Tony Blair pelted with eggs at book signing in Dublin

Brown Bomber

Shame they missed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11187320

Gilad Atzmon: I guess that Tony Blair’s sister in law, Lauren Booth, could easily use the phone and tell Tony what she thinks of him, his politics and his new memoir. However, being a peace activist she decided also to share it with the rest of us.

Dear Tony,

Congratulations on your political memoir becoming an instant bestseller. I’m in Iran and have the only copy in the country. I can tell you, its so fiercely fought over, it’s worth its weight in WMD’s. Note to Random House; have ‘A Journey’ translated into Farsi and Arabic asap, it’ll fly off the shelves in this part of the world.

Tony, yesterday I went the Al Quds day protest in Tehran. You may have heard of it? It’s the rally where Iranians gather to protest against Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine, including the Holy city of Jerusalem.

I’m being sarcastic by asking if you’ve heard of Al Quds day, because I know you have. It is after all your very worst nightmare right? It must be horrifying with the ‘world view,’ you express in your memoirs to watch scenes on the BBC news showing the precise meeting point of politics and Islam.

Personally I’ve never understood this fear of ‘political Islam’ it seems to me that religious people should always be educated on world events rather than kept in ignorance like say, Mid West Christian Zionists in the US who can’t even find their home city on a map of their state.

Anyway, yesterday, I stood in the midst of more than one million Iranian Muslims all chanting in unison ‘Marg Bar Isre-hell!’ and ‘Marg Bar Am-ri-ca!’ You know what that means Tony I’m sure ; ‘Down with Israel, down with America’. The men, women and children around me withstood a day of no water and no food (it’s called Ramadan, Tony, it’s a fast). Coping with hunger and thirst in the hundred degrees heat, as if it were nothing. They can withstand deprivation in the Muslim world, and think it a proud thing to suffer in order to express their fury at the continued slaughter of Palestinians. To protest the theft of what little remains of Palestinian land by settlers. To protest the blockade of Gaza causing immense suffering to millions.

Now, the Christian Zionists in the US and the Jewish Zionists in Israel would have you believe that I was am in danger in Iran, especially on a day like Al Quds. Well here again Tony, you’ve been fed and have consumed in its entirety, a massive lie. The lie that says that when Muslims march they march against infidels (like me I suppose) in some kind of Middle Eastern homage to the ancient crusades.

Yet the crusade Tony is yours, not ‘theirs.’

Today I spoke with many women on the Tehran protest. One mother who wept, not out of hatred for ‘the West’ but out of empathy for the mothers of Rafah, Khan Younis, Nablus and Jenin. Do you recognise these place names Tony, as Middle East peace envoy you really should. Israel has massacred children in all of these cities in recent years. Didn’t you know?

Anyway the women I met were gentle, frustrated by the refusal of the international community to stop the arrests of Palestinian children, to stop the routine bombing of the tunnels (the main access still for food and essential items in the Gaza strip). We embraced in the streets of Tehran like sisters. Not in Islam Tony, but in the fight against your brand of extremism and prejudice.

And today when the streets of London reverberate with cries of ‘Allahuakbar!’ and ‘Down Down Israel.’ Christians and Jews will join the thunderous cries of ‘Down Down Israel, marching against the ‘political’ Muslims you say you fear so much, That you would have me fear too if you could.

Having spent a good deal of time in Palestine in recent years, certainly more than you and your the ‘peace envoy’ supposedly. It repulsed me to read your blatant swallowing of the Israeli narrative regarding Palestine and its people.

The ‘conflict’ between Palestine and Israel is according to you all about religion and has nothing at all to do with the ethnic cleansing of the Arab population, nor the degredation of those who remain by their Israeli occupiers. You say that Arabs have and always will see ‘Jews’ as enemies. For God’s sake Tony do your history. And if you’re going to run a ‘Faith Foundation’ then better gen up on Islam 101 don’t you think? Did your pals in Tel Aviv forget to tell you how many thousands of Jews lived in Historic Palestine in harmony with their Arab neighbours before 1948? Do you really not know that even today tens of thousand of Jews reside contentedly in Iran?

