Padraig Harrington.....2015 Honda Classic Champion

Adiaga 2

Depending on the weather today, he could be in with a decent chance still. When he won his in 2008 there was a rain delay too with players(including PH) completing their 3rd round on the sunday. C'mon!!

supernova84

Think he's a bit too far back, that double on 10 could have cost him, great round though. A top 5 would be a great result.

ssbob

supernova84 wrote: »

Think he's a bit too far back, that double on 10 could have cost him, great round though. A top 5 would be a great result.

Had it not been for putting this year, Harrington had genuine chances in 3 of the 4 majors. A great pity and a slack finish prob means he will not make the Ryder Cup team after giving himself a great chance.

BoardsMember

He was never going to make the team without a few top 10 finishes in a row. With Ollie as the captain, and Sergio pretty much nailed on, the last thing that Ollie is going to do is take a chance on PH when he and Sergio dont get on. And he couldnt take a chance on both.

ssbob

BoardsMember wrote: »

He was never going to make the team without a few top 10 finishes in a row. With Ollie as the captain, and Sergio pretty much nailed on, the last thing that Ollie is going to do is take a chance on PH when he and Sergio dont get on. And he couldnt take a chance on both.

To be fair, harry is playing better than Sergio currently but agree that Ollie will pick Sergio because without him there will be no other Spanish player in the team!

I think Ollies final pick will come from the following:

1. Colsaerts
2. David Lynn
3. Thomas Bjorn
4. Harrington
5. Siem
6. Donaldson

Don't know what Harry's plans are for the next few weeks though.

Martin567

It could be argued that the team might be better if a few rookies like Siem, Donaldson, Laird & Colsaerts had qualified automatically. At least these guys would be really excited about playing Ryder Cup while some of the more senior players probably are not.

In 2008, Harrington, Garcia & Westwood were the three weakest players on the team. The form of Garcia, Kaymer and even Westwood would have to be a big worry at this stage.

ssbob

Martin567 wrote: »

It could be argued that the team might be better if a few rookies like Siem, Donaldson, Laird & Colsaerts had qualified automatically. At least these guys would be really excited about playing Ryder Cup while some of the more senior players probably are not.

In 2008, Harrington, Garcia & Westwood were the three weakest players on the team. The form of Garcia, Kaymer and even Westwood would have to be a big worry at this stage.

Westwood will be fine and I am sure Garcia will be pumped but can't understand what is going on with Kaymer, he is such a good player!

What events are left to go before the qualification closes?

PRAF

ssbob wrote: »

Westwood will be fine and I am sure Garcia will be pumped but can't understand what is going on with Kaymer, he is such a good player!

What events are left to go before the qualification closes?

I remember a couple of years ago hearing that Kaymer struggles to hit a draw. I was astonished by that because I presumed most pros could easily work the ball both ways and with different trajectories. I know he tried to change his swing, presumably working on this flaw and dropped down the rankings a little.

paulos53

All that is left is the Wyndham this week on the PGA Tour and the Johnnie Walker Championship in Scotland next week. Unfortunately there is no european tour event this week.

Colsaerts got the last invite for the Wyndham and Garcia is also playing there.

AGC

ssbob wrote: »

To be fair, harry is playing better than Sergio currently but agree that Ollie will pick Sergio because without him there will be no other Spanish player in the team!

I think Ollies final pick will come from the following:

1. Colsaerts
2. David Lynn
3. Thomas Bjorn
4. Harrington
5. Siem
6. Donaldson

Don't know what Harry's plans are for the next few weeks though.

And Laird.

Personally I think it is between Harrington and Colsaerts but not in Ollie's mind!

ssbob

paulos53 wrote: »

All that is left is the Wyndham this week on the PGA Tour and the Johnnie Walker Championship in Scotland next week. Unfortunately there is no european tour event this week.

Colsaerts got the last invite for the Wyndham and Garcia is also playing there.

Think quite possibly Ollie might have said to Sergio that he needs to qualify off his own back or he'll find it hard to pick him on current form.

Don't think Harry will play Gleneagles as that clashes with the first week of the Fedex right? If he showed up at Gleneagles and had a Top 15, I am sure that would be enough for Ollie.

AGC wrote: »

And Laird.

Personally I think it is between Harrington and Colsaerts but not in Ollie's mind!

tang1

1. David Lynn
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Not a hope he'll get a pick, good golfer but way to streaky. Should have won way more than his 1 European tour title. Not proven in anyway in team matchplay.

DaEvilTwin

At this stage i think Colsaerts must be favourite to get the other pick because of his win in the volvo matchplay. Even if harrington won before olazabal names his picks he still wouldn't pick him.

Benny Cake

If Ollie picks Garcia ahead of Harrington he needs his head examined.... Nationality is not reason enough to pick the flakiest, most petulant player on tour.

big_drive

I still Harrington is close to having a big win, hope it comes before end of year

FixdePitchmark

Lads.

Who has had the best overall performance in majors in 2012 ?

Think paddy must be up there.

Gmac 1st maybe.
Scott

Anybody else ?

supernova84

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads.

Who has had the best overall performance in majors in 2012 ?

Think paddy must be up there.

Gmac 1st maybe.
Scott

Anybody else ?

Peter Hanson if you take out the US Open 2 top 10's. Poulter 3 top 10's and Rose 2 top 10's. Matt Kucher also 2 top 10's.

fullstop

supernova84 wrote: »

Peter Hanson if you take out the US Open 2 top 10's. Poulter 3 top 10's and Rose 2 top 10's. Matt Kucher also 2 top 10's.

Why would you take out the US Open? That's a major.

FixdePitchmark

supernova84 wrote: »

Peter Hanson if you take out the US Open 2 top 10's. Poulter 3 top 10's and Rose 2 top 10's. Matt Kucher also 2 top 10's.

fair play.

