Kilrush to get Tesco Petrol Station.

ppearse

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Not great for the local businesses though

Sham Squire

Will they be any cheaper than the others? West Clare must be the most expensive place in Ireland to buy petrol. pumps.ie has the average irish price at 1.32euro while the cheapest in West Clare is 134 and I've seen as high as 1.39.

finbarrk

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

User Friendly

finbarrk wrote: »

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

clairek6

tesco opened a petrol station in ballinasloe a few months ago.. when it was first open petrol and diesel were a good few cent cheaper but after about 2 weeks they were dearer than the cheapest place in town!:p

rubberdiddies

User Friendly wrote: »

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

Palmach

rubberdiddies wrote: »

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

These big out of town super stores cost the area 3 jobs for every job they create on average. As usual some people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Palmach

Sham Squire wrote: »

Will they be any cheaper than the others? West Clare must be the most expensive place in Ireland to buy petrol. pumps.ie has the average irish price at 1.32euro while the cheapest in West Clare is 134 and I've seen as high as 1.39.

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

rubberdiddies

Palmach wrote: »

These big out of town super stores cost the area 3 jobs for every job they create on average. As usual some people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

whoever gave planning permission (presumably its the UDC?) will have to take a lot of the blame if it does have a negative impact on the town and West Clare as a whole. Sure they're getting a lot of revenue/rates from tesco, but now of course theyve also lost and will continue to lose the revenue/rates from the closed down shops

finbarrk

User Friendly wrote: »

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

I wouldn't think you are from the area. Personally I don't think it's right that a british company can come in outside the town and undercut the traders that are family business's that are there for years. The Kilrush fuel prices are no different than other parts of the country anyway at the moment.

Sham Squire

Palmach wrote: »

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

ppearse

rubberdiddies wrote: »

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

So exactly who are Tesco supposed to have closed down ? Brews perhaps ?? I think Brews problems were happening long before Tesco arrived. Tesco sell mainly grocery goods so I dont think that could have affected Brews. O Rourkes Londis shop maybe ? Well I think O Rourkes was up for sale even before Tesco arrived. So exactly who have Tesco closed ??

ppearse

finbarrk wrote: »

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

What you are accusing Tesco of is Predatory Pricing which is an illegal practice. Predatory Pricing is a myth that is put forward by others who do not want competition. The theory behind Predatory Pricing as you say is that the bigger firm closes the small firm by selling below cost and then when everyone is wiped out they charge monopolistic prices to recoup the losses incurred during the predation period. This makes no sense from a business or economics perspective.

: Once the "predator" starts to charge monopolistic prices , there is nothing to stop other competition from entering the scene. This would be virtually guaranteed and mean the "predator" would have to respond by reducing its prices and thereby not recoup any of its initial losses.

Also , a predatory pricing strategy is extremely risky for the so called predator because it also assumes that people will not stock up during the " predation " period. Again the "predator" would struggle to regain its initial losses.

At the end of the day this issue is about free will . Tesco do not put a gun to anybodys head to buy anything from them. If people are so concerned then just continue to buy your fuel from whoever you like. Personally , I buy my petrol wherever its cheaper and if Tescos petrol is dearer at any stage then I will buy it elsewhere.

ppearse

clairek6 wrote: »

tesco opened a petrol station in ballinasloe a few months ago.. when it was first open petrol and diesel were a good few cent cheaper but after about 2 weeks they were dearer than the cheapest place in town!:p

I agree with you. Generally there is a kind of introductory few cents off and then every so often they have that "spend 100 euro in store and get 5 cent off petrol offer". Generally speaking the difference between Tesco and the others is minimal as can be seen on www.pumps.ie

brian076

I wouldn't get too excited about Tescos opening, unleaded is currently 132.9 in Maynooth compared to 129.9 in Applegreen a couple of miles away in Celbridge. Even Ardiff's in Leixlip which was always one of the dearest in the area are only charging 130.9.

