White Irish leave, Black Irish stay....may be trouble ahead?

gbee

paky wrote: »

personally i feel the current ethnic state of ireland is in complete dissarray. ireland has completely lost its identity and has become europes prostitute.

Apart from the paid ads in 'Lonely Planet' the US are advising tourist to go to Latvia or Lithuania as there is more native culture there, without the high prices.

Native Irish workers are still being shunned at the dole queues and denied benefits.

Another thread has over 80,000 foreign nats claiming here ~ we need a better breakdown as we do have a term for EU citizens and that was not used.

KeithAFC

py2006 wrote: »

You really need to read the thread before posting! I don't think anybody suggesting there was!

Not from some of the posts iv seen.

Kiwi_knock

Just on the topic of Ghettoes, is there any part of any Irish city or town which you would class an immigrant ghetto or on the way to being an immigrant ghetto? I honestly do not think there is. Is there any area you feel wary walking through because of the immigrant population? I think the answer to that is no again. I am not saying that Ghettoes will never spring up in Ireland but that Ghettoisation is a good bit in the future not here in the now. We have a chance to spread an understanding of multiculturalism.

More efforts should be made in school to spread multiculturalism. In most classes there will be one child of a different ethnic background but rarely is much explored about the child's backgorund beyond is country of birth or heritage. I think especially in Primary schools more should be done to acknowledge and celebrate the ethnic background of students. I do not think it would be much trouble for a teacher to devote a week to teaching about a child's background. Such a learning a few facts about that country and learning a bit of the language. It would be a welcome break for the kids and also spread multiculturalism.

We have a good chance of avoiding the ghettoisation of our country is we promote multiculturalism at a young age.

boc123

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Sorry, but Ireland has already demonstrated it won't evolve in the same way as Britain. If 6 million migrants had landed in Britain over the course of a couple of years, there would be race riots in the streets. They already had bloody race riots over much less. And this is the equivalent economic migration into Ireland from 2004 to 2006.

I believe your wrong. Evolving does not mean the 2 year period you refer to, it is over the long term. I believe we will develop more or less the same as all other countries on earth.

Ireland already is developing the way Britain has, just to a lesser extent due to the time frame. Immigration into Britain in the modern era started after world war 2, In Ireland it was in the mid 1990's.

Foxhound38

Nodin wrote: »

But you are mistaken - unless you can point out a seperate race of racists existing amongst us.

My theory is that racist people share more DNA with crabs than humans, they just look like us... I guess that makes me racist towards crabs then too...

In seriousness though, I never understood the whole desire to keep the nation ethnically pure - it's just some arbitrary set of norms that people identify with. Would those same people also insist that people should only mix with those born in the same hospital as them, because that is essentially the argument many of them make...

Kasabian

Darkman2

When you decide to comebak to the crap stirring thread you have begun can you let me know how many people of other ethnics you know personally and how many if any you refer to as friends.

Just curious

bizzo

I have Zero problem with being driven in a taxi by a foreigner, being treated by a doctor who doesnt have the same surname as me or serving a pint to a guy who cant pronounce the name of the drink. Point im making is that those who come over to work here legitimately shouldnt be painted with the same brush as those who get off the plane and head straight to the social welfare office. Thats where the system is funked.
Sure wouldnt you ring all your buddies back home if you went to a country where they hand out free dosh every week without having to lift a finger.

The mind boggles!!

Nodin

Foxhound38 wrote: »

My theory is that racist people share more DNA with crabs than humans, they just look like us... I guess that makes me racist towards crabs then too...

In seriousness though, I never understood the whole desire to keep the nation ethnically pure - it's just some arbitrary set of norms that people identify with. Would those same people also insist that people should only mix with those born in the same hospital as them, because that is essentially the argument many of them make...

Hmmmm. We must see if theres a species of crab that drag their claws across the ground as they walk before jumping to conclusions.

southsiderosie

I think people are being far too pessimistic about immigration in the long term.

First, as another poster mentioned, black migrants are a small percentage of the population.

Second, unlike places like France, they aren't all shoved into horrible housing estates outside of town.