I’ve sat with dozens and dozens of Muslim families, those whose children have been burned by Israeli/US phosphorous bombs. Those who are still suffering hunger due to the Israel siege of Gaza. Those who have lived through the early days of sanctions against Iran when they needed food vouchers just to live. And every single Muslim in these suffering families has the same message ; ‘We don’t hate anyone for their race or their religion. We cannot hate Jews they are in our holy book it is against the teachings of the Koran.’ But Tony let me ask you this. Why should any people Muslim or otherwise have NO right to justice and NO right to challenge an evil being done to them and their children? or to those who share a set of common beliefs? Do you have no understanding of what it is like to live in Gaza? Under siege, attacked with chemical weapons, your children’s schools razed to the ground by Israeli missiles, your hospitals shelled, your electricity limited, your water undrinkable?

Or do understand the ‘idea’ of the hardships suffered by millions in the Middle East as a direct result of your support for Israel and just think they deserve it?

In your book you say you knew full well how many Beirut homes were flattened, how many civilians died in Lebanon in 2006. Yet you dismiss Lebanese rage about Israeli land theft of ‘Shebas Farm’ as being an irrelevance, about a ‘tiny’ amount of land. You cannot see it as part of an attack on Lebanese life as a whole, by it’s heavily armed aggressive neighbour. You see it as: ‘Israel is attacked. Israel strikes back.’ As if Israel lives in placid peace, being kindly to all around it in between these massacres.

As other world leaders came out to demand Israel immediately cease its 2006 bombing raids on Lebanese cities, you stayed silent.

‘If I had condemned Israel’ you say ‘I would have been more than dishonest. It would have undermined my world view.’

Your world view that Muslims are mad, bad, dangerous to know. A contagion to be contained. Your final chapter is a must read here in the Middle East Tony, congratulations! For it lays out the ‘them’ and ‘us’ agenda of your friends in Washington and Tel Aviv and in David Milliband, the ambassador of Zionism that he is.

In the final chapter you say; ‘we need a religious counter attack’ against Islam. And by ‘Islam’ you mean the Al Quds rallies, the Palestinian intifada (based on an anti Apartheid struggle Tony, NOT religious bigotry), against every Arab who fails to raise a flag as the F16s rain on their homes and refugee camps and breaks out singing ‘Imagine all the people…’

When you say ‘extremism’ must be ‘controlled and beaten’ you mean the message of solidarity shared by Non Muslims alike on the streets of London and across the world today, joining the Al Quds day protests.

‘Not only extremism must be defeated’ you say but ‘the narrative that has to be assailed.’

Iran is indeed the place where Islamic tradition meets political action.

But I’m not afraid here Tony. The people are kind, friendly, full of good humour.

They are also highly aware of the history of this region, the wrongs perpetrated by Israel against Palestine and the political machinations of the US and the UK governments.

And as your book remains highly sought after here in Tehran. It’s that and not Islam, that you and your Israeli chums should be afraid of because it reveals you in all your ignorant glory.

Lauren Booth

Broadcaster and Journalist

Mail on Sunday

Press TV, UK

Source: Gilad Altzmon

My name is URL

I'm no fan of Blair but the people who showed up to cause trouble today are common thugs. People with their own agenda taking the opportunity to grab the spotlight.. it takes away from those opposed to his misdeeds more than it brings attention to them.

I've nothing against protestations and and think that Blair has a lot to answer for, along with Bush.. but carry on like that does no good whatsoever

demonspawn

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm no fan of Blair but the people who showed up to cause trouble today are common thugs. People with their own agenda taking the opportunity to grab the spotlight.. it takes away from those opposed to his misdeeds more than it brings attention to them.

I've nothing against protestations and and think that Blair has a lot to answer for, along with Bush.. but carry on like that does no good whatsoever

:rolleyes:


Fair play to them, the Irish are finally showing some backbone. Hopefully more crooked politicians will be pelted with eggs (filled with concrete) in the future. Peaceful protest does nothing, perhaps if these scumbag politicians start to feel mortal once again they'll consider their choices more carefully.

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

:rolleyes:


Fair play to them, the Irish are finally showing some backbone. Hopefully more crooked politicians will be pelted with eggs (filled with concrete) in the future. Peaceful protest does nothing, perhaps if these scumbag politicians start to feel mortal once again they'll consider their choices more carefully.

While I can gree with the spirirt of what you're saying I have to disagree when you advocate violence.
When people hold violent demonstrations they're giving power to the very politicians they're protesting against to crack down on and even ban any types of protest.
Violence gets you nowhere, surely this is self evident.

