Rep. of Ireland v Andorra, Tue 7 September 2010 [RTE2: 7pm, KO: 7.45pm]

bonerm

medicman2009 wrote: »

Once again the usual lack of goals from an Irish team, which will undoubtably come back to haunt us at a later stage.

Why undoubtedly? I'd love to know where this notion of Ireland suffering as a result of weak goal difference comes from. Yes we don't score too many goals but it's also worth noting that the last time it actually made any difference to us in terms of progression to a tournament was almost 30 years ago.

A win is a win and personally I'd be quite happy if Ireland managed to go thru the rest of this group picking up the required number o 1-0's and 0-0s and coming out on top.

sofireland

I didn't think the goals scored against the worst team counted for the playoffs

killwill

ColeTrain wrote: »

1. Won the corner that Kilbane scored from with some nice peice of play.
   
2. Played a lovely ball to Keane that he was ruled offside from, replay suggested it was 50/50.
   
3. Set up Kilbane with a lovely flick
   
4. Set up Keane with a beautiful passage from which he scored.
   
5. Crossed the ball into Keane and Doyle which they both failed to run onto.
   
6. Set Andy Keogh up for a great chance at the end.

That's just from the top of my head, I'm sure he contributed more than that but that's chances he directly helped make, not bad for a nights work. Not to mention it was his second game of the season, coming in the space of 5 days but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

All valid points but he played against a gardner, a school teacher, etc. Let's see what he does against Russia and Slovakia. I hope he has a stormer, I just don't think he has the ability. In his defence, his problem with his crosses was always they were not clearing the first defender, now he is over hitting them, but that shows he os working on it and hopefully it will pay off.

fryup

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Never liked the guy he has a swelded head persona about him thats grating.

cullenswood

fryup wrote: »

he never does it in the crunch games that matter.
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That is the biggest load of crap ever. Take the time to study his goal scoring record before posting

bonerm

fryup wrote: »

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Yeah you're right. Speaking of which I must have been dreaming when I saw him scoring v Italy in Bari and v France in Paris last year.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Regarding Andy Reid - he was tremendous for the first half of last season, the lad was showing top 6 form but then got injured around the New Year and has been pretty much out since. I do think he is a very talented player, however until he can control his weight and injury proneness simultaneously he has no chance of making the squad. And his chances are already slim enough with our embarrassment of riches on the left wing (Duff, McGeady, Hunt, Fahey) combined with Trap's love of tough tackling central midfielders.

Dublin_Gunner

lol @ Bonerm.

Keane has scored TONNES of vital goals in 'crunch games' as fryup put it.

France, Italy, Georgia, Cyrpus, Albania, Spain, Germany etc etc should I go on?

Ush1

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Regarding Andy Reid - he was tremendous for the first half of last season, the lad was showing top 6 form but then got injured around the New Year and has been pretty much out since. I do think he is a very talented player, however until he can control his weight and injury proneness simultaneously he has no chance of making the squad. And his chances are already slim enough with our embarrassment of riches on the left wing (Duff, McGeady, Hunt, Fahey) combined with Trap's love of tough tackling central midfielders.

Andy Reid won't make the squad regardless. Trap just doesn't want him.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

fryup wrote: »

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Never liked the guy he has a swelded head persona about him thats grating.

LOL what a load of sh!te. Are you Roy Curtis from the Sunday World?

tolosenc

I'd play McShane against Russia. Up front. Tell him he's to pretend to be playing for the Russians, and to give it his all. 4-0 Ireland in that case.

Ush1

I think McGeady played well but as others have said I would have thought his game would be abit more polished by now and he would be consistently constructive.

Clearly has ability but frustrating to watch. Perhaps down to lack of a preseason, I hope it's not down to him STILL "maturing". It's taking too long and may never happen if that's the case.

dsmythy

bonerm wrote: »

A win is a win and personally I'd be quite happy if Ireland managed to go thru the rest of this group picking up the required number o 1-0's and 0-0s and coming out on top.

