Electric dog collars

politicsdude

Green Hornet wrote: »

It's far better than having a dog chained up!

yeah my initial thoughts were that having it tied up or in a small run is much worse than having the fence.

koppy

Green Hornet wrote: »

I knew as soon as I saw this thread that the cruelty stories would come out again. :rolleyes:

Some people seem to assume that the dog will be walking up to the electric fence and getting shocked over and over. Must be one thick dog!!! Or a very thick owner who doesn't understand the technique.

Works well for us (1/2 acre) and the boxer. Not pleasant when introducing her to it I'll admit but after the introduction she has free rein all over the 1/2 acre and never even attempts to get out on the road anymore.

Don't get put off by horror stories of shocking dogs 100 times a day. Thats not how it works. It's far better than having a dog chained up!

exactly..cant recommend it highly enough.

politicsdude

i might see if i can get one on a trial basis or something if it works great, if its hurting him and he's not learning I guess I'll have to get rid of it

Green Hornet

politicsdude wrote: »

yeah my initial thoughts were that having it tied up or in a small run is much worse than having the fence.

That was our problem too. The dog is a boisterous boxer .
Never meant to be chained up or stuck in a small run.

I'm not saying that there are not people out there who use it incorrectly - and thats cruel!! That being said I found it very easy to set up.

koppy

hadnt seen that face book page before..nasty.

my dog has got one "hit" from the collar and i think all dogs will and he was fine immediately afterwards. that was 3 yrs ago. he now walks around the garden along the line of its first warning beep even when switched off. even for food he wont pass the first warning beep. this has greatly improved he freedom and quality of life.

you are given a booklet on how to train the dog. its simple stuff.

again the cruelty crowd prob dont realise that the dog is not shocked every day..or every week/month. once in three years..!

Cherry Blossom

koppy wrote: »

most of the people who are against these because they are cruel haven't seen them working.
proper setup..proper training..proper collar

Your right I've only ever seen one of these and I saw it not working.
Proper setup, proper training, proper collar :rolleyes:. Give any advise you like but stop conteracting my posts making assumptions and telling me I'm wrong. It DOES NOT work for EVERY DOG irrelevant of whether you think it's cruel or not!

Discodog

Years ago I inadvertently got involved in discussion between the RSPCA & the US Company that invented Invisible Fences. The fence company did not the units to be retailed directly to the public. The idea was that a local rep would advice on the best system & layout. They would then install it & train the dog\owner.

I believe that electronic fences & training collars may be justified but only in very special circumstances & by professionals. I know of some dog owners who swear by them but there are also many more who use an electronic fence because they are too lazy to put up a real fence. I also known of a couple of specialist trainers who have successfully used electronic trainers to control & in some cases totally eliminate chase responses with Greyhounds prior to re-homing.

You see far more electronic fences in Ireland than in the UK. They are sold as an easy option especially as the Irish tend not to fence gardens.

koppy

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Your right I've only ever seen one of these and I saw it not working.
Proper setup, proper training, proper collar :rolleyes:. Give any advise you like but stop conteracting my posts making assumptions and telling me I'm wrong. It DOES NOT work for EVERY DOG irrelevant of whether you think it's cruel or not!

wasn't counteracting your post with an assumption.

never said it works for all dogs. know of three people (myself and two others) who use this and all the problems we've had were based on wrong size collar, wrong set up and not training properly. set up correctly they do work. poor set up or poor training ( and retraining every 6/8 weeks)they wont work. thats all im saying.

" most of the people who are against these because they are cruel haven't seen them working.
proper setup..proper training..proper collar"

an earlier poster said they were cruel..then said that when the sensor was turned up it gave a bigger shock. giving advise about something that they didnt know how it worked. thats why i made the above comment. at least check it out first before you write it off. was not aimed at you..

