Daniel Levy/Joe Lewis

Leinstersqspur

Hatch99 wrote: »

it was unbelievably frustrating that we didn't open the chequebook to some degree once we made the CL.
You need to build on such minor success such as making the QF of the CL, not stand still.

I agree that it was frustrating, we all expected a Suarez or Aguero type signing, but the club want long term success not short term. To attract and keep these payers we need a sustainable wage bill ergo a new stadium

Dublin Spur wrote: »

I know I would and he would have probabaly been the difference between 4th and 5th (we'll never know for sure of course)

We've come 4th twice in the last three years

Dublin Spur wrote: »

We will be fine under ENIC, never in trouble (probabaly), never challenging the best (guaranteed). It's kind of a football no mans land

We're closer now to a consistent run of success in the premiership than we have ever been, keep the faith, Audere est Facere;)

Dublin Spur

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

I agree that it was frustrating, we all expected a Suarez or Aguero type signing, but the club want long term success not short term. To attract and keep these payers we need a sustainable wage bill ergo a new stadium

We've come 4th twice in the last three years



We're closer now to a consistent run of success in the premiership than we have ever been, keep the faith, Audere est Facere;)

What is success though ?

What Man Utd, City and Chelsea have done/won is my definition
ie Actual tengible success and not just the "feeling" of improvement

To get that proper tangible success you need to invest proper tangible cash
This won't happen under ENIC I'm afraid.

Dublin Spur

Ormus wrote: »

I agree that was the time to push the boat out a little and I firmly believe Levy would have smashed our transfer record if the right player came along. It didn't happen and the club decided not to spend money just for the sake of it. We got VdV, which raised the profile of the club and maybe gave us another dimension and some Champions League experience.

We would NEVER have got a player of the calibre of Aguero, I promise you that. Those kind of players want to win trophies and regular Champions League and 150k+ a week. We were Champions League novices.

I don't know how you can suggest that we will never make significant progress and always stay where we are. We have clearly made significant progress in the last few years alone. Apart from the excellent running of the club, the squad we have now is a dream team for someone like me, who supported us all through the dark dark 90s. We have never had it so good in my football supporting lifetime. How can people not see that?

2 yrs ago we could have gone for Aguero and we would have been in with a shout IMO. CL club, London based, Going places

I can only imagine ENIC would have been put off by the feee/wages.
So we ended up with Crouch, that is the difference

I agree we would have zero chance of attractinf these type of players now given our reduced stature in the game, I'm afraid the club missed the boat 2 years ago

BTW, I'm a pretty happy Spurs fan, I'm just a little peeved that we threw away the momentum we had 2 years ago when the time was perfect to break a few transfer records and wage structures and really push on.

Our club should not make any money, it should break even at worst.
If it's making money and paying shareholders, it's effecting the quality of player we can afford.

Ormus

Dublin Spur wrote: »

2 yrs ago we could have gone for Aguero and we would have been in with a shout IMO. CL club, London based, Going places

I can only imagine ENIC would have been put off by the feee/wages.
So we ended up with Crouch, that is the difference

I agree we would have zero chance of attractinf these type of players now given our reduced stature in the game, I'm afraid the club missed the boat 2 years ago

BTW, I'm a pretty happy Spurs fan, I'm just a little peeved that we threw away the momentum we had 2 years ago when the time was perfect to break a few transfer records and wage structures and really push on.

Our club should not make any money, it should break even at worst.
If it's making money and paying shareholders, it's effecting the quality of player we can afford.

I promise you we would have had zero chance of getting Aguero unless no bigger club wanted him. Zero.

I think you can probably tell I disagree very strongly with your concept of how a football club should be run.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Dublin Spur

Ormus wrote: »

I promise you we would have had zero chance of getting Aguero unless no bigger club wanted him. Zero.

I think you can probably tell I disagree very strongly with your concept of how a football club should be run.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Guess we will, but that's the way it goes, just opinions

Ormus

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Guess we will, but that's the way it goes, just opinions

Ah yeah, c'est la vie.

Antisocialiser

It's Levy Time Article.

Quite a good read echoing alot of what has been said on this thread.

2nd Row Donkey

Good article I thought, then I clicked on his blog for 'how spurs might line up next season' and saw his team contained 3-4 players and dont play for us and it lost all creditablilty.:D

Antisocialiser

To be fair he was speculating so he hardly loses all credibility. Nobody knows for certain what squad we will have when the window closes not even DL.

2nd Row Donkey

Antisocialiser wrote: »

To be fair he was speculating so he hardly loses all credibility. Nobody knows for certain what squad we will have when the window closes not even DL.

