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UPC vs Eircom 8Mbs are Eircom for real?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sonic.trip


    Skerries wrote: »
    what do power users like that use it for?
    are they downloading HD movies and if so where are they storing it?
    or are they using it for server purposes?

    I used 600gb as an example of when I downloaded in the last year and didn't get charged. I don't donwload 600 every month but would use 250 or so.

    Also 2TB HD's are very cheap these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭bricks


    Once you run out of drive letters you can start mounting your drives in folders :)
    Not-so-legal Movies
    Not-so-legal games
    Not-so-legal TV series
    Legal ISO images (Linux etc)
    Porn...lot's of porn.
    Youtube

    Erm...just speaking generally...I don't mean this is what I do.

    As for storage....hard disk drives are very cheap these days. My pc is almost out of alphabetical letters for the drive names...I wonder what happens after Drive Z:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    or do what i did and buy a decent sized nas.

    you can get 7 or 8 drive nas's for a few hundred quid and fill them full of 2tb drives in raid5 and you've got over 10tb of storage at your disposal. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sonic.trip


    vibe666 wrote: »
    or do what i did and buy a decent sized nas.

    you can get 7 or 8 drive nas's for a few hundred quid and fill them full of 2tb drives in raid5 and you've got over 10tb of storage at your disposal. :)

    Bought a nice LaCie a year or so ago and then wished I had of bought a nice NAS afterwards!!

    Althought there was quite a significant price difference between a eSATA HD and a NAS HD. How much did you pay for yours mate'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    well, i went a bit extreme and bought a thecus n7700 which is a 7 bay jobbie. i currently have 4x 1.5tb disks in it which (using RAID5) gives me around 4tb of storage, although i'm using some of that for iSCSI at the moment.

    the thing about getting a multi disk nas is that you still need to have some kind of backup solution in place to do it properly.

    raid5 is going to protect you from a single disk failure, but that's not the only way to break your nas and if you lose it, it's all gone then, whereas if you'd lost one disk out of 4 or 5 disks, you'll only lose the data on that disk and still have the rest.

    my next step is to buy a 4 bay esata enclosure and put 2x 2tb disks in that (jbod) to backup what i have now on the nas and have nsync run every night to keep an up to date copy and then stick 3 more 1.5tb disks in the nas and go from there and maybe add another 2tb disk.

    it's never ending really. :)

    one thing i would say though is don't go for a thecus nas if you do, you'd be much better off with a synology nas, they are heaps better. even the single drive synology nas's have better features than my thecus. i only went for it when i did because of a special offer on it at the time, but if i'd had a chance to compare the OS's and features running on them I'd have gone straight for a synology.

    anyway, kinda gone off topic a bit. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭christo82


    DAMN!!! I just checked the UPC site, and they still don't do broadband or phone in my area(Skerries). So I guess I'm stuck with Eircom for the foreseeable. The only real problem I have with Eircom is the download limit-30GB. I seem to get through that quite quickly, but I'm not sure how. I don't download movies or any other huge files. As far as Speeds on the NGB, I get 7MB usually. Just waiting to see my next bill to see if they'll charge me for the excess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭sonic.trip


    christo82 wrote: »
    DAMN!!! I just checked the UPC site, and they still don't do broadband or phone in my area(Skerries). So I guess I'm stuck with Eircom for the foreseeable. The only real problem I have with Eircom is the download limit-30GB. I seem to get through that quite quickly, but I'm not sure how. I don't download movies or any other huge files. As far as Speeds on the NGB, I get 7MB usually. Just waiting to see my next bill to see if they'll charge me for the excess.

    1.65 per gb, max of 20euro per month

    just cancelled them and gettting vodafone, 120gb d/l allaowance and cheaper too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭WillieFlynn


    vibe666 wrote: »
    the fastest consumer broadband in europe is offered by UPC in some of it's territories (holland for one) and it's 120mbps down and 10mbps up. you'll be hard pressed to find anything quicker than that anywhere outside of asia.

    Go to Paris and some other French cities. They have put fiber into many buildings giving 100Mb up & down for 30 euro per month (inc. TV and phone).

    The modems they use are 1Gb, but currently they limit packages to 100Mb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Go to Paris and some other French cities. They have put fiber into many buildings giving 100Mb up & down for 30 euro per month (inc. TV and phone).

    The modems they use are 1Gb, but currently they limit packages to 100Mb.
    but it's not widespread enough to be considered a realistic option for most people. you can get 100mbps in some parts of london too, but it's not available to the vast majority of people, much the same as 100mbps fibre in france, but unlike UPC in the netherlands and elsewhere (even ireland) where they are major players.

    france has a very high uptake of broadband, but well over 90% of it is ADSL users, so if you take into account the cable and other broadband operators, fibre actually only covers a tiny fraction of the population.

    and even if you did include the french FTTH, UPC is still offering the fastest consumer broadband in europe at 120mbps. faster uploads are nice, but when you're talking about broadband speeds, download speed is the main selling point.

    it's interesting though whilst i was reading about it that all the ISP's in france got rid of any download limits or FUP's long ago. plenty of people here would have you believe that truly unlimited consumer broadband not a sustainable business model. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It depends on cost of backhaul and INEX etc... I suspect the French infrastructure is cheaper to suck data through than the Irish one.