Jeboa Safari

They were a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country, hypocrites too. What did they actually hope to achieve? More people turned up for the book signing, and they called the people turning up traitors. Gardai should have baton charged them

Ayrtonf7

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

They were a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country, hypocrites too. What did they actually hope to achieve? More people turned up for the book signing, and they called the people turning up traitors. Gardai should have baton charged them

Bit of a contracidtion there, Lobbing eggs Vs Baton chargin !?!

Anyways agree with everything u said besides that, nothing but a bad image on ireland..

flas

violence begets violence! he was just lucky that they didnt throw cluster bombs at him and it was only a few eggs at an egotistical tyrant!

if he was from another part of the world and had invade another country like he has done everyone here would be calling him up on it but because he is british everyone suddenly thinks you are a bigot if you say anything bad about him and his foreign policy...pc world gone mad

call a spade a spade he invaded a country on what was false grounds and thats the cold hard facts

Soveriegn

It was great to watch, I am proud of the lads for kicking up such a fuss and am disappointed I couldn't make it to the protest. That lying,murdering, scumfukc is not welcome here, nor are any other war criminals. Those who sympathise with him deserve the same treatment (or worse).

My name is URL

Soveriegn wrote: »

It was great to watch, I am proud of the lads for kicking up such a fuss and am disappointed I couldn't make it to the protest. That lying,murdering, scumfukc is not welcome here, nor are any other war criminals. Those who sympathise with him deserve the same treatment (or worse).

If he's a war criminal then why hasn't he been tried as one? And how is flinging your sandals at him going to change that?

I'm sure that he is guilty of some war crimes but violent protests like that never achieve anything. People would be better off pressuring those with the power to charge him to do so

Jeboa Safari

Soveriegn wrote: »

It was great to watch, I am proud of the lads for kicking up such a fuss and am disappointed I couldn't make it to the protest. That lying,murdering, scumfukc is not welcome here, nor are any other war criminals. Those who sympathise with him deserve the same treatment (or worse).

He obviously is welcome here as evidence by the fact that more people turned up to get the book signed and only 200-300 turned up to protest, most of them the usual rent-a-mob rabble. Richard Boyd Barret in the middle of it all no doubt.
If there was a peaceful protest with a large turnout maybe you could say that he wasn't welcome here. There's plenty of people greatful to him for his hand in the norths peace process

rye_212

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm no fan of Blair but the people who showed up to cause trouble today are common thugs. People with their own agenda taking the opportunity to grab the spotlight.. it takes away from those opposed to his misdeeds more than it brings attention to them.

I've nothing against protestations and and think that Blair has a lot to answer for, along with Bush.. but carry on like that does no good whatsoever

+1.

Those noisy protesters can change nothing with their noise and insults. What's done is done. As I wandered down there today to view the "event" and stand in line for the book (with a degree of indifference), I recalled the last time I stood with a crowd of protesters in O'Connell St.

It was in 1993 in the aftermath of the Warrington Bombings when the two young boys were killed. That slaughter doesn't happen much now, thanks, in some part, to the efforts of Tony Blair. When it does happen now, its thanks, in some part, to the [former?] bedfellows of Eirigi etc who were shouting today.

Those that today called the Guards "west brits" for keeping the peace at the event, hardly deserve to have their opinions heard if they resort to schoolyard insults at the Guardians of the Peace who were doing their job. How could it be appropriate for the Guards to step aside and let those yobs and rabble attack a foreign dignitary, no matter what your disagreement with his opinions or actions.

Finally, those chanting today would do well to remember their luck to reside in Ireland and recall, that if living the Iraq of Saddam Hussein, they would not have the luxury of expressing their opinions in a public demonstration, unless they were in support of the state.

Rant over.

Brown Bomber

change nothing with their noise and insults. [/QUOTE]

rye1967 wrote: »

What's done is done.

What's done is done?

What's done is done?

This is what has been done

According to the authors of a new study, “Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009,” the people of Fallujah are experiencing higher rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality, and sexual mutations than those recorded among survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the years after those Japanese cities were incinerated by US atomic bomb strikes in 1945.
The epidemiological study, published in the International Journal of Environmental Studies and Public Health (IJERPH), also finds the prevalence of these conditions in Fallujah to be many times greater than in nearby nations.

This is what has been done to innocent people based on that smirky ****s bold faced lies.