Fair enough, we all like to do a bit of mental fantasy football when it comes to picking our team for the new season but there's as much chance of us signing Ade and Moutinho and Lloris and Leandro Damiao as there is of us signing RVP and making him club captain.:D

Hatch99

http://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/levys-pride-put-tottenhams-interest/

tippspur

Hatch99 wrote: »

http://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/levys-pride-put-tottenhams-interest/

Silly article.

Leinstersqspur

I just can't understand why, if we are serious about signing Adebayor, we didn't wrap it up six months ago!

He's been at the club for almost twelve months. Surely Levy should have had him signed up the minute the season ended?

Antisocialiser

It's because Levy doesn't want to pay a bean more than he has to. He knows that Adebayor will never play for City again; couple that with the fact that no one can afford his wages and we are left in a substantial negotiating position.

We will end up signing him, I would imagine, but most likely at a snip 5 minutes before the window closes.

Dublin Spur

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

I just can't understand why, if we are serious about signing Adebayor, we didn't wrap it up six months ago!

He's been at the club for almost twelve months. Surely Levy should have had him signed up the minute the season ended?

absolutely 100% spot on

he took his eye off the ball and now we're going into another season well below strength in crucial areas, did he not learn anything from last season horrible start ?

I guess penny pinching at 23:59 on the 31st of August is still his way of doing business

Ormus

I think it's time the club's hierarchy realised that Levy should be replaced by some of the people who comment on this thread. They obviously know far more about running a football club than Levy, despite him transforming the club over the last 10 years, both on the pitch and off the pitch, and despite the fact that none of them have as much as one minute's experience of running a football club.

Why in the world would they give Levy the benefit of the doubt in the face of such overwhelmingly superior qualifications?

Dublin Spur

Ormus wrote: »

I think it's time the club's hierarchy realised that Levy should be replaced by some of the people who comment on this thread. They obviously know far more about running a football club than Levy, despite him transforming the club over the last 10 years, both on the pitch and off the pitch, and despite the fact that none of them have as much as one minute's experience of running a football club.

Why in the world would they give Levy the benefit of the doubt in the face of such overwhelmingly superior qualifications?

Making the same mistake twice is a joke, 12 months ago we were in the same boat (ie no Modric and No quality strikers)

If it saves him a few quid to seal the deals on Aug 31 he'll happily sacrifice the first few games, he's proven this beyond any doubt.

if you can't see this that's your own business

pleasant Co.

We lost to man city, the premier league champions, and man utd - a team we have an atrocious record against. Lets not forget that the man utd game was a rescheduled fixture due to the tottenham riots. After those two games we did not lose for 11 straight games.

Placing more importance on having lost against one team that bought the premier league, and one team who we haven't beaten in donkey's years to me is bizarre.

Dublin Spur

Mactard wrote: »

We lost to man city, the premier league champions, and man utd - a team we have an atrocious record against. Lets not forget that the man utd game was a rescheduled fixture due to the tottenham riots. After those two games we did not lose for 11 straight games.

Placing more importance on having lost against one team that bought the premier league, and one team who we haven't beaten in donkey's years to me is bizarre.

I'll give you Man Utd away, but 5-1 at home was a disgrace

The great run that followed was largely due to the signing made on Aug 31 (Ade and Parker) + Modric came back in, we were a much better balanced team after that.

My point is that if Levy had done our business before the start of the season we wouldn't have been bottom of the league with -7 goal difference on 1 Sep.

1 year on, and there are a lot of similarities, it's a bit of a joke

Ormus

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Making the same mistake twice is a joke, 12 months ago we were in the same boat (ie no Modric and No quality strikers)

If it saves him a few quid to seal the deals on Aug 31 he'll happily sacrifice the first few games, he's proven this beyond any doubt.

if you can't see this that's your own business

Yeah he'll happily sacrifice the first few games. Sure what does he care what results we get. He's only the chairman.

Dublin Spur

Ormus wrote: »

Yeah he'll happily sacrifice the first few games. Sure what does he care what results we get. He's only the chairman.

I'm sure he does care, but it's all about priorities

If he can save a few quid by holding off until 31 Aug he will, how can we ever expect to challenge for anying with this type of model ?

By the way, if he pulls off the signings we need before Saturday I'll take it all back

I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt he will

Leinstersqspur

Ormus wrote: »

I think it's time the club's hierarchy realised that Levy should be replaced by some of the people who comment on this thread. They obviously know far more about running a football club than Levy, despite him transforming the club over the last 10 years, both on the pitch and off the pitch, and despite the fact that none of them have as much as one minute's experience of running a football club.

Why in the world would they give Levy the benefit of the doubt in the face of such overwhelmingly superior qualifications?