    Smart had no cap. IBB had no cap. Of course the massive debt that both of those dug into wasn't just traffic costs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Conchúr


    watty wrote: »
    On Cable, I don't think it's really possible.

    Downstream link (downloads) can use any 8MHz channel from 110MHz to over 900MHz. DOCSIS 3.0 can "bond" up to five channels giving up to 125Mbps download. DVB-c Transport stream multplexes shared channels

    Upstream can use 0.8, 1.6, 3.2 or 6.4MHz time shared (TDMA) upload. There is only 5MHz to 65MHz band on Euro system or 15MHz to 45MHz on other systems. That's roughly 9 x 6.4Mhz channels. Upstream uses less intense coding (lower data rate for same symbol rate) than down stream, so much less data in the 9 channels (or 18 x 3.2MHz channel).

    Downstream could have 70 to 100 channels if there was no TV. Obviously TV exists also (You can see why Analogue at 8MHz per channel is doomed compared with Digital's 20 channels in 8MHz possible using MPEG4 and 256QAM).

    So typically 8:1 to 15:1 is ratio of Downstream:Upstream on any practical Cable Broadband system. This suits average usuage.

    DSL can in theory vary ratio of downstream:upstream from 16:1 to 1:1 (SDSL) to 1:16, but getting a non LLU supplier to do it is near impossible. Eircom wholesale, Magnet and Digiweb/Smart can do SDSL, but it's a much more expensive product. Also 8M down and 512K up may be typically 3M + 3M as SDSL at typical distance on 24Mbps ADSL2+ LLU exchange. You really don't want SDSL on regular old ADSL exchange.

    You can get Microwave 20Mbps + 20Mbps and fibre 100Mbps + 100Mbps products. These are seriously expensive, but of course have decent "SLA" and probably no contention, congestion or cap.

    DSL, Metro and Cable Broadband can be used by business, but they are technologies developed for the Domestic mass Market. Not Hosting Web Servers, inter-office high speed VPN & etc.

    Just to say it to you, HostIreland.com have just announced their broadband product which starts off at 16meg upstream and downstream for €99/year. Wouldn't say that's much... Have a look and tell them Conor sent ya :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Conchúr wrote: »
    Just to say it to you, HostIreland.com have just announced their broadband product which starts off at 16meg upstream and downstream for €99/year. Wouldn't say that's much... Have a look and tell them Conor sent ya :)
    €99 a month.
    No indication of contention. Licensed or 5.8MHz registered licence free?

    One Three Rock mast for half of Dublin?
    http://stresa.hostireland.com/broadband.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭Runs Cold


    Download Speed: 12.5mbps
    Upload Speed: 12.5mbps
    and its €99 per month not per year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭Runs Cold


    sorry Watty posted at same time as You. anyway its what watty said..:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    watty wrote: »
    €99 a month.
    Runs Cold wrote: »
    and its €99 per month not per year.
    Obviously, neither of you told them Conor sent ya ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭Runs Cold


    Obviously, neither of you told them Conor sent ya ;)

    I would have if it was €99 per year.:)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Conchúr wrote: »
    Just to say it to you, HostIreland.com have just announced their broadband product which starts off at 16meg upstream and downstream for €99/year. Wouldn't say that's much... Have a look and tell them Conor sent ya :)

    Please don't pimp business like this again, in addition if you are going to post atleast have the decency to post the CORRECT information


  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭KennyLegend


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Please don't pimp business like this again, in addition if you are going to post atleast have the decency to post the CORRECT information

    PMSL :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Runs Cold wrote: »
    Download Speed: 12.5mbps
    Upload Speed: 12.5mbps
    and its €99 per month not per year.

    Ouch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 homerdog


    I've been on the Eircom 8mb package for about 9 months now and I have never got even close to 4mb , never mind 8mb. Lately, I have been speed testing every day and the speed varies from a max of 1.9mb down to the lowest reading yet. .64mb and that was at 2300 hours tonight.

    Apart from the crap speeds, what is annoying me is that when I rang Eircom about it, the tech told me the lines in this area can only handle 4mb. So where is the morality of Eircom selling me something they can't, by their own admission, provide.

    I rang UPC today and while they can provide a 15mb or 30mb fibre optic broadband in parts of Navan, it is not available where I live , even though we have UPC/Chorus Tv in the house.

    Very frustrating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    See http://www.techtir.ie/comms/dsl-limits for explanation
    1000054_dslreach.jpg

    On ADSL 8Mbps is the max speed beside the exchange.
    On ADSL2+ 24Mbps is the max speed beside the exchange.

    The more people in a bundle of telephone wires that use DSL and the more wires in the bundle (under street or fat "rope" between poles) the more crosstalk and slower.

    The longer or noisier the cable, the slower it must be.


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