CBT From December This year

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See Attachment for full details on RSA new road safety measures

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brian plank

i had to do lessons recently on a hired bike which worked out at 70 an hour. 16 hours of that = €1120 :eek:. give it a few years and bike shops will slowly start disappearing.

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brian plank wrote: »

i had to do lessons recently on a hired bike which worked out at 70 an hour. 16 hours of that = €1120 :eek:. give it a few years and bike shops will slowly start disappearing.

Thats a rip off. We will be charging €495.00 per person for cbt if 2 people do it together. That will include the full 16 hours, bike hire, all the gear and an insurance assessment. This has been advertised as such on my our site for the last 6 months and believe it or not a good few people have already done the complete syllabus even though it isnt complulsory yet. Yes 16 hours is a lot but dont forget that in some countries 30-40 hours is the minimum and if you fail the test you have to do the whole lot again. There are threads on this already and the same comments are being made again. The fact remains that we have all known about this for 2 or 3 years but thought it would never happen.

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brian plank

Roadskill wrote: »

Thats a rip off. We will be charging €495.00 per person for cbt if 2 people do it together. That will include the full 16 hours, bike hire, all the gear and an insurance assessment. This has been advertised as such on my our site for the last 6 months and believe it or not a good few people have already done the complete syllabus even though it isnt complulsory yet. Yes 16 hours is a lot but dont forget that in some countries 30-40 hours is the minimum and if you fail the test you have to do the whole lot again. There are threads on this already and the same comments are being made again. The fact remains that we have all known about this for 2 or 3 years but thought it would never happen.

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i just seen that on biker.ie and if thats all it costs then it a good idea in fairness. it was just normal lessons i did before the test so that why it was so expensive (40/hr lesson, 30/hr for the bike). are you the garda bike safe people in waterford?

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brian plank wrote: »

i just seen that on biker.ie and if thats all it costs then it a good idea in fairness. it was just normal lessons i did before the test so that why it was so expensive (40/hr lesson, 30/hr for the bike). are you the garda bike safe people in waterford?

Yes thats us. We donate our facilities for free so the gardai can operate properly from Waterford.

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weeder

Will the R plate rule apply to bikes?

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weeder wrote: »

Will the R plate rule apply to bikes?

I don't think so because there is no law yet to wear a hiviz once you pass the test.

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chasm

So according to that link
"All new first time learner permit holders with effect from 6th December 2010 for motorcycles and 4th April 2011 for cars will be required to undertake mandatory initial basic training (IBT) with an approved driving instructor (ADI). The course will be 16 hours for motorcycle and 12 hours for car licences."

So this only applies to first time permiit holders, or am i reading that wrong?

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chasm wrote: »

So this only applies to first time permiit holders, or am i reading that wrong?

You are correct. anyone who already owns a learner permit before the date is OK

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Wossack

does the training not have to be 1:1 ?

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Wossack wrote: »

does the training not have to be 1:1 ?

No.

The training is broken down into 4 modules. some classroom and some on road and in a compound. The classroom modules can have up to 12 people but the practical can only be 2:1 or 1:1 if the compound is only small.
There is a lot of paperwork and regulations for us to comply with to be approved for cbt so I won,t bore you with the rest

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Tigger

if we are advertising now I sell discounted floors accross ireland and it won't kill biking in ireland


on topic tho we used to go up north to do the test cos you could get a direct lisence so i reckon people will do that
it a lot cheaper and you get direct access

Provisional licence 50.00
CBT 100.00 approx - this should include bike hire
Theory test 31.00
Practical test - Module 1 15.50 15.50 on saturdays and weekday evenings
Practical test - Module 2 75.00 88.50 on saturdays and weekday evenings
Provisional to full licence FREE

total 200

http://www.begin-motorcycling.co.uk/costs.htm

Del2005

There's no direct access up North. You need to take the boat for direct access.

Tigger

how come?

there used to be

Tigger

never mind


http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/practicaldrivingtest/bikefaqs.asp

seems like you can get a lisence up north with no cbt or across the water you can go direct with cbt

Roadskill

You cannot use an Irish learner permit in the UK so to get the licence you must have a valid UK address. Direct Access is up to €500 as it consists of a number of training days to be taken with bike hire. i should know I used to teach it. The new test in the UK is twice as difficult as Ireland so make sure you get all the facts before trying to do it.

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Tigger

You can get a northern lisence and do the test up north for next to nothing and many people will be able to work round the address thing

Testing is a different matter the test should be much harder and bikers should be tested by bikers on bikes not by cars

Nobody drives on test like they will after and the test tests no real situations

I have a real issue with cbt at an arbitrary level and by independent companies if the test took two days went over advanced control reaction and perception/observation it'd be much better. Govt run andsubsidused of course not this sham of 16 hours which will be too much for some and not enough for others

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Tigger wrote: »

You can get a northern lisence and do the test up north for next to nothing and many people will be able to work round the address thing

Testing is a different matter the test should be much harder and bikers should be tested by bikers on bikes not by cars

Nobody drives on test like they will after and the test tests no real situations

I have a real issue with cbt at an arbitrary level and by independent companies if the test took two days went over advanced control reaction and perception/observation it'd be much better. Govt run andsubsidused of course not this sham of 16 hours which will be too much for some and not enough for others

I agree with you 100% on the hilighted quote above. The problem is that no government will subsidise anything that is to be earnt and remember a licence is not a right to have and not essential. Even in the UK private companies run CBT. The difference being they can take several people at once on the road so at £100 each is a nice wage don't you think. Have you seen the syllabus?. Do you know what it involves?. 16 hours BTW is a minimum and it is split into 4 modules, each one must be passed or repeated. A lot of people seem to have this perception that instructors are to blame for cbt, this is just not true and really annoys me when I hear it. We all had input YES! but we were ignored on our reccommendations to reduce the hours or do it on a competency level. I have been training riders for over 15 years and most have done the training off thier own backs spending more that CBT may cost. Now it's compulsory from December everyone complains.
On another note I would rather not have cbt as it's major hassle and investment for me but if I don't do it then I could be left behind and lose my business.

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