Poulter great going -

But you if you look at average pos. Has to be G Mac - Scott - Paddy. Anyway sorry don't have time to look at full stats.

But people should think of that when looking at the year Paddy had in majors.

supernova84

fullstop wrote: »

Why would you take out the US Open? That's a major.

Oh sorry just that he missed cut there, should have been clearer

Martin567

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads.

Who has had the best overall performance in majors in 2012 ?

Think paddy must be up there.

Gmac 1st maybe.
Scott

Anybody else ?

Only 12 players made the cut in all 4 Majors. I got this list from another site:

Scott (-6) 1030
McDowell (-4) 1032
Poulter (+2) 1038
Harrington (+3) 1039
Woods (+7) 1043
Dufner (+8) 1044
Furyk (+8) 1044
Stricker (+12) 1048
Jacobson (+16) 1052
Bradley (+20) 1056
F Molinari (+20) 1056
Z Johnson (+26) 1062

FixdePitchmark

Martin567 wrote: »

Only 12 players made the cut in all 4 Majors. I got this list from another site:

Scott (-6) 1030
McDowell (-4) 1032
Poulter (+2) 1038
Harrington (+3) 1039
Woods (+7) 1043
Dufner (+8) 1044
Furyk (+8) 1044
Stricker (+12) 1048
Jacobson (+16) 1052
Bradley (+20) 1056
F Molinari (+20) 1056
Z Johnson (+26) 1062

fair play.

Did it my own way by average position.

By position was

Mcdowell ( 7.5) amazing
Scott (9)
Poulter (15)
Harrington (17.25)
Woods (18.75)

You can make what you want from that - but for me, Scott and Poulter should pick one up soon. Harrington is made of steel to have got there with **** putting, G Mac keep it up.

And it all means nothing if you can't win one.

PRAF

Martin567 wrote: »

Only 12 players made the cut in all 4 Majors. I got this list from another site:

Scott (-6) 1030
McDowell (-4) 1032
Poulter (+2) 1038
Harrington (+3) 1039
Woods (+7) 1043
Dufner (+8) 1044
Furyk (+8) 1044
Stricker (+12) 1048
Jacobson (+16) 1052
Bradley (+20) 1056
F Molinari (+20) 1056
Z Johnson (+26) 1062

Wow, great stat. I knew Paddy had a good year major wise, just didn't realise he was that consistent in them.

To my mind, there is a good argument that the world rankings should be tweaked to give much greater emphasis on the majors. If you look at Paddy's season:
- 4th best performer in the majors
- 5 top 10s worldwide (Masters, US Open, Irish Open, Pebble Beach, Volvo Golf Champions)
- 5 other top 20s

He has only moved up from 88 to 61 in the rankings since then. Meanwhile someone like Jason Day, who has had a very average to poor year so far is sitting safely inside the top 50.

ssbob

While I am sure Olly will be looking at all of these permutations I really think Harry needs to win The Barclays or Top 5 for Olly to consider him.

In terms of winning majors in the future, he definitely has the game, he just needs to get back his putting prowess that was so good in 2007 / 2008, like I have said before on this thread, he was top 5 in outting for 6/7 years in a row. He has the talent.

Come on Paddy.(Our one great hope from South of the border)

Martin567

PRAF wrote: »

Wow, great stat. I knew Paddy had a good year major wise, just didn't realise he was that consistent in them.

To my mind, there is a good argument that the world rankings should be tweaked to give much greater emphasis on the majors. If you look at Paddy's season:
- 4th best performer in the majors
- 5 top 10s worldwide (Masters, US Open, Irish Open, Pebble Beach, Volvo Golf Champions)
- 5 other top 20s

He has only moved up from 88 to 61 in the rankings since then. Meanwhile someone like Jason Day, who has had a very average to poor year so far is sitting safely inside the top 50.

To some extent, the world rankings don't reward consistency as much as one-off, big performances. As things stand, Padraig is certainly a lot better than his ranking would indicate but that's because he hasn't had the one big result despite a lot of really good golf. He actually has the 8th best stroke average on the PGA Tour so far in 2012 but, apart, from the US Open, he hasn't had any really big finish.

To take an extreme scenario: Player A & Player B each play in the same run of 10 events. Player A wins one and misses the cut badly in the other 9. Player B finishes an average of about 12-15th in each of the 10. Player B will have played far more good golf and will have much the better stroke average but Player A will have picked up more world ranking points. Padraig is definitely Player B in this scenario.

He's been consistent and played really well at times but he just needs one or two big results to move up the rankings quicker. None of the four Major winners are in the above list so you couldn't really argue that he's been the 4th best player in Majors this year. I'm sure he would swap his actual Major results for the year for one win and three missed cuts.

ssbob

I think he could be higher in the rankings if he had closed out positions in the masters, us open, irish open, & PGA...........could have been a lot better in all of those comps!

PRAF

Agree, his biggest problems this year have been his putting and his closing. Too often he's bogeyed the 18th to spoil an otherwise excellent round, or played mediocre on a Sunday when a big finish would've given him a top 3 or even a win.

Seems to be a big one in him though so hopefully that big W wont be far away. Would love to see him get into a slightly more freewheeling, don't think aobut it too much, style of putting. I suspect he is trying to hard with them and getting too tentative with those 4-6 footers.

Trampas

who has been top in WGC?

Martin567

Trampas wrote: »

who has been top in WGC?

Probably Rory. He was 2nd in the Matchplay, 3rd at Doral and 5th at Firestone.

Speak Now

Only the 4th time Harrington made the cut in all 4 majors!

2012 - 8-4-39-18
2008 - 5-36-1-1
2002 - 5-8-5-17
2000 - 19-5-20-58