Third, the black immigrant community in particular has shown great interest in integration. African immigrants are very interested in politics, and stand for office/vote in rates that are far higher than what one would expect given their population. And the native Irish population has shown that they are willing to vote for immigrant candidates (regardless of their race) at a local level if they feel that those candidates are involved enough in their communities.

Finally, despite the muttering and nasty comments from taxi drivers, I'm not really worried about mass mobilization in the streets against immigrants given that the Irish show little inclination to engage in protest politics (unless it involves French footballers).

Kasabian

"Southern Man"

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

I saw cotton
and I saw black
Tall white mansions
and little shacks.
Southern man
when will you
pay them back?
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

Lily Belle,
your hair is golden brown
I've seen your black man
comin' round
Swear by God
I'm gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

The new republic

:rolleyes:

Mr Benevolent

When I saw who the OP was I assumed it was going to be some sort of racist rant. Well, I was right. By the way, 'black Irish' and 'white Irish' are the same race - they're both Irish.

Amhran Nua

boc123 wrote: »

I believe your wrong. Evolving does not mean the 2 year period you refer to, it is over the long term. I believe we will develop more or less the same as all other countries on earth.

Ireland already is developing the way Britain has, just to a lesser extent due to the time frame. Immigration into Britain in the modern era started after world war 2, In Ireland it was in the mid 1990's.

And yet you have no evidence to support your contention, not a scrap. You say that immigration into Britain began after world war 2, so lets work with your hypothesis for a minute. Here is a list of the worst (by no means all) race riots in the UK:

1958: Violence breaks out in Notting Hill Gate, west London, sparked by a domestic incident between a black man and his white girlfriend. TV crews are accused of encouraging riots by staging reconstructions in the streets

1981: More than 300 people are injured, including 200 police officers, as crowds hurl petrol bombs in Brixton, south London. The two-day clash causes £6.5m damage. Later in the year there is another riot in Brixton, as well as in Manchester, Southall and Toxteth, Liverpool, where a man is killed

1985: Trouble flares up again in Handsworth, Birmingham. Rioting leaves two people dead and dozens of buildings gutted by firebombs. More violence breaks out when a black woman, Cherry Groce, is mistakenly shot by police who burst into her home looking for her son in connection with an armed robbery. More than 50 cars are set alight and two shops gutted

1985: Broadwater Farm. PC Keith Blakelock is hacked to death with knives and machetes

1995: A policeman is almost kicked to death after being pulled off his motorcycle during a second riot in Brixton

1995: Three nights of fighting causes more than £1m worth of damage after gangs of Asian youths run amok in Manningham, Bradford

1998: A group of 100 youths throw bottles, cans and stones at policeas the five suspects of the racist murder of teenager Stephen Lawrence arrive at the inquiry

So assuming as you say that immigration into the UK started in 1945, the day after WW2 ended, that leaves 13 years until the first major race riot. Counting back from 2010, according to your calculations we are overdue for a bloodstained race riot, since we're starting from before 1997. So where is it?

Don't be so quick to ascribe the failings of others to a unique nation and culture.

marco_polo

bizzo wrote: »

I have Zero problem with being driven in a taxi by a foreigner, being treated by a doctor who doesnt have the same surname as me or serving a pint to a guy who cant pronounce the name of the drink. Point im making is that those who come over to work here legitimately shouldnt be painted with the same brush as those who get off the plane and head straight to the social welfare office. Thats where the system is funked.
Sure wouldnt you ring all your buddies back home if you went to a country where they hand out free dosh every week without having to lift a finger.

The mind boggles!!

There is a very simple fact that people cannot seem to grasp is that nobody, not even citizens of other EU countries, can simply hop off a plane and head straight to the Social Welfare offfice.

gracehopper

I'm black and I'm proud

boc123

Amhran Nua wrote: »

. Counting back from 2010, according to your calculations we are overdue for a bloodstained race riot, since we're starting from before 1997. So where is it?

Don't be so quick to ascribe the failings of others to a unique nation and culture.

I see you are connected to a political party.
Is this why you are making up lies about what I said?

bizzo

marco_polo wrote: »

There is a very simple fact that people cannot seem to grasp is that nobody, not even citizens of other EU countries, can simply hop off a plane and head straight to the Social Welfare offfice.

