Anti-Semitism - what exactly is it?

sponsoredwalk

Good point, but it didn't stop the Jews from going to Palestine

demonspawn

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Good point, but it didn't stop the Jews from going to Palestine

The Jews lived in Palestine quite happily for at least a thousand years. It was considered an international area by the Ottomans, and no claim was placed on it by them though they protected it.

I think you refer to the Zionists that invaded the country at the start of the last century. They were no so much Jews as they were politicians and businessmen. Zionists are atheistic and do not follow the teachings of Judaism at all. They are only Jewish by genetic makeup, that's where the connection ends.

sponsoredwalk

I was referring to the land grab in 1948 and the policies they were
implementing pre-1948, the point was that even though they have claims
on this area based off 2000-ish year old religious texts they still went and
claimed the area, hopefully the native americans will be able to do something
similar only in a legal and fair way :cool:

There are 400,000 people in the area (wiki link above) that their ancestors
fought to hold onto after they broke away from Mexico, does that entitle
them to the area?

demonspawn

So I guess we can wrap up this thread by agreeing that antisemitism is essentially an artificial construct created by Zionist revivalists to stifle any objection to the illegal creation of the state of Israel.

Jews have been persecuted by small-minded individuals who feel threatened by the Jewish community. This can be said for any minority in any country. Hatred of Jews is simply racism and does not merit it's own word in the English language. Those that hate all Jews probably also hate many other minorities for similarly ludicrous reasons and may be labeled as racists.

All in agreement? I'm open to any criticism of this theory.

Seesee

Wow guys you really went around the houses on this one! Here's a better description of what the guys said: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/03/eu-official-antisemitism-middle-east-peace-talks
Better report than in the Irish Times, I would imagine it is the his initial comments of all Jews believing they were right that sparked the complaints of anti-Semitism.

demonspawn

Seesee wrote: »

Wow guys you really went around the houses on this one! Here's a better description of what the guys said: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/03/eu-official-antisemitism-middle-east-peace-talks
Better report than in the Irish Times, I would imagine it is the his initial comments of all Jews believing they were right that sparked the complaints of anti-Semitism.

His only mistake was using the word "Jew" instead of "Zionist". The rest is completely true. Oh, the remark about Jews thinking they are right is pretty unfortunate. Most religious Jews want nothing to do with the state of Israel. He spoke out of ignorance.

Sykes

Asking the Irish to debate anti-semitism, is like asking Peter Sutcliffe to debate women's rights.

The Irish are one of the chief exponents of anti-semitism in Europe. From their days of hugging Nazis post-war, giving them jobs, accommodation and anything else they required - to the modern day attack on Jews using 'Israel' as a front.

The talk of 'Jewish' control is something that Goebels went to a lot of effort to instill in the European consciousness.

The Irish wonder why America would support the Jews? why? why is it they support the damned Jew? it can't be because they have cultural ties! it can't be because Israel and America have a deep partnership based on economy, religion, morality and spirit. It can't be because America's foundations are Judeo-Christian.

It MUST be because the Jews OWN American. Yeah, it must be.

And when we look at the years of American silence over IRA killings? refusing to call them terrorists. What then? was that the Irish Catholics and their diabolical control over American affairs? with their horns and their tentacles. But wait a sec, Jews control American policy. American policy was very pro-Ireland. Does that mean therefore that......

What an odious thread from an odious bunch of racists from an odious 'country'.

20Cent

Sykes wrote: »

Asking the Irish to debate anti-semitism, is like asking Peter Sutcliffe to debate women's rights.

The Irish are one of the chief exponents of anti-semitism in Europe. From their days of hugging Nazis post-war, giving them jobs, accommodation and anything else they required - to the modern day attack on Jews using 'Israel' as a front.

The talk of 'Jewish' control is something that Goebels went to a lot of effort to instill in the European consciousness.

The Irish wonder why America would support the Jews? why? why is it they support the damned Jew? it can't be because they have cultural ties! it can't be because Israel and America have a deep partnership based on economy, religion, morality and spirit. It can't be because America's foundations are Judeo-Christian.

