/art music on a station that is meant to be a classical/art music station that galls me.

Did I say I was out earlier :rolleyes:

Actually it wasn't a UCC professor. It was only Harry White from UCD.

The composer whose name escapes me was wanting things like Stravinsky and Schoenburg. Bernard does a super job for a minuscule minority on Sunday nights but you couldn't have that on in the morning slot - even if a presenter had Marty's gift of the gab.

All in all the article in the Sunday Times Irish edition was a tribute to the work.

On the suggestion that I am male .... what makes you say that? It's hurtful and sexist.

As for Marty and opera: listen to the programme tomorrow then, because if it's like the programme every other morning it will have opera repeatedly. This week already we have have Puccini a few times and a bit of Verdi. Marty is giving a lecture on Tosca to the group in Berlin and I think he is probably going to do one on our Verona trip too. Just contact anyone who was on the Travel Department trip which was second to none for quality and fun.

The long and the short of it is that the Marty Whelan Show is an avenue into the light classical / crossover genre. It's not the only route in by any means but it is one of the best ways of making it palatable for the mass of the plain people of Ireland. It's all very well for people who have had the bit of education to be complaining that he's not playing Brahms. But not everyone has been to speech & drama or had piano lessons or been in Billy Barrie. People without the advantages of the small number of very noisy critics of the programme shouldn't be made to suffer again for not being in a position to educate themselves musically through Marty.

Onthe3rdDay

Yvonne23R wrote: »

It's all very well for people who have had the bit of education to be complaining that he's not playing Brahms. But not everyone has been to speech & drama or had piano lessons or been in Billy Barrie. People without the advantages of the small number of very noisy critics of the programme shouldn't be made to suffer again for not being in a position to educate themselves musically through Marty.

You're really being judgmental and unfair to huge sections of the population. What you're saying is that people won't listen to Classical Music unless they're lured in by Marty or on the other hand taught to like it at a young age.

I'd point out Classic FM in London as an example of why you're so wrong. In the last few years it's had a listener-ship figures of 6 million. It's light and has a limited playlist during the day, but it's never ever played pop music to lure listeners in.

Marty would have been fired on the first morning if he were broadcasting for them, Assuming he played what he normally plays on lyric FM.

bbability

Marty is doing a fine job at Lyric. I quite enjoy Marty on Lyric. He figures are excellent and he's opened the ears of many a new presenter. It's a pity people don't have the same opinion on Gay Byrne.

Calina

Looking at the playlists for the last 2/3 weeks, approximately one quarter of the music played is classical and that does not include opera. Opera wise, very little is getting played. The balance is split between pop, musicals, cinema and some other contemporary stuff with a preponderance of pop and cinema.

On balance, this is not the split I would expect on a classical station. Bach and Vivaldi are the most frequently played composers on the classical stream, and the Flight of the Bumble Bee has been - apparently - played three times in the last three weeks.

Outside the scope of classical the big winners are Burt Bacharach and Ennio Morricone.

Make of that what you will.

The long and the short of it is that the Marty Whelan Show is an avenue into the light classical / crossover genre. It's not the only route in by any means but it is one of the best ways of making it palatable for the mass of the plain people of Ireland.

This is the snobbiest sh1te I think I've read today.

It's all very well for people who have had the bit of education to be complaining that he's not playing Brahms.

He does play Brahms. Not much, I'll grant you, but he's given the boy an outing all the same.

But not everyone has been to speech & drama or had piano lessons or been in Billy Barrie.

This is not a prerequisite for an interest in or enjoyment of classical music

SaveOurLyric

Yvonne23R wrote: »

As for Marty and opera: listen to the programme tomorrow then, because if it's like the programme every other morning it will have opera repeatedly. This week already we have have Puccini a few times and a bit of Verdi. Marty is giving a lecture on Tosca to the group in Berlin and I think he is probably going to do one on our Verona trip too. Just contact anyone who was on the Travel Department trip which was second to none for quality and fun.

The nit pickers may crib about Marty's pronunciation (we can't all be up to the level of polyglots like George Hamilton), and he wears his erudition so lightly, that one can easily be forgiven for not knowing what a highly regarded authority on Puccini he is. A fine treat in store for the Berlin group.

SaveOurLyric

bbability wrote: »

Marty is doing a fine job at Lyric. I quite enjoy Marty on Lyric. He figures are excellent and he's opened the ears of many a new presenter. It's a pity people don't have the same opinion on Gay Byrne.

I think some people have a low tolerance for those whose musical spectrum is not as wide his - and hanker after a return to their more limited sphere of comfort.

HeidiHeidi

<<The long and the short of it is that the Marty Whelan Show is an avenue into the light classical / crossover genre. It's not the only route in by any means but it is one of the best ways of making it palatable for the mass of the plain people of Ireland. It's all very well for people who have had the bit of education to be complaining that he's not playing Brahms. But not everyone has been to speech & drama or had piano lessons or been in Billy Barrie. People without the advantages of the small number of very noisy critics of the programme shouldn't be made to suffer again for not being in a position to educate themselves musically through Marty.>>

What the actual f*** ???

I don't even know where to start with this, so I won't.

:eek:

<<I think some people have a low tolerance for those whose musical spectrum is not as wide his - and hanker after a return to their more limited sphere of comfort. >>

And I'm afraid I just plain don't understand this......... (proving that I'm not the highly educated snob that you seem to think we all are)

jmcc

Yvonne23R wrote: »

On the suggestion that I am male .... what makes you say that? It's hurtful and sexist.

Your words. Your phrasing. It was a computer program that analysed your posts. It is remarkable how such things work.

But not everyone has been to speech & drama or had piano lessons or been in Billy Barrie.

Poor Billy Barrie.

educate themselves musically through Marty.

Really? Wouldn't that require some level of knowledge beyond CD covers?

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

And I'm afraid I just plain don't understand this.........

It is an aria from LyricFM's new opera "The Socks' Chorus".

Regards...jmcc

looksee

I have no opinions on the music on Marty Whelan's programme - I would usually be driving and not giving it sufficient concentration to analyse the balance of his choice of music, it seems ok when he eventually gets round to it. I do however strongly dislike his eternal wittering, his jokes that he always gabbles and loses the punchline of, and his pointless, endless rambling about anything and nothing. I want to listen to music, not his voice.