What i mean is that they come here almost certainly for the free cash. Its not like they ring friends/family ahead and are told there is an abundance of work available. Im saying yes alot come over and get to work while others come and get the cash.

southsiderosie

bizzo wrote: »

What i mean is that they come here almost certainly for the free cash. Its not like they ring friends/family ahead and are told there is an abundance of work available. Im saying yes alot come over and get to work while others come and get the cash.

Do you mean the 19 euro/week that asylum seekers get?

Gran Hermano

Bodhisopha wrote: »

What exactly do you mean by "racial divide"?

The M50?

Amhran Nua

boc123 wrote: »

I see you are connected to a political party.
Is this why you are making up lies about what I said?

Please point out to me where I have lied or misrepresented anything you said about the inevitability of race riots in Ireland.

py2006

Hasn't there been a racial divide in Dublin for years!! Its called the Liffey!!

boc123

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Please point out to me where I have lied or misrepresented anything you said about the inevitability of race riots in Ireland.

I already did. You are quoting me saying I am calculating a race riot in Ireland. I am not and never did calculate a race riot in Ireland.

Also why are you listing race riots that have happened in England?


Also I like the way you use bloodstained to make it look like I am baying for blood.....

azezil

So you're saying only North Dub's will be left? o_Ó


Commitments quote: The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once and say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud.

marco_polo

bizzo wrote: »

What i mean is that they come here almost certainly for the free cash. Its not like they ring friends/family ahead and are told there is an abundance of work available. Im saying yes alot come over and get to work while others come and get the cash.

Didn't even read my short post?

www.welfare.ie

Can you show me the entitlements for which you can just hop off a plane and recieve free cash?

Pherekydes

boc123 wrote: »

Also why are you listing race riots that have happened in England?

Because you said this:

boc123 wrote: »

I believe we will develop more or less the same as all other countries on earth.

Ireland already is developing the way Britain has...

boc123

Pherekydes wrote: »

Because you said this:

:rolleyes:

Amhran Nua

boc123 wrote: »

I already did. You are quoting me saying I am calculating a race riot in Ireland. I am not and never did calculate a race riot in Ireland.

Here's what you said:

boc123 wrote: »

Ireland will evolve the same as Britain.

boc123 wrote: »

Ireland already is developing the way Britain has, just to a lesser extent due to the time frame.

boc123 wrote: »

Also why are you listing race riots that have happened in England?

Twice you have mentioned Britain, which has had many race riots, and once you have mentioned a specific time frame. Using your own parameters you're factually incorrect, and this is the basis upon which I rebut your contention that Ireland will develop in the same way, in other words have race riots.

boc123 wrote: »

Also I like the way you use bloodstained to make it look like I am baying for blood.....

Fair enough, perhaps you were unaware of the implications of what you were saying. Were you unaware of the dates and violence of the race riots which have already occurred in Britain? As the big fella said, there's more than a stretch of water between them and us...

Tordelback

It's also worth pointing out that the context of immigration in Ireland and Britain is quite different. Many of the non-white people that came to Britain in the last century came from former colonies to what amounted to a perceived promised 'motherland', with Ireland it's largely economic push-and-pull. The numbers and the expectations are not remotely the same. For our part we're a nation with a long history of emigration and return, we know what it is to arrive in a new place, and we know what drives the emigrant to leave his family and home behind. And it's not a chance at some other country's dole.

bernardo mac

Let's not forget that it was the well remunerated,pensioned,parasitic white Irish Bankers,developers,entrepreneurs,politicians and regulators who were largely instrumental in fcuking up this state:mad:

boc123

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Fair enough, perhaps you were unaware of the implications of what you were saying. Were you unaware of the dates and violence of the race riots which have already occurred in Britain? As the big fella said, there's more than a stretch of water between them and us...

There are no implications to what I am saying, you are trying to infer something into them that isnt there to make your own point. I detailed how Irish society will develop in the future, i.e the same as all other countries with varying degrees of difference in their populations. I didnt say good/bad to this, just offered up a roadmap.

You are ranting about blood stained riots to muddy the waters. Why you are going on about dates of English riots is beyond me??? I am done with this now.

Lone Stone

If there is only the irish people left who have jobs in ireland and the african immigrants left then they all need to get nekkid and make that sexy coffeey color people cause every one wants some of that /BAM