Instead of mocking you could attempt to answer the question "If we are serious about signing Adebayor, we didn't wrap it up six months ago! He's been at the club for almost twelve months. Surely Levy should have had him signed up the minute the season ended?" Is it the €1m in wages we would have had to pay him over the summer?

And regards losing the first two games, the City game was an embarrassment, United I can accept. But what would you say if we lost to Necastle and West Brom because we were a few players short?

pleasant Co.

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

But what would you say if we lost to Necastle and West Brom because we were a few players short?

I don't know, we haven't lost those games as we have not played them. I will not be engaging in hypothetical nonsense with you, ta.

Bodie Doyle

Ormus wrote: »

I think it's time the club's hierarchy realised that Levy should be replaced by some of the people who comment on this thread. They obviously know far more about running a football club than Levy, despite him transforming the club over the last 10 years, both on the pitch and off the pitch, and despite the fact that none of them have as much as one minute's experience of running a football club.

Why in the world would they give Levy the benefit of the doubt in the face of such overwhelmingly superior qualifications?

We have 1 striker and the league starts in 3 days time. Levy has not sorted out Ade situation and not come up with any replacement. We as fans have ever right to be annoyed and forums like these give us a chance to vent our frustration. If you are happy with 1 striker going into the start of a campaign then fine but a lot of people on here have seen it all before and the blame has to lie with the chairman.

But as someone else posted if Levy somehow can sign a decent forward in the next day or two with minimum disruption to the team and i will give him his fair dues.

Ormus

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

Instead of mocking you could attempt to answer the question "If we are serious about signing Adebayor, we didn't wrap it up six months ago! He's been at the club for almost twelve months. Surely Levy should have had him signed up the minute the season ended?" Is it the €1m in wages we would have had to pay him over the summer?

And regards losing the first two games, the City game was an embarrassment, United I can accept. But what would you say if we lost to Necastle and West Brom because we were a few players short?

I have tried extensively to answer all questions, but some people still seem to think that they are better qualified to run a football club than Daniel Levy.

I do not know what has held up the Adebayor transfer. It seems to be a complicated combination of us not wanting to break our wage structure, him playing brinkmanship with City, and City wanting some compensation. Despite all these complications, one would think it should still have been wrapped up weeks or months ago.

The thing is, I have never been involved in the transfer of a professional footballer and I have no idea of what myriad complications can occur, beyond what I read in the tabloids.

Do you?

2nd Row Donkey

I have just walked into the soccer forum?

Leinstersqspur

Ormus wrote: »

I have tried extensively to answer all questions, but some people still seem to think that they are better qualified to run a football club than Daniel Levy.

I've actually agreed with you for the most part of this thread.

Ormus wrote: »

The thing is, I have never been involved in the transfer of a professional footballer and I have no idea of what myriad complications can occur, beyond what I read in the tabloids. Do you?

No experience in football transfers I'm afraid. But I'm trying to relate the situation with any other player who spent a successful season on loan and then spent the whole following off season at a stalemate until the last days of the window. I was thinking maybe Levy is trying to save the €1m in wages over the summer? Merely prompting discussion, never once suggesting I have superior credentials to our incumbent chairman! :P:P:P:P

Ormus

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

I've actually agreed with you for the most part of this thread.



No experience in football transfers I'm afraid. But I'm trying to relate the situation with any other player who spent a successful season on loan and then spent the whole following off season at a stalemate until the last days of the window. I was thinking maybe Levy is trying to save the €1m in wages over the summer? Merely prompting discussion, never once suggesting I have superior credentials to our incumbent chairman! :P:P:P:P

That's fair enough. I find it frustrating too. From what I've read it seems to be more Adebayor holding City to ransom than anything else. But who really knows.

Mr. Guappa

Mactard wrote: »

We lost to man city, the premier league champions, and man utd - a team we have an atrocious record against. Lets not forget that the man utd game was a rescheduled fixture due to the tottenham riots. After those two games we did not lose for 11 straight games.

Placing more importance on having lost against one team that bought the premier league, and one team who we haven't beaten in donkey's years to me is bizarre.

We were extremely lucky that the Everton game was called off and that the next 2 were games we would have been expecting maybe a maximum of 1 point from. We would have lost those three games against any opposition we were that bad. It could easily have been Wigan, Bolton and Villa as our opponents, which would've been 7-9 points down the drain.

Ormus

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

We were extremely lucky that the Everton game was called off and that the next 2 were games we would have been expecting maybe a maximum of 1 point from. We would have lost those three games against any opposition we were that bad. It could easily have been Wigan, Bolton and Villa as our opponents, which would've been 7-9 points down the drain.

How do you know?

City and United ran rings around us, but they are good teams and they were on fire at the start of the season.

This really has strayed into wild speculation now.