Going into a big game against Russia I don't think the confidence would be flowing if we limped to a 1-0 "result" over Andorra at home.

bonerm

tolosenc wrote: »

I'd play McShane against Russia. Up front. Tell him he's to pretend to be playing for the Russians, and to give it his all. 4-0 Ireland in that case.

I'd play him up front too. Might as well try everywhere until we work out what position he's actually good at.

cson

MOG7 wrote: »

I think we need to take Trap out and shoot him so because i can't see him playing that team, i know its only 2 changes really but i still can't see it, i would put my house on it that it will be Andrews and Whelan in the middle next month presuming both are fit. Left back i would be surprised if its not Kilbane again too, if he wouldn't give a younger player a chance last night what are the chances of him playing them against Russia or Slovakia, nil.

I agree on the Kelly point too, when he first came along too i think he showed a lot of promise but i think the step up to international is just too big a step for now.

"Take Trap out and shoot him"?

The mind boggles. :rolleyes:

Dolph Starbeam

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

My Ireland team would be:

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Given
O'Shea----Dunne---St Ledger----Foley
Lawrence/Duff--Whelan--Gibson---McGeady

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Doyle---Keane


If anyone thinks the team should be much different than that they should be shot.

cson wrote: »

"Take Trap out and shoot him"?

The mind boggles. :rolleyes:

Maybe you didn't read it properly.

bonerm

dsmythy wrote: »

Going into a big game against Russia I don't think the confidence would be flowing if we limped to a 1-0 "result" over Andorra at home.

I'd imagine the team take nothing from these games other than the importance of winning by whatever means. As anyone who witnessed Ireland's 0-0 draw with Liechtenstein in 1995 would testify it's nice to get lots of goals but it's just vital to win and worry about things like GD later on.

WRT to confidence a team that is well organised and has matched Italy and France in recent times will not feel awed by Russia or Slovakia when the time comes, regardless of results v the likes of Andorra.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Ush1 wrote: »

Andy Reid won't make the squad regardless. Trap just doesn't want him.

Not sure how much truth is in the 'Banjo-gate' rumours. My belief is Trap wants 'bash brothers' in central midfield and Andy Reid simply doesn't fit that criteria. Anyway, James McCarthy is fast becoming the newer, bigger elephant in the room.

Dolph Starbeam

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Not sure how much truth is in the 'Banjo-gate' rumours. My belief is Trap wants 'bash brothers' in central midfield and Andy Reid simply doesn't fit that criteria. Anyway, James McCarthy is fast becoming the newer, bigger elephant in the room.

Very true, his performance against Chelsea was brilliant, he was actually in the running for the man of the match award, also showed a bit of bite when he threw a little shoulder at Terry.

JerryHandbag

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Trappatono obvipusly doesnt see McGeady in the same light as some of the clueless experts on here...:rolleyes:

Well Trap is hardly gonna say he had a stinker now is he.

I think McGeady has flattered to deceive in an Ireland shirt so far, however as ppl have said he's not had much football this season.....so in 12 months time when this group qualifying is coming to a close we'll be in a far better position to praise/slaughter him.

LuckyLloyd

fryup wrote: »

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Never liked the guy he has a swelded head persona about him thats grating.

Leaving aside his immense scoring record / overall playing contribution and the plethora of key goals at key times that he has banged in over the years; Keane is actually a genuinely decent lad, still in touch with people he grew up with and apparently no airs and graces about himself whatsoever. The ****e that gets spouted about him is unreal.

flahavaj

fryup wrote: »

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Never liked the guy he has a swelded head persona about him thats grating.

Goals in Italy and France in the last 12 months alone completely refute that tired old argument pretty sharpish. You're either not very smart, on a wind up or most likely both tbh.

Johnny Utah

I told ye Kilbane would come good...... and some of ye actually wanted to drop young Killer..... :rolleyes:

LowOdour

fryup wrote: »

It has to be said Robbie Keane is an ol'big head isn't he....the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes: he never does it in the crunch games that matter.

Never liked the guy he has a swelded head persona about him thats grating.