It MUST be because the Jews OWN American. Yeah, it must be.

And when we look at the years of American silence over IRA killings? refusing to call them terrorists. What then? was that the Irish Catholics and their diabolical control over American affairs? with their horns and their tentacles. But wait a sec, Jews control American policy. American policy was very pro-Ireland. Does that mean therefore that......

What an odious thread from an odious bunch of racists from an odious 'country'.

Hi Sykes,
Just out of interest.
How do you define anti-semitism?

Sykes

20Cent wrote: »

Hi Sykes,
Just out of interest.
How do you define anti-semitism?

This thread.

sponsoredwalk

Sykes wrote: »

What an odious thread from an odious bunch of racists from an odious 'country'.

I'd love to see some quotes from this thread that gave you the impression
we were just a bunch of racists in this "idious country".
I mean, you wouldn't want to appear as if you had nothing substantial to
back up these claims now, would you?

Byron85

Sykes wrote: »

Asking the Irish to debate anti-semitism, is like asking Peter Sutcliffe to debate women's rights.

The Irish are one of the chief exponents of anti-semitism in Europe. From their days of hugging Nazis post-war, giving them jobs, accommodation and anything else they required - to the modern day attack on Jews using 'Israel' as a front.

What an odious thread from an odious bunch of racists from an odious 'country'.

Operation Paper Clip.

Now educate yourself.

sponsoredwalk

Furthermore, generalizing our whole country as full of "odious racists" is just
the kind of generalized thinking you find among antisemites, is it not?
Strange how those on their high horse exemplify that which they appear to
hold such a disdain for :rolleyes:

20Cent

Sykes wrote: »

This thread.

Got an actual definition?

Sykes

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I'd love to see some quotes from this thread that gave you the impression
we were just a bunch of racists in this "idious country".

I'm sure you'll agree it's pretty hard to show an anti-Semite some anti-semitic posts and get them to agree they're anti-semitic.

Kind of like showing a paedo some images of abused children and hoping he'll agree they didn't enjoy it.

paky wrote: »

to be honest its not. no other religion has received the level of persecution the jews have. the jews themselves have created that hate. there religion/ideology is warped. they see themselves as superior to other people and religions.

dont get me wrong, i have jewish friends

Note the racism followed by the obligatory "I have Jewish friends".


That was in page 1. You'll forgive me if I don't bother reading the rest of the anti-semitism espoused by racist Irishmen.

It really is time the world took a close look at Ireland and it's extremism towards race, religion and terrorism. For too long they have managed to sneak under the radar with their Billion-dollar US P.R. machine behind them.

Byron85

Sykes wrote: »

I'm sure you'll agree it's pretty hard to show an anti-Semite some anti-semitic posts and get them to agree they're anti-semitic.

Kind of like showing a paedo some images of abused children and hoping he'll agree they didn't enjoy it.





Note the racism followed by the obligatory "I have Jewish friends".


That was in page 1. You'll forgive me if I don't bother reading the rest of the anti-semitism espoused by racist Irishmen.

It really is time the world took a close look at Ireland and it's extremism towards race, religion and terrorism. For too long they have managed to sneak under the radar with their Billion-dollar US P.R. machine behind them.

I'll say it again, Operation Paper Clip.

Also, for good measure i'll throw in ODESSA. I suggest you do some research before you start throwing around false accusations.

Clawdeeus

Byron85 wrote: »

I'll say it again, Operation Paper Clip.

Also, for good measure i'll throw in ODESSA. I suggest you do some research before you start throwing around false accusations.

He has a point about the thread...

sponsoredwalk

Sykes wrote: »

I'm sure you'll agree it's pretty hard to show an
anti-Semite some anti-semitic posts and get them to agree they're
anti-semitic.

Well the feeling I get from this post is that you think I've posted some
anti-Semitic material, if that is the case why don't you;

a) Show me where I'm being anti-Semetic to show me for a fool that I am,
b) Show me my anti-Semetic remarks for they may not have been intentional
& you may educate me to be more cautious.

If it's not me that's being anti-Semetic then why don't you show me the
posts that appear to you to be anti-Semetic as surely I'll be able to
judge objectively enough, especially since I was the one who asked you
for a quote of evidence.

