Daniel Levy/Joe Lewis

mickman

Sugarlumps wrote: »

The lads at Southampton managed to get the jist? His English is fine, no worse then Scolari/Ancelotti.

its much worse than ancelloti's .

Why are our players saying so they dont understand what he is asking them to do ? They dont understand the words press / tackle/ pass etc - they must be more idiotic then we already think :-)

Devo from Dublin

My take on our system is....

When we have the ball we have the inverted wingers, who when on the ball, they cut inside and interchange, and this allows the fullbacks to have the whole flank to themselves...( something i think Walker would relish).
When the opposition have the ball, we close them down, hunt in packs...which was very evident in the USA tour, but i havent seen much of it lately...maybe because their LAZY!!!!

2nd Row Donkey

mickman wrote:

Poch . You ever heard his interviews ?

I did, which is why I was surprised.
I think his English is grand. as good as several other managers and better then some epl players


what's all this about some players saying they don't understand him or understand what they are supposed to be doing. I don't like the sound of that but I haven't seen anything reported elsewhere

Hatch99

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11227490/Tottenham-braced-for-second-bid-from-new-consortium.html

mickman

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

I did, which is why I was surprised.
I think his English is grand. as good as several other managers and better then some epl players


what's all this about some players saying they don't understand him or understand what they are supposed to be doing. I don't like the sound of that but I haven't seen anything reported elsewhere

Go to the post on ade and read what he has to say

Leinstersqspur

Hatch99 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11227490/Tottenham-braced-for-second-bid-from-new-consortium.html

Am I reading this correctly?

The valuation of the club is £1bn. ENIC bought Spurs for around £80m. Even allowing for inflation the club is potentially valued at 10 times the initial cost to ENIC and all this without investing any money into the club i.e. our cost neutral transfer policy.

So, do Lewis and Levy stand to make a couple of £'00m profit when they inevitably sell?

Leinstersqspur

Hatch99 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11227490/Tottenham-braced-for-second-bid-from-new-consortium.html

Am I reading this correctly?

The valuation of the club is £1bn. ENIC bought Spurs for around £80m. Even allowing for inflation the club is potentially valued at 10 times the initial cost to ENIC and all this without investing any money into the club i.e. our cost neutral transfer policy.

So, do Lewis and Levy stand to make a couple of £'00m profit when they inevitably sell?

irishmover

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

Am I reading this correctly?

The valuation of the club is £1bn. ENIC bought Spurs for around £80m. Even allowing for inflation the club is potentially valued at 10 times the initial cost to ENIC and all this without investing any money into the club i.e. our cost neutral transfer policy.

So, do Lewis and Levy stand to make a couple of £'00m profit when they inevitably sell?

You sure they didn't invest any money into the club? I'm sure you realise there's more to running a club than just buying and selling players.

Leinstersqspur

irishmover wrote: »

You sure they didn't invest any money into the club? I'm sure you realise there's more to running a club than just buying and selling players.

I do. Are you aware of any capital investment made by ENIC?

irishmover

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

I do. Are you aware of any capital investment made by ENIC?

The wasted money on trying to get the stadium up and going. The training centre. Players wages. Local youth development programs. I'm sure there's plenty more.

They'll definitely make money but just because they break even/make a small profit in the transfer market doesn't mean that they're set to gain an absolute fortune from their investment. I have no idea how much they've actually spent on the club, neither do you so this discussion won't go anywhere. I was simply just making sure you understood there's more to running a club than buying and selling players.

They won't get £1b for the club though that's for sure.

Devo from Dublin

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/2014/11/s4e15-nineteen-eighty-four/

i listen to the podcasts on a wednesday morning going to work...
This one is about EnicOUT ...95mins....decent enough most weeks.

Also The Spurs Show with Phil Cornwall.

LostArt

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

Am I reading this correctly?

The valuation of the club is £1bn. ENIC bought Spurs for around £80m. Even allowing for inflation the club is potentially valued at 10 times the initial cost to ENIC and all this without investing any money into the club i.e. our cost neutral transfer policy.