Zapperzy

I have never felt the shock off a shock collar so cannot comment on the pain of it, a few issues that I have with these invisible fences aside from the pain aspect of it is that they do not stop people or other dogs coming onto your property so that leaves your dog open to being attacked by a straying dog coming on to your property or to dog thieves easily walking into your garden and taking your dog.
Lately there has been so many cases of dogs being stolen and it's not just in the big cities it's everywhere, even in rural areas, I personally know of one woman who had 2 boxers stolen, one male one female (both not neutered so stolen for breeding) and they lived in the back end of nowhere in rural sligo. So I would have thought people would be more conscious of keeping their dogs secure and safe, with an invisible fence this is not possible, at least with a fenced in garden or run you can lock gates with padlocks and make the garden harder to see into.

pokertalk

dont know much about these but is it not kind of like kicking or hitting your dog[but worse] as a way of training them .putting fear into a dog as a method of telling it what not to do seems a bidtf...ed up

DoMyBooks

We've been using electric collars on our two dogs for the last 3 years.

Before I put the collar on the dog I shocked myself with it, Its not too bad. Since then i've been shocked a few times (once through stupidity while testing the fence and a few times showing friends why I dont believe its cruel)

The dogs wern't impressed while being trained but got used to the collar very quickly. In the 3 years we had it they have never escaped and are happy out. The dogs are terrier/sheepdog/273 other breeds mixed in and are very ingenious. There small (10kgs) and managed to scale a 6 foot wood fence in our last house by landing on it and climbing over.

Had I read some of the links above I would certainly have thought twice before putting the collars on but at the time our options were limited and they work well.
We had a bichon pup who was too small to use the collar and she managed to escape out of the garden through after a visitor left the gate open and was killed by a passing tractor.

I would certainly consider putting the collar on other dogs.

Hope this helps

boxerly

Shock collars = CRUEL !! IMO.Why not spent the money on building a big huge run? for when ye go out.Ive seen dogs with burns from them and its not nice .

Senna

I would agree that these fences aren't a good idea for most people.
I've had one for over a year and it's worked out brilliant, but that's because i spent the time to train the dog into it. It was in place for over a month before the dog was allowed out on his own, in that first month he was only allowed out on a lead or while supervised. Since then he can spend hours outside even without the collar, and will happily play in his safe area. He outside everyday for about 5-6 hours, but its about a month since he had the collar on.

Our garden is over an acre and fencing just isn't a possibility, its worked very well for us, but i would not recommend it. Most people will just put out the wire and let the dog learn from his mistakes, thats barbaric and cruel. If you looking for a quick fix, build a run or walls, but not an electric collar.

koppy

politicsdude wrote: »

I'm thinking of getting one of those collars you know the ones where you can set out an area kinda like an electric fence to keep the dog from running out on the road but to allow him to have a bit of freedom.
The collars are very expensive though like 150 quid or something are they worth the cost?

basically the answer is yes they are worth 150 quid.

when used right they are an excellent way of controlling your dog within your garden. when set up correctly and proper training is carried out they are extremely good and cheap (compared to fencing a garden) method.

cruelty issues are found when training and set up recommendations are not followed. takes at least 4/5 weeks to train and training needs to be topped up every 6-8 weeks. most people only hear of the disaster stories and see the horror pictures caused by lack of above.

from what i've seen works on all size dogs. my dog is small bishon and went to see how it works in a house with two german shepards. have heard of boxers working with it as well. dogs will cross the line if not prpoerly trained as the Shock the recieve is no where near as "cruel" as made out by people who only see the horror stories and have never seen the proper safe fully trained syetem.

falabo

this is cruelty to animals and should be made illegal.

sure if you have a big fancy house with land because you entered that competetion during the boom, you should be able to afford proper fences ....

boxerly

I totally agree

Green Hornet

No point being a part of this thread because people seem intent on believing that owners purposely bring their dogs into contact with the electric fence multiple times.:rolleyes:

People dont seem to understand that the fence is used to mark out a boundary and the dog then identifies that boundary AS the boundary and does not get a shock.

To be honest, I find the idea of tying a dog up with a chain or allowing them a few metres of a run a hell of a lot more cruel! So please dont come on here shouting about people who use the electric fences PROPERLY as cruel. Take a look at yourselves and how you restrict your dogs freedom.