He did score against france, and he always puts in a decent shift around the park....but i do have a problem with his constant moaning and complaing when things dont go his way....very stroppy player.

Doyle gets far worse treatment on the pitch than him but just mans up and gets on with it.

Ush1

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Not sure how much truth is in the 'Banjo-gate' rumours. My belief is Trap wants 'bash brothers' in central midfield and Andy Reid simply doesn't fit that criteria. Anyway, James McCarthy is fast becoming the newer, bigger elephant in the room.

Yep, I think McCarthy may end up playing on the wing if at all.

cullenswood

Trap would definitely not stick him in the centre which is a shame. Still, he is an excellent prospect for the future. I just hope Tom Cleverly doesn't hinder his prospects at club level

Coillte_Bhoy

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Well Trap is hardly gonna say he had a stinker now is he.

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No of course not but he made a point of praising him.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

cullenswood wrote: »

Trap would definitely not stick him in the centre which is a shame. Still, he is an excellent prospect for the future. I just hope Tom Cleverly doesn't hinder his prospects at club level

Cleverly will play on the wing, so no.

cullenswood

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Cleverly will play on the wing, so no.

Hopefully, but he can also play in the centre

xtal191

New away kit

http://kitkross.com/kitkross-blog/2010/9/6/official-ireland-1012-away-kit.html

GLaDOS

fryup wrote: »

the way he celebrated as if he scored against a top notch team:rolleyes:

Personally I love to see a player celebrate with enthusiasm, shows they really enjoy playing

cullenswood

xtal191 wrote: »

New away kit

http://kitkross.com/kitkross-blog/2010/9/6/official-ireland-1012-away-kit.html

Would be nice without the 3 logo

Dublin_Gunner

cullenswood wrote: »

Would be nice without the 3 logo

Totally agree. I hate the 3 logo, its looks rotten on our jerseys

secman

Could not believe it when they announced the attendance last night @ 40k +, looked at best 30ish k at the match, atmosphere was not great at all. FAI seriously need to look at prices..... fckud if I'm contributing to Delaney's fat salary of over €430k if media has it right. If he was a Chartered Accountant in industry in todays market, he would be lucky to be on €100k !, especially after the losses posted at last AGM. The back slapping one down in Wexford when they all told each other what a great job they were doing. €30M losses, can't sell the premium tickets, complete disaster there, and then could not fill a 50,000 stadium for our first competitive match when they were selling 70,000 for Croker.

Of course Delaney will point to Reccession, but No Reccession when it comes to his salary !

Secman

Coillte_Bhoy

secman wrote: »

Could not believe it when they announced the attendance last night @ 40k +, looked at best 30ish k at the match, atmosphere was not great at all. FAI seriously need to look at prices..... fckud if I'm contributing to Delaney's fat salary of over €430k

You buying a ticket or not isnt going to affect his salary

secman wrote: »

if media has it right. If he was a Chartered Accountant in industry in todays market, he would be lucky to be on €100k !

He's employed as a CEO not a chartered accountant ffs
and then could not fill a 50,000 stadium for our first competitive match when they were selling 70,000 for Croker.

Of course Delaney will point to Reccession, but No Reccession when it comes to his salary !

Secman

Of course the recession has a huge part to play in low ticket sales. To say otherwise is ridiculous. And how many tickets do you think would have been sold if we had faced Andorra in a competitive game at Croker?? Feck all more than last night i'd say.

secman

So you seriously think that his salary of €430,000 is ok in the times that are in it ?

Thats €8,269.23 per week !

FFS Obama is not on that !
Our football association can not afford that sort of salary, look at our national league ! That is within his remit and its a shambles. There is no way his salary of €430,000 can be justified, absolutely no way.

Secman

JP Liz V1

3 - 1 is a great win so well done to the lads I would have liked to see them keep a clean sheet

DH2K9

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Totally agree. I hate the 3 logo, its looks rotten on our jerseys

the jersey is rotten anyway. How many more jerseys do Ireland need?