So, do Lewis and Levy stand to make a couple of £'00m profit when they inevitably sell?

Value of club and "stadium" is 1bn, based on that the club alone is somewhere in the region of 400m - 500m, which in itself is a massive profit for Lewis and Levy.

Dublin Spur

they will sell up when someone meets their massively overinflated valuation

until then we're stuck with the paracites in an everending world of averageness and new managers

hey ho

Mayo Yid

Dublin Spur wrote: »

they will sell up when someone meets their massively overinflated valuation

until then we're stuck with the paracites in an everending world of averageness and new managers

hey ho

We'll get Vincent Tan and you'll be jumping for joy

DubPerryman

irishmover wrote: »

The wasted money on trying to get the stadium up and going. The training centre. Players wages. Local youth development programs. I'm sure there's plenty more.

Money wasted on drawings and legal bills for the new stadium, maybe.

The training centre capital was borrowed and does not have to paid back for a while (I didn't negotiate the deal, but it's referred to in the shareholders' annual report.)

Wages are paid for with tickets sales, merchandise sales and so on. Our net spend has been cut over the last few years due to rising wage costs (i.e. wages are not coming out of ENIC's pocket.)

Local youth development programmes, can't cost that much though I imagine Spurs are afforded a level of tax incentives based on their community work - net cost to ENIC will be next to nothing.

DubPerryman

The £1bn valuation being bandied about is ridiculous, as everyone knows. Though I assume it is a potential value of the club IF the stadium is built and IF we get Champions League Football. After all, they will be selling to investors.... these people don't want to hear that their investment will meander over the next few years with a possibility of making a million here or there.

Realistically ENIC will sell majority shareholding for £300m or something, request that DL stays chairman for a certain period of time (maybe after the stadium is built) and agree an inflated price for the rest of their shares.

To be noted, the actual value of the club currently is £340 according to Forbes.

Dublin Spur

Mayo Yid wrote: »

We'll get Vincent Tan and you'll be jumping for joy

no thanks

Hatch99

http://theboyhotspur.com/director-of-funerals/?

Leinstersqspur

irishmover wrote: »

The wasted money on trying to get the stadium up and going. The training centre. Players wages. Local youth development programs. I'm sure there's plenty more.

They'll definitely make money but just because they break even/make a small profit in the transfer market doesn't mean that they're set to gain an absolute fortune from their investment. I have no idea how much they've actually spent on the club, neither do you so this discussion won't go anywhere. I was simply just making sure you understood there's more to running a club than buying and selling players.

They won't get £1b for the club though that's for sure.

So you're assuming the money for the stadium project, the training centre, the players wages and the local youth development projects are all funded by ENIC and not the club?

Thanks for the lesson, here was me thinking we gave all out gate money to sky and Alan Sugar picked up the wage bill..

What we do know is how much they paid for the club when they acquired the shares. We could also assume that the club is not loss making and the balance sheet is fairly healthy, as the annual reports suggest http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-club/investor-relations/annual-reports/ the club is returning profits every year (excluding player trading).

Dublin Spur

ENIC and the spineless players are the only ones doing well out of spurs

Levy and Lewis will land an absolute fortune when they finally piss off

Depressing period in our history

Ormus

Blaming Levy is hilarious. I wonder are some people still saying he shouldn't have sold Bale.

All the people who said the Bale money shouldn't have been spent on foreigners are presumably gobsmacked at the progress of Southampton this season. They've gone very quiet though.

Leinstersqspur

Ormus wrote: »

Blaming Levy is hilarious. I wonder are some people still saying he shouldn't have sold Bale.

Are you for real? I think even Levy blames Levy at this stage, hence he's conceded the recruitment policy to Pochettino and is now bringing in Paul Mitchell who as you've stated has recruited extremely well at Southampton.

Did you listen to Comoli's words during the week (interview on off the ball too) about our shambolic scouting system? He's obviously got an axe to grind but Levy is fully responsible for our scouting network and the spending of £135m, our biggest spend in history via one man in Baldini based on little data and a few key agents.