In reality I dont believe anybody on this thread aims to be cruel to animals so it bugs me when I see all this cruelty stuff thrown about. Sure there are electric fence owners in the worls who are cruel, equally there are chain owners and dog run owners who are cruel.

koppy

falabo wrote: »

this is cruelty to animals and should be made illegal.

sure if you have a big fancy house with land because you entered that competetion during the boom, you should be able to afford proper fences ....

i dont have a big fancy house with land and i cant afford fencing. if i could afford fencing i dont think i would like it at the front of my house. as i said earlier i only had two choices one of these or get rid of the dog..

tying up a dog or putting him in a small run is cruelty and should be made illegal. so i didn't see these as an option.

i did my research on these before buying and all my opinions on these are based on actual experiences and not a face book page or scaremongering by others.

goat2

andreac wrote: »

You were saing to turn it up higher, i said thats cruel as they get a bigger shock, and then you thanked me.
I wasnt agreeing with you, i was disagreeing saying its cruel.

i got one for my dogs,
they roared when they got the first shock
then a week into the wearing of collar i found it had to be scrapped as i did think it was too harsh on them, since then i take them for walk every day and train them to my way and they are doing great
those collars were a nuisance, they administered pain and were cumbersome around the neck
threw them in recycling bin

ISDW

koppy wrote: »

i dont have a big fancy house with land and i cant afford fencing. if i could afford fencing i dont think i would like it at the front of my house. as i said earlier i only had two choices one of these or get rid of the dog..

tying up a dog or putting him in a small run is cruelty and should be made illegal. so i didn't see these as an option.

i did my research on these before buying and all my opinions on these are based on actual experiences and not a face book page or scaremongering by others.

Its because you don't think you'd like fencing at the front of your house that you use it? , so either shock the dogs or rehome them? I'm sorry, but thats ridiculous.

I have fencing around approximately 2 acres, so my dogs are safely contained and have plenty of room to run around in - it is 6foot high and has padlocks on the gates to stop anybody coming in. I only bought the place 3 years ago, and one of the things I looked at when I was buying, was how easily it could be fenced for my dogs.

Green Hornet

goat2 wrote: »

they administered pain and were cumbersome around the neck

No offence....but either the dogs were extremely thick dogs (because they kept running up to be shocked) or the settings/distances were incorrect.

koppy

ISDW wrote: »

Its because you don't think you'd like fencing at the front of your house that you use it? , so either shock the dogs or rehome them? I'm sorry, but thats ridiculous.

I have fencing around approximately 2 acres, so my dogs are safely contained and have plenty of room to run around in - it is 6foot high and has padlocks on the gates to stop anybody coming in. I only bought the place 3 years ago, and one of the things I looked at when I was buying, was how easily it could be fenced for my dogs.

no its because i checked out my options and found this one to suit both mine and the dogs needs the best. whether i wanted fencing or not i could not afford it so your first statement is ridiculous.

secondly , if i taught my dog was going to be shocked i would not have bought it. again..working properly and trained properly the dog will not be shocked.

glad you could afford fencing as it does stop or help stop dogs been nicked..wasnt one of my options as i already stated.

andreac

koppy wrote: »

no its because i checked out my options and found this one to suit both mine and the dogs needs the best. whether i wanted fencing or not i could not afford it so your first statement is ridiculous.

secondly , if i taught my dog was going to be shocked i would not have bought it. again..working properly and trained properly the dog will not be shocked.
glad you could afford fencing as it does stop or help stop dogs been nicked..wasnt one of my options as i already stated.

Sorry, i dont think you realise, for the dog to be "trained" not to go near the perimeter where you mark, he has to be shocked. He doesnt just look at the flags and go "oh, i better not go any further":rolleyes:

The whole point of these collars is that the collar shocks them when they go too close to where you "dont" want them to go.

Sure if they just knew where not to go, what would be the point of the "electric" shock collar in the first place? You wouldnt have to put this collar on the dog if what you state is true??