If you can't do any of this, or if you're just going to cop out by saying
"there's no point educating a racist" then why did you bother making the
remark in the first place?

Also, seeing as your post was so general I assume you'll be able to find
lots of posts to back up this general conclusion of yours that we're all
racists, or at least most of us. If you can't do that then I think you were
engaging in the type of slanderous assertions anti-Semite's get their
hands dirty with, i.e. having no evidence to back up their BS.
Furthermore I assume you haven't come to the conclusion our country is
full of odious racists based solely on this post I hope.

Far be it from me to think you just replied with an emotive stance because
a post using the word "anti-Semite" was even created :rolleyes:

karma_

Clawdeeus wrote: »

He has a point about the thread...

He's in danger of disappearing up his own arse.

Nodin

Sykes wrote: »

Asking the Irish to debate anti-semitism, is like asking Peter Sutcliffe to debate women's rights.

The Irish are one of the chief exponents of anti-semitism in Europe. From their days of hugging Nazis post-war, giving them jobs, accommodation and anything else they required - to the modern day attack on Jews using 'Israel' as a front.

The talk of 'Jewish' control is something that Goebels went to a lot of effort to instill in the European consciousness.

The Irish wonder why America would support the Jews? why? why is it they support the damned Jew? it can't be because they have cultural ties! it can't be because Israel and America have a deep partnership based on economy, religion, morality and spirit. It can't be because America's foundations are Judeo-Christian.

It MUST be because the Jews OWN American. Yeah, it must be.

And when we look at the years of American silence over IRA killings? refusing to call them terrorists. What then? was that the Irish Catholics and their diabolical control over American affairs? with their horns and their tentacles. But wait a sec, Jews control American policy. American policy was very pro-Ireland. Does that mean therefore that......

What an odious thread from an odious bunch of racists from an odious 'country'.

Why is country in quotes?

Why have you ignored the vast majority of posts in the thread which clearly condemn anti-semitism?

sponsoredwalk

Sykes wrote: »

paky wrote: »

to be honest its not. no other religion has received the level of persecution the jews have. the jews themselves have created that hate. there religion/ideology is warped. they see themselves as superior to other people and religions.

dont get me wrong, i have jewish friends but there is something seriously wrong with how they are perceived by the rest of the world and they themselves are to blame for it.

That was in page 1. You'll forgive me if I don't bother reading the rest of the anti-semitism espoused by racist Irishmen.

Ah I didn't read that correctly the first time. So this is your justification for
labelling everyone in this post a racist? This is a level of stupid I predicted
& is the reason I asked you specific questions, because it was blatantly
obvious you hadn't read the f'ing thread.

Stooping to their level by using the exact same logic, read one quote &
generalize & slander everyone with it. Good job! :cool:

Btw I've seen a few crazy posts by that guy so don't expect me to justify
his own pseudo-racism. But you, you're hilarious on your high horse
generalizing like there's no tomorrow.

demonspawn

demonspawn wrote: »

So I guess we can wrap up this thread by agreeing that antisemitism is essentially an artificial construct created by Zionist revivalists to stifle any objection to the illegal creation of the state of Israel.

Jews have been persecuted by small-minded individuals who feel threatened by the Jewish community. This can be said for any minority in any country. Hatred of Jews is simply racism and does not merit it's own word in the English language. Those that hate all Jews probably also hate many other minorities for similarly ludicrous reasons and may be labeled as racists.

All in agreement? I'm open to any criticism of this theory.

I'm just quoting this for any individuals who didn't bother their arse to actually read the thread before jumping in and accusing everyone in it, and everyone in this country for that matter, of being antisemitic racists and pedophiles or whatever else such an individual would accuse people of.

Glassheart

Sykes wrote: »

That was in page 1. You'll forgive me if I don't bother reading the rest of the anti-semitism espoused by racist Irishmen.

^
Fringe Loyalist alert.I recall this petty Ulsterman letting the last mask slip a few months ago on another Israel related topic.Into the glasshouse you go...