Keep waving your little ENIC flag mate;)

Ormus

Leinstersqspur wrote: »

Are you for real? I think even Levy blames Levy at this stage, hence he's conceded the recruitment policy to Pochettino and is now bringing in Paul Mitchell who as you've stated has recruited extremely well at Southampton.

Did you listen to Comoli's words during the week (interview on off the ball too) about our shambolic scouting system? He's obviously got an axe to grind but Levy is fully responsible for our scouting network and the spending of £135m, our biggest spend in history via one man in Baldini based on little data and a few key agents.

Keep waving your little ENIC flag mate;)

You're naive if you thought there was any chance Commolli would bang a different drum.

Baldini has been awful but he came with a good reputation and was a sound appointment without the benefit of hindsight. Not one poster here said any different at the time, not one.

Fans need someone to blame and the buck stops with Levy. But don't confuse that with him being actually to blame.

Only time will tell. We'll see how new owners or a new chairman do. Probably sooner rather than later, although who knows. Just don't expect a magic wand.

Mayo Yid

Lol, Damien Comolli, guys been sacked at every club he's been to

Kiith

Yeah, i wouldn't use Comolli as an example of anything good. We absolutely hated the guy when he was at the club (iirc).

Dublin Spur

Everything that happens at THFC (good and bad) is a result of decisions made by the chairman /owners. All roads lead to Levy and Lewis.

In ENIC's tenure so far, we peaked at around 2010-12 and are now back were we started 13 years ago.

ENIC absolutely deserve credit for getting us to the heights of 2010/12 but they also deserve criticism for the decisions they made that have taken us massively backwards since. It also worth noting that 2001 to 2005 were utterly shambolic years as well.

Most supporters are sick of it and this has been reflected in attendance figures and the deafening silence around WHL on Match-days - it's a sad period for this great club.

KingdomYid

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Everything that happens at THFC (good and bad) is a result of decisions made by the chairman /owners. All roads lead to Levy and Lewis.

In ENIC's tenure so far, we peaked at around 2010-12 and are now back were we started 13 years ago.

ENIC absolutely deserve credit for getting us to the heights of 2010/12 but they also deserve criticism for the decisions they made that have taken us massively backwards since. It also worth noting that 2001 to 2005 were utterly shambolic years as well.

Most supporters are sick of it and this has been reflected in attendance figures and the deafening silence around WHL on Match-days - it's a sad period for this great club.

Agree with all of this really, ENIC did take us to the heights in 2010 - 2012, a period which we all loved, but failed to go to the next step and have created a mess since. Like all other businesses the buck stops with the chief so therefore the buck stops with Levy. WHL is like a morgue now and as a person who travels fairly regulary it is really easy to get tickets now.

Leinstersqspur

Ormus wrote: »

You're naive if you thought there was any chance Commolli would bang a different drum.

Baldini has been awful but he came with a good reputation and was a sound appointment without the benefit of hindsight. Not one poster here said any different at the time, not one.

Fans need someone to blame and the buck stops with Levy. But don't confuse that with him being actually to blame.

Only time will tell. We'll see how new owners or a new chairman do. Probably sooner rather than later, although who knows. Just don't expect a magic wand.

As I said, he's obviously got an axe to grind but he was brought in to sign players undervalued in the market and in hindsight he brought in two of our best ever players in Bale and Modric. His scouting is data driven (sabremetrics style) the same way Paul Mitchell's is. Of course everyone points to Andy Carroll as his biggest failure but they did swap Torres and Babel for Suarez and Carroll.

Baldini had a reputation for being a guy with a lot of connections and a guy who could strike a deal. That's all well and good but who's scouting the players? Who's identifying the players before Baldini/Levy get involved?

This "but don't confuse that with him being actually to blame" leaves me totally confused.. Who is to blame for our club & team looking completely rudderless?

Mayo Yid

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/2014/11/enic-are-not-the-problem/

Hatch99