Iraq Body Count

Documented civilian deaths from violence 97,665 – 106,569 Latest incidents Latest identified

Maybe we should just ignore the countless lives he has destroyed, the amount of orphans he has made, the sheer terror he placed onto a whole nation.

Maybe we should all carelessly "wander" down O'Connell St and stand in line to meet the evil bastard, after all what is done is done. Lets go back to sleep....

rye1967 wrote: »

Finally, those chanting today would do well to remember their luck to reside in Ireland and recall, that if living the Iraq of Saddam Hussein, they would not have the luxury of expressing their opinions in a public demonstration, unless they were in support of the state.

Anyone that lined up for the book from a war criminal is shameless and has no respect for human life.

The Nürnberg Tribunal condemned a war of aggression in the strongest terms: "To initiate a war of aggression . . . is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." It held individuals accountable for "crimes against peace", defined as the "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing...." When the United Nations General Assembly unanimously affirmed the Nürnberg principles in 1946, it affirmed the principle of individual accountability for such crimes. - http://www.un.org/icc/crimes.htm

sligopark

nullzero wrote: »

While I can gree with the spirirt of what you're saying I have to disagree when you advocate violence.

all too common with the general Irish no balls mammy-ed population

its time clearly for people to riot on the street and revolt.

If not now - when?

Jeboa Safari

sligopark wrote: »

all too common with the general Irish no balls mammy-ed population

its time clearly for people to riot on the street and revolt.

If not now - when?

Riot to do what? What outcome do you forsee after a big riot?

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

He obviously is welcome here as evidence by the fact that more people turned up to get the book signed and only 200-300 turned up to protest

Well that show you the level of decadence of moral bankruptcy in Ireland then.

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

most of them the usual rent-a-mob rabble.

meaning?

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Richard Boyd Barret in the middle of it all no doubt.

meaning?

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

If there was a peaceful protest with a large turnout maybe you could say that he wasn't welcome here. There's plenty of people greatful to him for his hand in the norths peace process

Yeah. Hope they are grateful for the FRU and stakeknife as well.

demonspawn

nullzero wrote: »

While I can gree with the spirirt of what you're saying I have to disagree when you advocate violence.
When people hold violent demonstrations they're giving power to the very politicians they're protesting against to crack down on and even ban any types of protest.
Violence gets you nowhere, surely this is self evident.

Alternatively, it empowers ordinary citizens to show just how angry they are with their elected leaders and shows these leaders that they are not untouchable. Also, if politicians start cracking down on protests instead of ensuring their own safety, it merely highlights their wish for a totalitarian police state where people are unable to express their views.

Tell me, where were the violent protesters during that Reclaim the Streets demo in Dublin when the Gardai went nuts cracking people's skulls in broad daylight? What justification did the Gardai have for doing that? Were any Gardai convicted of assault? Same question for the Shell to Sea protests. They were peaceful until the Gardai started attacking.

Jeboa Safari

Well that show you the level of decadence of moral bankruptcy in Ireland then.

Not really

meaning?

Meaning they're the usual rabble you'll see at every protest, from mayo to storming the dail

meaning?

Same as above, usually there with his piece to say at every protest

Yeah. Hope they are grateful for the FRU and stakeknife as well.

You've lost me here?

sligopark

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Meaning they're the usual rabble you'll see at every protest, from mayo to storming the dail

perhaps they are the very few with some balls

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Riot to do what? What outcome do you forsee after a big riot?

fire, burning, destruction - preferably of buildings containing banks politicians and their homes cars and investments

followed shortly thereafter by satisfaction and a few well deserved pints

Given enough targeting the insurance companies would not continue to insure and presently the guards have no stomach for riot intervention

politicians either listen or are forced to - if they don't then we have the intervention of the IMF which will force proper treatment of banksters, gangster politicians and developers who have banjanxed this country and enslaved the middle class down.

Jeboa Safari

sligopark wrote: »

perhaps they are the very few with some balls




fire, burning, destruction - preferably of buildings containing banks politicians and their homes cars and investments

followed shortly thereafter by satisfaction and a few well deserved pints

Given enough targeting the insurance companies would not continue to insure and presently the guards have no stomach for riot intervention

politicians either listen or are forced to - if they don't then we have the intervention of the IMF which will force proper treatment of banksters, gangster politicians and developers who have banjanxed this country and enslaved the middle class down.