Sykes if you had bothered your lazy arse to read beyond page 1 you would have seen that me and a few other posters have taken already these idiotic comments to task so why tar us all with the same brush?

Any old excuse for snakes like you to stick it to the Taigs though eh? And i suppose there is no better mask than the supposed pro-Jewish moral high ground that you are bleating from...
Get down of that pedestal you chancer.You are every bit as anti irish as some of the posters here are anti semitic so can you really afford to point the finger?

I would be a little more concerned about Loyalist links to Combat 18 and other neo nazi groups to be honest.Get your own house in order before you start exaggerating about mine.

leincar

paky wrote: »

its the hatred of the jews and their ideology

go to israel and spend some time there and then you will see why anti semitism is so strong.

The thing that gets me here is that you probably and genuinely believe what you wrote. I find that troubling in the extreme.

First of all I must tell my wife and kids that they have an ology, and there was I thinking they had a religion. Also I must go back and live in Israel where I lived in the early 90's and see what you saw when you lived there(I presume you lived there or is that a presumption to far) I must have missed a reason for this anti-Semitism.

For whatever reason anti-Semitism is generally seen as a dislike or a hatred of all things Jewish. Despite Arabs also been Semites they are not included in this dislike. Anti-Semitism has been around for centuries and for whatever reason will continue. Most Jewish people brush it off and ignore it. However, for people like myself married to a Jew and living in rural Ireland I come across it every now and again and I'm not bothered by picking people up on it. My eldest daughter(16) has also come across it in school and will very quickly retort if anyone makes any sort of anti-Semetic comment to her. The last time was the debacle of the flotilla where one lad called her a murdering Jewish c..t. Its sad, but such is life at times. Trust me when I say that I think there is a larger portion of this Island anti-Muslim than anti-Jew. For the record I find anti-Muslim people just as obnoxious.

Now I'll go and watch my family celebrate Rosh Hashanah which is the Jewish New Year(5770) and is the start of the most solemn time of the Jewish calender culminating in Yom Kippur next week.

leincar

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Heres the thing tho, they have been vilified Despised Huounded and Hunted throughout History, at Best they were tolerated as useful Outsiders in some societies, but nothing more, they have refused to integrate into European Culture yet want to be viewed as Europeans. they appear to thrive off a 'Poor Me' mentality.

the other thing about Stereotypes is that they persist because we can recognise elelmets of truth in them.

Sweet Jesus spare me.

I think anti-Semitism = total and utter ignorance.

My Father-in-Law was fully 'integrated' into Dutch society where his Father was a Government Minister before the war. even now sixty five years after the war and having lived for many years in Israel and the U.S. he regards himself as European despite a tattoo on the inside of his arm placed there by another European who didn't want integration of peoples and nations, but subjugation.

Sykes

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Ah I didn't read that correctly the first time. So this is your justification for
labelling everyone in this post a racist? This is a level of stupid I predicted
& is the reason I asked you specific questions, because it was blatantly
obvious you hadn't read the f'ing thread.

Stooping to their level by using the exact same logic, read one quote &
generalize & slander everyone with it. Good job! :cool:

Btw I've seen a few crazy posts by that guy so don't expect me to justify
his own pseudo-racism. But you, you're hilarious on your high horse
generalizing like there's no tomorrow.

I must be making a mistake - because I could swear you're trying to put forward the argument that the Irish aren't Jew/Israel obsessed nutters.

I'm sorry pal, that ship has sailed.

Ireland has a small population in Europe, yet is the most vociferous voice against Israel which more often than not is intertwined with anti-semitism.

Everytime I've visited these forums, there's been something about Israel on the front page. With your lot frothing at the mouth.

What a shame you lot weren't so vociferous in your condemnation of bombs going off on British streets.

karma_

Sykes wrote: »

I must be making a mistake - because I could swear you're trying to put forward the argument that the Irish aren't Jew/Israel obsessed nutters.

I'm sorry pal, that ship has sailed.

Ireland has a small population in Europe, yet is the most vociferous voice against Israel which more often than not is intertwined with anti-semitism.