You are training a dog through fear and pain. Fear of going near the perimeter in "fear" of being "shocked". So if you think this is ok to treat dogs like this, then i really feel sorry for your dog or anyone elses dogs that think its ok to use on them:mad:

koppy

just to clear things up..

my dog is treated as a family member.
i fully researched the electric collars before buying. i had heard of the same issues every one else heard of and was wary. i went and looked at one of these with a dog already trained and my mind was changed.

i spent 4-5 weeks training my dog before he was allowed out with out a lead.
every 6-8 weeks i re-train the dog.

a good few people have told that after getting one the dog keeps getting shocked, he is able to run over it and get out, the shock he gets is too much and its pure cruelty.

when you ask did you use the flags correctly they dont know what your talking about..dogs were never trained.
the shock is too much..if trained properly he will not be getting shocks
its cruel..most of these complaints are from people who never seen a proper set up with a properly trained dog.
if a dog goes any where near the first warning beep and goes further he is not trained simple as.!

another one..you have to shock the dog to train him...wrong again no shock required to train. the collar either vibrates or beeps as a warning. really think you should go and check out some one who is in the middle of training a dog and see how it works as i dont think facebook captured the system working properly.

my decision was based on several issues and the dogs safety was top of the issues. the look of the fence was not one of them. at the time if i could of afforded fencing i would not have researched the electric collars and would be probably advising not to buy as they are cruel and dont work.

creaghadoos

just buy one, but make sure it's the right one.

i have one on my irish setter on a 3/4 acre site, she broke through it once chasing a pheasant, but i would still say it's the best money i have spent.

i would rather my dog gets the odd wee shock than get hit by a car

andreac

creaghadoos wrote: »

just buy one, but make sure it's the right one.

i have one on my irish setter on a 3/4 acre site, she broke through it once chasing a pheasant, but i would still say it's the best money i have spent.

i would rather my dog gets the odd wee shock than get hit by a car

They wouldnt have to get hit by a car if they were fenced in properly:rolleyes:

ISDW

koppy wrote: »

no its because i checked out my options and found this one to suit both mine and the dogs needs the best. whether i wanted fencing or not i could not afford it so your first statement is ridiculous.

secondly , if i taught my dog was going to be shocked i would not have bought it. again..working properly and trained properly the dog will not be shocked.

glad you could afford fencing as it does stop or help stop dogs been nicked..wasnt one of my options as i already stated.

You said it, not me, you said you didn't think you'd like fencing at the front of your house - I didn't make it up, I quoted you, re-read your own posts.

creaghadoos wrote: »

just buy one, but make sure it's the right one.

i have one on my irish setter on a 3/4 acre site, she broke through it once chasing a pheasant, but i would still say it's the best money i have spent.

i would rather my dog gets the odd wee shock than get hit by a car

Then it doesn't work. Obviously she broke through it because there was something the other side that she really, really wanted, how do you know she won't do the same again, if she sees something of high value on the other side. What if a car had been coming along when she broke out after the pheasant? She would have got a shock and then got hit by a car. I'm sorry, but by posting that I think that you have actually shown how ineffective these collars really are.

Limestone1

antomagoo wrote: »

I honestly believe that people who think shocking a dog is not cruel should try these collars out themselves first, I work in an enviroment with live voltages and any shock no mater how small is damn uncomfortable and not pleasent at all

And these uncomfortable shocks - have they taught you to stop touching ??

andreac

koppy wrote: »

no its because i checked out my options and found this one to suit both mine and the dogs needs the best. whether i wanted fencing or not i could not afford it so your first statement is ridiculous.



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You stated in one of your earlier posts that you didnt think you would "LIKE" fencing in your front garden so ISDW isnt being ridiculous because you were the one that wrote that in the first place?

koppy

ISDW wrote: »

You said it, not me, you said you didn't think you'd like fencing at the front of your house - I didn't make it up, I quoted you, re-read your own posts.



Then it doesn't work. Obviously she broke through it because there was something the other side that she really, really wanted, how do you know she won't do the same again, if she sees something of high value on the other side. What if a car had been coming along when she broke out after the pheasant? She would have got a shock and then got hit by a car. I'm sorry, but by posting that I think that you have actually shown how ineffective these collars really are.

at the time fencing wasnt an option because i couldnt afford it. thats what i posted..check again. wasnt clear in first post so made it clear further down.


maybe you should check out a fully trained dog in a proper setup and then watch a dog been trained properly instead of using "he dosent like a fence" so he would rather rehome as an arguement