Burning down half the country and brining the IMF into the country would be a disaster.

sligopark

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Burning down half the country and brining the IMF into the country would be a disaster.

says you

half the country is blighted with derelict investments and quite a few economists and more are calling for IMF intervention before FF and their opposition buddies completely destroy us all

we need to riot and violently protest

Mezcita

sligopark wrote: »

perhaps they are the very few with some balls




fire, burning, destruction - preferably of buildings containing banks politicians and their homes cars and investments

followed shortly thereafter by satisfaction and a few well deserved pints

Given enough targeting the insurance companies would not continue to insure and presently the guards have no stomach for riot intervention

politicians either listen or are forced to - if they don't then we have the intervention of the IMF which will force proper treatment of banksters, gangster politicians and developers who have banjanxed this country and enslaved the middle class down.

Brilliant. Good man Rambo. Why don't you burn a couple of banker babies while you are at it? That'll show those fascist bankers!

Also, excellent use of the word "enslaved". In fact our lives are lives are remarkably similiar to the blacks in the USA during the 16th century.

Jesus.

charlemont

tony blair is not a bad man but an easily led man, im not saying he is a fool either, but he was by far the most willing british prime minister ever when it came to attempting to solve the problems britain inflicted on ireland. i agree with peoples right to protest but egging the man is pointless, its that dog bush that got tony into this mess, but whoever was british prime minister at the time they would have followed bush into afghanistan and iraq, i will say he holds the most useless job anyone could have in his role as middle east mediator.. those in control of israel dont want or need peace..war is money ... their country will get no luck for it either...

Jeboa Safari

sligopark wrote: »

says you

half the country is blighted with derelict investments and quite a few economists and more are calling for IMF intervention before FF and their opposition buddies completely destroy us all

we need to riot and violently protest

There's a reason why most countries do their best to try and avoid the IMF getting involved. You may have noticed recently, the EU bailed out Greece to avoid the IMF getting called in

And burning down the place is just stupid

sligopark

Mezcita wrote: »

Why don't you burn a couple of banker babies while you are at it?

instead of having them die because our health system is devoid of funding - as per your suggestion they are unafraid to sacrifice our nation's babies

That'll show those fascist bankers!

Mezcita wrote: »

Also, excellent use of the word "enslaved". In fact our lives are lives are remarkably similiar to the blacks in the USA during the 16th century.

not quite and not an equal comparision but hey you pull the emotional strings - personally I'm not biting

The nation needs violent protest, rioting and tghe specific targetting of politicians, banksters and those visiting the country with an agenda not favourable to our nation and its sovereignty.

charlemont wrote: »

tony blair is not a bad man but an easily led man

led by whom - Bush? Bush wasn't that intelligent and always appeared one stroke off being a monkey on a collar

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

There's a reason why most countries do their best to try and avoid the IMF getting involved. You may have noticed recently, the EU bailed out Greece to avoid the IMF getting called in

sorry this is no reason why the IMF should not come in and get Ireland sorted. We need outside intervention - this country is destroyed with gombeen tramps.

The EU is just now taking notice of how those in favour milked and blatantly defrauded the FAS system.

Time to burn them out.

chughes

Soveriegn wrote: »

It was great to watch, I am proud of the lads for kicking up such a fuss and am disappointed I couldn't make it to the protest. That lying,murdering, scumfukc is not welcome here, nor are any other war criminals. Those who sympathise with him deserve the same treatment (or worse).

Should we extend this policy to Messrs Adams and McGuinness or is one man's war criminal another man's freedom fighter ?

My name is URL

Where does it end if everyone takes to the streets and causes mayhem? How can order come out of chaos like that? It didn't work too well for Greece, with people killed by frenzied mobs.. they're as fcuked now as they were before anyone started protesting.. and the were as late in starting as we are.

Everyone knows the situation we're presently in. NAMA's process has begun and no amount of civil upheavel can stop it.. even if it was stopped now it'd put us in a an even deeper hole.

sligopark

chughes wrote: »

Should we extend this policy to Messrs Adams and McGuinness or is one man's war criminal another man's freedom fighter ?

didn't they require a £26 million robbery pay off too?

My name is URL wrote: »

Where does it end if everyone takes to the streets and causes mayhem? How can order come out of chaos like that?

the IMF intervention needed to remove the political and bankster classes from feeding off the Irish nation...

My name is URL wrote: »

Everyone knows the situation we're presently in. NAMA's process has begun and no amount of civil upheavel can stop it.. even if it was stopped now it'd put us in a an even deeper hole.

sorry did I mention the IMF?