Everytime I've visited these forums, there's been something about Israel on the front page. With your lot frothing at the mouth.

What a shame you lot weren't so vociferous in your condemnation of bombs going off on British streets.

You don't come here often do you?

I hope you stay though, your rants are first class, and your spelling is spot on also.

sponsoredwalk

Okay attacking someone because their spelling is not to your taste is just
weak but what's weaker is a rant such as yours coming out with "your lot"
and being angry because Irish people disapprove of Israel's treatment of
the Palestinian people. If you want to jump on the bandwagon calling
everyone who questions Israel's murderous policies anti-Semite's that's
fine but we see through you. I mean you can't even respond to the
questions I've asked you & you've consistently shown yourself to have no
foundation to anything you say. We don't all jump the gun with our policies
conclusions and some of us see the ridiculousness of it. Basically
you've shown yourself to be nothing but a reactionary who likes to slander
an entire country because the fact we talk about a government that uses
white phosphorous on innocent civilians. Why should we even respect what
you say when you ignore the majority of the posts in this thread ignore
the questions put to you and act like you're on the high horse of morality
even though you can't face questions that are designed to highlight the
weaknesses in your argument :rolleyes: The reason you wont answer anything we
ask you is because you haven't got an answer, you know it, I know it & I'm
sure the posters questioning/reading you know it so why don't you
formulate an opinion based on something other than a 5 second glance
at material & come back with a bit of substance.

demonspawn

Sykes wrote: »

Ireland has a small population in Europe, yet is the most vociferous voice against Israel which more often than not is intertwined with anti-semitism.

Israel is not a Jewish state, it is a Zionist state. You're either intentionally trying to conceal that fact or you have no clue about what you're talking about. Either way, you're not gonna last very long on this forum. People here are not as stupid as you obviously think.

karma_

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Okay attacking someone because their spelling is not to your taste is just
weak but what's weaker is a rant such as yours coming out with "your lot"
and being angry because Irish people disapprove of Israel's treatment of
the Palestinian people. If you want to jump on the bandwagon calling
everyone who questions Israel's murderous policies anti-Semite's that's
fine but we see through you. I mean you can't even respond to the
questions I've asked you & you've consistently shown yourself to have no
foundation to anything you say. We don't all jump the gun with our policies
conclusions and some of us see the ridiculousness of it. Basically
you've shown yourself to be nothing but a reactionary who likes to slander
an entire country because the fact we talk about a government that uses
white phosphorous on innocent civilians. Why should we even respect what
you say when you ignore the majority of the posts in this thread ignore
the questions put to you and act like you're on the high horse of morality
even though you can't face questions that are designed to highlight the
weaknesses in your argument :rolleyes: The reason you wont answer anything we
ask you is because you haven't got an answer, you know it, I know it & I'm
sure the posters questioning/reading you know it so why don't you
formulate an opinion based on something other than a 5 second glance
at material & come back with a bit of substance.

I'm not attacking his spelling, it's actually the best spelled and punctuated ranting I've ever seen on boards.

demonspawn

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Okay attacking someone because their spelling is not to your taste is just
weak but what's weaker is a rant such as yours coming out with "your lot"
and being angry because Irish people disapprove of Israel's treatment of
the Palestinian people. If you want to jump on the bandwagon calling
everyone who questions Israel's murderous policies anti-Semite's that's
fine but we see through you. I mean you can't even respond to the
questions I've asked you & you've consistently shown yourself to have no
foundation to anything you say. We don't all jump the gun with our policies
conclusions and some of us see the ridiculousness of it. Basically
you've shown yourself to be nothing but a reactionary who likes to slander
an entire country because the fact we talk about a government that uses
white phosphorous on innocent civilians. Why should we even respect what
you say when you ignore the majority of the posts in this thread ignore
the questions put to you and act like you're on the high horse of morality
even though you can't face questions that are designed to highlight the
weaknesses in your argument :rolleyes: The reason you wont answer anything we
ask you is because you haven't got an answer, you know it, I know it & I'm
sure the posters questioning/reading you know it so why don't you
formulate an opinion based on something other than a 5 second glance
at material & come back with a bit of substance.

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