ppearse

rubberdiddies wrote: »

whoever gave planning permission (presumably its the UDC?) will have to take a lot of the blame if it does have a negative impact on the town and West Clare as a whole. Sure they're getting a lot of revenue/rates from tesco, but now of course theyve also lost and will continue to lose the revenue/rates from the closed down shops

Just to clarify. Kilrush Town Council granted permission twice. The first application was overturned by An Bord Pleanala on traffic safety grounds.
You see it is not within the remit of any planning authority or An Bord Pleanala to refuse permission to protect existing retailers. Planning applications can only be refused for valid planning issues and the issue of competition is not a valid planning issue. Again not sure what closed down shops you are talking about. Im not aware that Tesco have closed any business in Kilrush. It seems that Tesco are a convenient excuse for every failed business to blame.

Shelflife

"Tesco sell mainly grocery goods"


White electrical goods, cds, dvds,books,clothes,flowers, alcohol, insurance, phones . none of these would be classed as grocery goods.

the problem with Tesco is they only sell the top sellers in these ranges and they sell them cheap, so any of the above retails find it hard to compete with them on price and therefore go out of business.

standard business you might say but lets say you dont want a top 20 cd but you fancy a declan nerney classic or a book on sushi cooking or a liquer that the local and specialised retailer would have stocked......well tesco wont stock them so you now have to travel 30 -40 miles to get your slightly obscure item that used to be on your doorstep.

it has been shown that a €1 spent in a locally owned shop will generate more for the economy then a €1 spent in a non locally owned shop.

short term gain for long term pain.

ppearse

Palmach wrote: »

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

Well lets do the maths. If you take an average car that hold approx. 60 litres of fuel then if for the sake of argument there is a 5 cent per litre difference between two petrol stations that makes a difference of 3 euro between the two stations on a full tank of fuel. Now if you use a tank of fuel per week as I do ( and sometimes more ) , then that equates to 156 euro per year. Maybe 156 euro per year to Palmach might mean nothing but it would tax my car for six months. Maybe Palmach is from Dublin and can hop on the Dart but here in West Clare its either use a car or walk.

ppearse

Shelflife wrote: »

"Tesco sell mainly grocery goods"


White electrical goods, cds, dvds,books,clothes,flowers, alcohol, insurance, phones . none of these would be classed as grocery goods.

the problem with Tesco is they only sell the top sellers in these ranges and they sell them cheap, so any of the above retails find it hard to compete with them on price and therefore go out of business.

standard business you might say but lets say you dont want a top 20 cd but you fancy a declan nerney classic or a book on sushi cooking or a liquer that the local and specialised retailer would have stocked......well tesco wont stock them so you now have to travel 30 -40 miles to get your slightly obscure item that used to be on your doorstep.

it has been shown that a €1 spent in a locally owned shop will generate more for the economy then a €1 spent in a non locally owned shop.

short term gain for long term pain.

And what about all the normal everyday items that people in Kilrush and West Clare were travelling to Ennis and Limerick to buy because we couldnt get them locally. What about that new release DVD that you mention that only Record Rack in Ennis had but now we have on our doorstep ?

What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?

As for Declan Nearny and Sushi Cooking ? Jesus help us !

Shelflife

"What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?"


what about the local solicitors, accountants, painters,builders, handy men, suppliers that the local shops used?

What about the millions of euros that will be repatriated back to the uk?

ppearse

brian076 wrote: »

I wouldn't get too excited about Tescos opening, unleaded is currently 132.9 in Maynooth compared to 129.9 in Applegreen a couple of miles away in Celbridge. Even Ardiff's in Leixlip which was always one of the dearest in the area are only charging 130.9.

Fully agree with you Brian. Tesco are generally on a par with most other stations according to www.pumps.ie. What is all the fuss about ? People can continue to buy their fuel wherever they wish. Tesco do not force anyone to buy anything from them.

ppearse

Shelflife wrote: »

"What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?"


what about the local solicitors, accountants, painters,builders, handy men, suppliers that the local shops used?

What about the millions of euros that will be repatriated back to the uk?

Exactly ! What about them. And your point is ??
This is the big bad world of business we live in.

Your obviously listening to too much Declan Nearney and eating too much Sushi. Come out into the real world.

finbarrk

Another problem for the town will be the fact that consumers will be able to do their shopping and also get their motor fuel without actually stopping in the town at all.
It's just not good news for the town business people.
I have noticed how there are much more free car parking spaces recently anyway in the town,I presume as a result of both big supermarkets on the outskirts.
It's not costing me anything because I'm not involved in anything there but I feel sorry for them after this announcement.

Maggiesims

Sham Squire wrote: »

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

I agree with this post. Everyone has to drive in rural ireland so why do we have to pay more. If tesco are the cheapest for petrol/diesel I will be buying there. If local fuel pump stations stop whinging about competition and dropped their prices obviously most people will buy from them. Its an easy solution. Sick of local businesses whinging about losing customers to big superstores. DROP PRICES, WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SURVIVE THIS RECESSION.

mikemac

Compete or die, same for any small business

The local petrol stations can use this as an opportunity to shake up their business.
Expand the shop and offer cheap petrol to get more customers maybe

Sitting back and complaining isn't going to separate you from the crowd.

Sham Squire wrote: »

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

We buy fuel by the litre.
If it was 1.32 per gallon then we'd be paying 35 cent per litre

Palmach

ppearse wrote: »

Well lets do the maths. If you take an average car that hold approx. 60 litres of fuel then if for the sake of argument there is a 5 cent per litre difference between two petrol stations that makes a difference of 3 euro between the two stations on a full tank of fuel. Now if you use a tank of fuel per week as I do ( and sometimes more ) , then that equates to 156 euro per year. Maybe 156 euro per year to Palmach might mean nothing but it would tax my car for six months. Maybe Palmach is from Dublin and can hop on the Dart but here in West Clare its either use a car or walk.

I live in West Clare. Unlike you I run a local business. I am arguing with ignorance here and the good old fashioned peasant mentality of "shur tis chayper dare" that is alive and kicking in the West of Ireland. Read two books Shopped and Not On The Label about the wasteland that is the centre of British towns and cities thanks to the likes of Tesco. Then come back to me.

Shelflife

ppearse wrote: »

Exactly ! What about them. And your point is ??
This is the big bad world of business we live in.

You made the point that the employees of tesco would spend their wages locally, i made the point that the local tradesmen/ professionals would have less to spend as their income would drop as the local businesses reduced their spend.

I also made the point that the profits repatriated to the UK will more then out weigh the money they spend in the area.

Therefore tesco will result in less money on the locality then before.

Palmach

Maggiesims wrote: »

I agree with this post. Everyone has to drive in rural ireland so why do we have to pay more. If tesco are the cheapest for petrol/diesel I will be buying there. If local fuel pump stations stop whinging about competition and dropped their prices obviously most people will buy from them. Its an easy solution. Sick of local businesses whinging about losing customers to big superstores. DROP PRICES, WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SURVIVE THIS RECESSION.

What do you do for a living?

Palmach

Shelflife wrote: »

You made the point that the employees of tesco would spend their wages locally, i made the point that the local tradesmen/ professionals would have less to spend as their income would drop as the local businesses reduced their spend.

I also made the point that the profits repatriated to the UK will more then out weigh the money they spend in the area.

Therefore tesco will result in less money on the locality then before.

What you say is true and proven to be so.
http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/good_neighbours_community.pdf

Maggiesims

Palmach wrote: »

I live in West Clare. Unlike you I run a local business. I am arguing with ignorance here and the good old fashioned peasant mentality of "shur tis chayper dare" that is alive and kicking in the West of Ireland. Read two books Shopped and Not On The Label about the wasteland that is the centre of British towns and cities thanks to the likes of Tesco. Then come back to me.

"shur tis chayer dare" : this is not good old fashioned peasant mentality alive and kicking in the west of ireland. It is called "shopping around for the cheapest price"