My name is URL

sligopark wrote: »

the IMF intervention needed to remove the political and bankster classes from feeding off the Irish nation...




sorry did I mention the IMF?

We won't be any better off if the IMF take control of our fiscal matters. The only reason they'd step in is to recoup the losses we've incurred to other nations.. and to make damn sure it doesn't happen again. That doesn't mean removing bankers and politicians, it means giving them even more control over the situation!

sligopark

Then why don't we just tell the bond holders in Anglo to take and run and jump 'you gambled you lost' (haven't had Paddy Power return any of my money recently) and then do what Iceland did with its international debt ie 'bye' ?

Mezcita

sligopark wrote: »

instead of having them die because our health system is devoid of funding - as per your suggestion they are unafraid to sacrifice our nation's babies

That'll show those fascist bankers!

See this what I love about the whole "two fingers to the government, lets go smash stuff up" massive. The specific assumption that every single thing that the government does is rubbish and would be sorted by a quick riot with a few dead politicians thrown in for good measure.

Here's a link to the infant mortality figures (by country) taken primarily from the 2006 United Nations World Population Prospects report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Not too many baby sacrifies due to dodgy healthcare in Ireland it appears. Compared to say other countries which have consistently had violent upheavel in the last fifty years.

sligopark wrote: »

not quite and not an equal comparision but hey you pull the emotional strings - personally I'm not biting

The nation needs violent protest, rioting and tghe specific targetting of politicians, banksters and those visiting the country with an agenda not favourable to our nation and its sovereignty.

You said that the people of Ireland have been "enslaved" by the actions our government. The idea is therefore that we are somehow slaves who have no free choice about what to do with our lives. Complete nonsense.

Basically I'd suggest that if you don't like the government which was democratically elected by the people of Ireland you should perhaps leave. Or possibly set up some mad anarchist party which 99.99% of Irish people will ignore as the idea of burning stuff down for a bit of craic does not really make sense.

Jeboa Safari

sligopark wrote: »

Then why don't we just tell the bond holders in Anglo to take and run and jump 'you gambled you lost' (haven't had Paddy Power return any of my money recently) and then do what Iceland did with its international debt ie 'bye' ?

And who'd lend to us again if we just decided to not pay our debts back and instead go and burn stuff down?

sligopark

Mezcita wrote: »

You said that the people of Ireland have been "enslaved" by the actions our government. The idea is therefore that we are somehow slaves who have no free choice about what to do with our lives. Complete nonsense.

remember the Lisbon vote? And the second vote because the political class and the EU didn't like the first democratic vote?

And yes -ENSLAVED - generations to come will be forced to pay off our bankster and politicans debt

Mezcita wrote: »

Basically I'd suggest that if you don't like the government which was democratically elected by the people of Ireland you should perhaps leave.

thanks - do you mean like the tens of thousands forced to emmigrate because of what the present political class are guilty of letting occur?

whats democratic about refusing a vote in the three by election areas that would remove the government?

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

And who'd lend to us again if we just decided to not pay our debts back and instead go and burn stuff down?

the same people lending to Iceland and realising they are no longer encumbered by massive debt and so able to repay new debt perhaps


plenty of countries have done the same in the past including Russia

Jeboa Safari

sligopark wrote: »

remember the Lisbon vote? And the second vote because the political class and the EU didn't like the first democratic vote?

And yes -ENSLAVED - generations to come will be forced to pay off our bankster and politicans debt




thanks - do you mean like the tens of thousands forced to emmigrate because of what the present political class are guilty of letting occur?

whats democratic about refusing a vote in the three by election areas that would remove the government?




the same people lending to Iceland and realising they are no longer encumbered by massive debt and so able to repay new debt perhaps


plenty of countries have done the same in the past including Russia

And what about the next time you don't think we should pay debts and riot instead? The lenders will cop on fairly quickly if they're going to lose money everytime they lend to Ireland. Thus no money and the country even worse off

Mezcita

sligopark wrote: »

remember the Lisbon vote? And the second vote because the political class and the EU didn't like the first democratic vote?

And yes -ENSLAVED - generations to come will be forced to pay off our bankster and politicans debt




thanks - do you mean like the tens of thousands forced to emmigrate because of what the present political class are guilty of letting occur?

whats democratic about refusing a vote in the three by election areas that would remove the government?

You're contradicting yourself.

You say that future of generations are essentially enslaved by the huge debt involved. But then state that people are volunatarily emmigrating in their thousands to escape said debt.

It's simple. By leaving you dodge the bullet of "Angela's Ashes" style poverty now destroying Ireland. Leave us behind to our rubbish healthcare, the imminent 50% unemployment rate, the people literally starving in the streets.

Please, save yourself. Before it's too late.

sligopark

Mezcita wrote: »

You're contradicting yourself.

You say that future of generations are essentially enslaved by the huge debt involved. But then state that people are volunatarily emmigrating in their thousands to escape said debt.

as their choice now and as was in the past

Mezcita wrote: »

It's simple. By leaving you dodge the bullet of "Angela's Ashes" style poverty now destroying Ireland. Leave us behind to our rubbish healthcare, the imminent 50% unemployment rate, the people literally starving in the streets.

Please, save yourself. Before it's too late.

I live in the best place in the world geographically (having previously travelled) I prefer to stay on and do the right thing and invoke violent protest and engage in riot and targetting of politicians and banksters until a time when the IMF intervenes

dublincelt

My name is URL wrote: »

If he's a war criminal then why hasn't he been tried as one? And how is flinging your sandals at him going to change that?

I'm sure that he is guilty of some war crimes but violent protests like that never achieve anything. People would be better off pressuring those with the power to charge him to do so

That has got to be one of the most stupid questions I have ever read on the internet ever. If you really need to ask that, step away from the keyboard please!

My name is URL

dublincelt wrote: »

That has got to be one of the most stupid questions I have ever read on the internet ever. If you really need to ask that, step away from the keyboard please!

You didn't answer the question, as dumb as you think it was =p

I'm deadly serious about it too.. if he's such a blatant war criminal then why has he not been legally brought into question over it? Surely him signing a book and drawing protesters is a sad side-effect of that question going unanswered..?

Mezcita

sligopark wrote: »

as their choice now and as was in the past

Ever so slightly different situation though. Millions emmigrated during the famine as there was literally nothing to eat. Now, obviously given our now enslaved population, such times are only a matter of months away due to the incompetence of our governent. Right?

Oh.

sligopark wrote: »

I live in the best place in the world geographically (having previously travelled) I prefer to stay on and do the right thing and invoke violent protest and engage in riot and targetting of politicians and banksters until a time when the IMF intervenes

And I look forward to watching you and the six (maybe seven) other people who favour such methods receiving the full attention of the Irish legal system.


"Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace - shut up!
Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.
Dissenter: Uh, well, one.
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid. "

dublincelt

My name is URL wrote: »

You didn't answer the question, as dumb as you think it was =p

I'm deadly serious about it too.. if he's such a blatant war criminal then why has he not been legally brought into question over it? Surely him signing a book and drawing protesters is a sad side-effect of that question going unanswered..?

Ask yourself, how did LBJ escape sanction over the countless millions killed in Vietnam?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

How about Regan and has tacit support of the killings in Central America?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/WarCrimes_Reagan_iF.html

How about Ariel Sharon? (Sabra and Shatila).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

What "western" criminal court is going to prosecute Tony Blair for his crimes in Iraq??

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=234

Tony Blair, Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Regan, Ariel Sharon have not been inside a court to face up to their crimes against humanity. It doesn’t however mean that they are not warmongering idealists.

It just means that they and people like them in the civilised "west" will never be brought to account for killing as long as it furthers their agenda. LBJ (Defeat Communism) Regan (Defeat Communism/Maintain stanglehold of wealth, Ariel Sharon, Secure a Safe homeland for the downtrodden (Jews), Blair (Stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction by a "rogue state")
It is all a game. Blair IS a War Criminal. I dont need to see him INSIDE a court to know that!!

Spacedog

Typical no balls to even recgognise the truth, mass trolling that is boards.ie. David Kelly? Lord Hutton locking the autopsy from public view for 70 years? Reality?

If I ever saw Bush or Blair I'd throw my shoes at 'em without hesitation. Fair play to 'em, shame they missed.

Jeboa Safari

Spacedog wrote: »

Typical no balls to even recgognise the truth, mass trolling that is boards.ie. David Kelly? Lord Hutton locking the autopsy from public view for 70 years? Reality?

If I ever saw Bush or Blair I'd throw my shoes at 'em without hesitation. Fair play to 'em, shame they missed.

Why what would you hope to achieve by throwing your shoe at him?

My name is URL

dublincelt wrote: »

Ask yourself

I have done.. and I have no doubt that there have been discrepancies in the past as well as the more recent ones.. they continue to happen because those calling them to question remain on the fringes. The fringe is a difficult place to settle though, when trying to prove current claims

Eradicate

How bad was it? My husband said he was in easons and saw him. but he didnt see any trouble

rye_212

Eradicate wrote: »

How bad was it? My husband said he was in easons and saw him. but he didnt see any trouble

That was my impression too. I think the journalists were looking to report a fight and took every opportunity to report one.

Perhaps one person threw one egg, and one person threw one shoe. Perhaps those missiles didn't hit Mr Blair. Not quite a "pelting" but a less exciting headline. After the melee left, I saw some red dye on the pavement outside Easons, so I suppose that was thrown to simulate the blood spilled but I didn't see any mention of that.

For instance it was reported on some news site that Blair left by a side door. I was in the queue at the side door and I didn't see him leave. On the evening news, it appeared to me that he left in a 4-door silver saloon from the front of the building. So, don't believe everything you read in the news.

nullzero

They were a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country, hypocrites too.

Ok...

Gardai should have baton charged them

I had to laugh.

sligopark

Mezcita wrote: »

Ever so slightly different situation though. Millions emmigrated during the famine as there was literally nothing to eat.

yes

http://www.irishholocaust.org/

Mezcita wrote: »

Now, obviously given our now enslaved population, such times are only a matter of months away due to the incompetence of our governent.

not sure of you but I know of more than a few families particularly struggling right now and not months away but weeks away from no income

Mezcita wrote: »

And I look forward to watching you and the six (maybe seven) other people who favour such methods receiving the full attention of the Irish legal system.

I look forward to you returning to this thread and thinking - 'man he was right I am so sorry I invoked moral cowardice'

Mezcita wrote: »

"Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace - shut up!
Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.
Dissenter: Uh, well, one.
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid. "

Wasn't all this in Ireland in return to our passing our fishing rights over to the EU for immediate fiscal return?

Presently Iceland is stealing this from our waters and nothing is being doen about it....

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Why what would you hope to achieve by throwing your shoe at him?

perhaps bodily connection? contact to the head?

nullzero

demonspawn wrote: »

Alternatively, it empowers ordinary citizens to show just how angry they are with their elected leaders and shows these leaders that they are not untouchable. Also, if politicians start cracking down on protests instead of ensuring their own safety, it merely highlights their wish for a totalitarian police state where people are unable to express their views.

Tell me, where were the violent protesters during that Reclaim the Streets demo in Dublin when the Gardai went nuts cracking people's skulls in broad daylight? What justification did the Gardai have for doing that? Were any Gardai convicted of assault? Same question for the Shell to Sea protests. They were peaceful until the Gardai started attacking.

Good points well made.
However, this isn't a fair system. Gardai will always justify violence against protestors and they'll gain public support even when it isn't merited, it never works the other way around, the system isn't fair, so ultimately violent protest is always counter productive.
Protesting itself is essential, just not the type of protest that justify's the further encroachment of the system on the people.

sligopark

Gardai right now have no interest past filling their days now - ask any of them you know - not interested - if there was a riot I think they would stand aside

Jeboa Safari

nullzero wrote: »

However, this isn't a fair system. Gardai will always justify violence against protestors and they'll gain public support even when it isn't merited, it never works the other way around, the system isn't fair

Actaully it's the opposite, the Gardai often aren't able to give out a few deserved belts to scumbags breaking the law a lot of the time because there'll be people filming trying to make the Gardai look as bad as possible. I'd say they aren't nearly as physical as they used to be. Some Guards are afraid to use violence against scumbags incase they'll be filmed and lose their jobs

sligopark

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Actaully it's the opposite, the Gardai often aren't able to give out a few deserved belts to scumbags breaking the law a lot of the time because there'll be people filming trying to make the Gardai look as bad as possible. I'd say they aren't nearly as physical as they used to be. Some Guards are afraid to use violence against scumbags incase they'll be filmed and lose their jobs

exactly my point - underpaid undervalued - won't interrupt a deserved riot they agree with but can't involve themselves in

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Some Guards are afraid to use violence against scumbags incase they'll be filmed and lose their jobs

What is the world coming to?? :eek: