Prostitution in Ireland.

Sheeps

I found out the other night that prostitution is legal in Ireland. Our government has decided at some point that selling your body for sexual activities is deemed acceptable in our society. Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful? Did you know that prostitution was legal in this country? Did you know that the red light district in Dublin was once one of the biggest red light districts in Europe? How aware are you of prostitution in Ireland? Would you/Have you ever had sex with a hooker in Ireland?

Sticky_Fingers

All I know is they charge extra for
:pac:........

Royal Irish

No, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Its the oldest profession in the world and its near impossible to police.

Napper Hawkins

No, yes, no but not surprised and also don't care, I'm aware of it and no unless I had no other option.

Why?

Tar.Aldarion

Sheeps wrote: »

I found out the other night that prostitution is legal in Ireland. Our government has decided at some point that selling your body for sexual activities is deemed acceptable in our society. Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful? Did you know that prostitution was legal in this country? Did you know that the red light district in Dublin was once one of the biggest red light districts in Europe? How aware are you of prostitution in Ireland? Would you/Have you ever had sex with a hooker in Ireland?

Yes it is legal, just advertising it is not. I would not consider it shameful, unless the person was forced into it or w/e. No I have not, how hot is she?

Also, of course it should be legal.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Sheeps wrote: »

I found out the other night that prostitution is legal in Ireland. Our government has decided at some point that selling your body for sexual activities is deemed acceptable in our society. Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful? Did you know that prostitution was legal in this country? Did you know that the red light district in Dublin was once one of the biggest red light districts in Europe? How aware are you of prostitution in Ireland? Would you/Have you ever had sex with a hooker in Ireland?

Can you actually give any reference or are you just talking out your arse?
I'd bet this is more of a grey area than anything else. :pac:

The Highwayman

Maybe you should tell Ruhama its legal and see what they say!


Eh its not legal by the way

Tar.Aldarion

The Highwayman wrote: »

Maybe you should tell Ruhama its legal and see what they say!


Eh its not legal by the way

Um, why are you posting your opinion on it if you don't know? Which you clearly don't. it is legal.

Maya Tasteless Threesome wrote: »

Can you actually give any reference or are you just talking out your arse?
I'd bet this is more of a grey area than anything else. :pac:

Everything he said is true, look it up if ye want...

Sheeps

Maya Tasteless Threesome wrote: »

Can you actually give any reference or are you just talking out your arse?
I'd bet this is more of a grey area than anything else. :pac:

Have a quick google for Irish escorts and see if I'm talking out my arse.

Sheeps

Apparently it's illegal to run a brothel and to solicit sex for money in a public place but other than that it's all completely legal.

Tar.Aldarion

You can't pimp either, unfortunately.

/packs away pimp cane and purple suit

NoHornJan

Sheeps wrote: »

. Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful?QUOTE]

Yes.
Sleeping with a prostitute is a waste of money.

Bluefox21

Pretty sure it is illegal tbf

Tar.Aldarion

Bluefox21 wrote: »

Pretty sure it is illegal tbf

No.

Einhard

I couldn't sleep with a prostitute...well I could, but not in her capacity as a prossy...not because it's immoral or any of that kind of thing but I just imagine it to be so sterile and perfunctionary. I imagine the act of paying for sex with a woman who has absolutely no interest in you, possibly despises you, is more demeaning for the punter than the provider.

Having said that, of course prostitution should be legalised. It's a no-brainer. What the hell are we do legislating for morality in the first place?! It's not as if the service provided is somehow illicit or dangerous. And regulation is the only way that the safety of the working girls can be guaranteed. Also, it would bring in a nice little earner for the state.

Just an example of how ludicrousour laws are in this regard. There was a man prosecuted recently in Cork for running a brothel. S'posedly he was making a mint. The girls who worked for him said they worked in a safe, clean environment and made an excellent living, and felt under no compulsion to do what they were doing. And yet somehow, the man was busted, is now in prison, and the girls out of work. Not only that, but the investigation was started in the first place because the owner reported a man who was looking for underage girls to the police. So he does his civic duty, brings a sexual predator to the attention of the authorities, and he's shut down, incarcerated, and a potential means of indentifying paedos is lost. And for what? Nobody is served by the state sticking their long noses into our sex lives.

The Highwayman

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Um, why are you posting your opinion on it if you don't know? Which you clearly don't. it is legal.

Everything he said is true, look it up if ye want...

Ok go down the Baggot St. area and stop your car pick up a hooker and see what happens if the cops catch you.

aurelius79

In 1993, the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act criminalised soliciting and kerbcrawling for the first time. It gave the cops further license to harass prostitutes. Anyone found loitering with the intention of soliciting can be directed by a cop to leave that place immediately. Failure to comply can result in a £250 fine for a first conviction, £500 for a second and £500 plus four months imprisonment for a third or subsequent conviction. In the first seventeen months of the Act, 116 women were prosecuted, with only 12 prosecutions of men. Clients who pay for sex with minors are rarely prosecuted.

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/ws99/ws56_prostit.html

I'd visit a prostitute if I weren't so shy about the whole thing. It's not much different than having a girlfriend except I don't have to take a prostitute out for dinner, buy her ridiculously overpriced perfume for her birthday, or put up with the constant nagging and attempts to change me. Not a bad deal if you ask me. Ban marriage and legalize prostitution, it's the only way forward.

Jesus Wept

Sheeps wrote: »

Did you know that the red light district in Dublin was once one of the biggest red light districts in Europe?

Was or is?
By what metric?

Sounds like bollox to me.

King Felix

The Highwayman wrote: »

Ok go down the Baggot St. area and stop your car pick up a hooker and see what happens if the cops catch you.

It's illegal to solicit on the street.

And it's illegal to run a brothel, to have a premises as a brothel, to organise prostitution, to advertise sex for sale or for a brothel, to coerce another into prostitution or to live off the earnings of the prostitution of another.

Apart from that it's all fine and dandy.

George Carlin on the subject...

I don't understand why prostitution is illegal. Selling is legal. fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away? I can't follow the logic on that one at all! Of all the things you can do, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people! In civilian life you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm!

chughes

Government missing out on a potential tax revenue stream here. They could charge VAT at point of entry.:D

kfallon

Say you picked up a brazzer and said you'd like to have sex with her but you won't pay her for it BUT you said you'd give her €60 (or whatever a Dick Turpin costs these days ) towards her taxi fare home after it.....is that legal? Have I spotted a legal loophole* here???



*prob cost me an extra tenner to finger her loophole :eek:

El Weirdo

The-Rigger wrote: »

Was or is?
By what metric?

Sounds like bollox to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monto

Logical Fallacy

The Highwayman wrote: »

Ok go down the Baggot St. area and stop your car pick up a hooker and see what happens if the cops catch you.

It has already been detailed that soliciting in public and loitering with the intent of prostitution are illegal, your point is moot. In the circumstance you have proposed something illegal would be occurring, but it would not be prostitution.

Should it be fully legal? Why not? While i am personally not a fan of the concept of reducing sex to a purely mechanical action people who go to prostitutes clearly are. I also find the concept that anyone who ends up selling their bodies for money is somehow mentally or emtionally damaged to be an all together too convenient excuse for the people who abhor such a thing so assume that all others should too.

Like any issues, it's complicated and as an industry it undoubtedly has it's victims, however, sweeping them away under the rug of illegality is helping no one.

Poor Uncle Tom

Just another service provider,

Biggins

Sheeps wrote: »

* Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful? * Did you know that prostitution was legal in this country?
* Did you know that the red light district in Dublin was once one of the biggest red light districts in Europe?
* How aware are you of prostitution in Ireland?
* Would you/Have you ever had sex with a hooker in Ireland?

* I would consider it as a sad measure of desperate person.
* No.
* Yes.
* Very - thru work for the Dublin Rape Crises Centre
* No. Absolute never.

Mr. CooL ICE

Prostitutes are for guys who don't like a challenge

galwayrush

If it's legal, it must be a taxable income, could be called an entry and tipping tax.....

Burial

Einhard wrote: »

I couldn't sleep with a prostitute...well I could, but not in her capacity as a prossy...not because it's immoral or any of that kind of thing but I just imagine it to be so sterile and perfunctionary. I imagine the act of paying for sex with a woman who has absolutely no interest in you, possibly despises you, is more demeaning for the punter than the provider.

Having said that, of course prostitution should be legalised. It's a no-brainer. What the hell are we do legislating for morality in the first place?! It's not as if the service provided is somehow illicit or dangerous. And regulation is the only way that the safety of the working girls can be guaranteed. Also, it would bring in a nice little earner for the state.

Just an example of how ludicrousour laws are in this regard. There was a man prosecuted recently in Cork for running a brothel. S'posedly he was making a mint. The girls who worked for him said they worked in a safe, clean environment and made an excellent living, and felt under no compulsion to do what they were doing. And yet somehow, the man was busted, is now in prison, and the girls out of work. Not only that, but the investigation was started in the first place because the owner reported a man who was looking for underage girls to the police. So he does his civic duty, brings a sexual predator to the attention of the authorities, and he's shut down, incarcerated, and a potential means of indentifying paedos is lost. And for what? Nobody is served by the state sticking their long noses into our sex lives.

The laws are in effect to stop human trafficking and stop debt bondage. Just because this guy was operating correctly doesn't make the act less llegal. He may get a reduced sentence for not abusing the girls he had in his brothel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage#Modern_examples

In fact even legal places like the Netherlands suffer from Human Trafficking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands#Human_trafficking


EDIT: From this link in this wikipedia article on prosititution in Ireland. Even lap dancing has a problem with human trafficking.

In recent years there have been two further police operations. Operation Quest was launched in 2003, with the aim of tackling human trafficking, prostitution and criminality within the lap dancing industry, followed by Operation Hotel in 2005, with the aim of tackling the trafficking of females from Eastern Europe to work in the sex industry in Ireland.

Einhard

Burial wrote: »

The laws are in effect to stop human trafficking and stop debt bondage. Just because this guy was operating correctly doesn't make the act less llegal. He may get a reduced sentence for not abusing the girls he had in his brothel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage#Modern_examples

In fact even legal places like the Netherlands suffer from Human Trafficking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands#Human_trafficking


EDIT: From this link in this wikipedia article on prosititution in Ireland. Even lap dancing has a problem with human trafficking.

The laws have nothing to do with stopping sex trafficing and exploitation. They're nothing more than a vestige of the Catholic Ireland of the peeping windows mentality that pervaded the country, and especially Dail Eireann, until relatively recently. How on earth does prohibiting the selling of a commodity which the vast majority of the population enjoys legally, have any impact on sex trafficing? The only way to ensure that the prostitutes are treated properly, and work in a clean, safe environment is to legalise the industry, and regulate it. Otherwise what we have is an unlikely coalition of Christian moralists and feminists paying lip service to the protection of women, whilst actually pursuing their own narrow interests.

Mr. Manager

Royal Irish wrote: »

Its the oldest profession in the world...

You know you''re just setting yourself up to be lawyered, right?

jptk

The Highwayman wrote: »

Ok go down the Baggot St. area and stop your car pick up a hooker and see what happens if the cops catch you.

Take other posters advice and actually look it up before posting your opinion. It is legal.

Scarinae

aurelius79 wrote: »

I'd visit a prostitute if I weren't so shy about the whole thing. It's not much different than having a girlfriend except I don't have to take a prostitute out for dinner, buy her ridiculously overpriced perfume for her birthday, or put up with the constant nagging and attempts to change me. Not a bad deal if you ask me. Ban marriage and legalize prostitution, it's the only way forward.

:rolleyes: Yup, cos all women are just in it for the dinners and the perfume. I'm glad that you have used your superior insight to categorise half the population as money-grubbing nags

Donkey Oaty

jptk wrote: »

Take other posters advice and actually look it up before posting your opinion. It is legal.

Is kerb-crawling legal, though? This is from the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 1993.

(1) A member of the Garda Síochána who has reasonable cause to suspect that a person is loitering in a street or public place in order to solicit or importune another person or other persons for the purposes of prostitution may direct that person to leave immediately that street or public place.

(2) A person who without reasonable cause fails to comply with a direction under subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding—

(a) £250, in the case of a first conviction,
(b) £500, in the case of a second conviction, or
(c) £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 4 weeks or to both, in the case of a third or any subsequent conviction.

3) In this section "loitering" includes loitering in a motor vehicle.

Wolfe Tone

Fishie wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yup, cos all women are just in it for the dinners and the perfume. I'm glad that you have used your superior insight to categorise half the population as money-grubbing nags

Damn bitches.

Dave D

The-Rigger wrote: »

Was or is?
By what metric?

Sounds like bollox to me.

El Weirdo wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monto

always reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wny_0pi4hR4

Mike 1972

Prostitution in Ireland (and the UK) is theoretically legal but to do so without keeping a brothel (a premises with two or more prostitutes), soliciting, living off earnings of prostitution, advertising or living off the proceeds is a pretty neat trick.

Sheeps wrote: »

selling your body for sexual activities

Youre confusing selling with renting

Sheeps wrote: »

is deemed acceptable in our society.

Adultery is generally frowned upon by society but nobody ever "decided" it should be legal. It just is.

Sheeps wrote: »

Would you consider sleeping with a prostitute shameful?

Not really however I would regard it as rather a waste of money :pac:

Sheeps wrote: »

Would you/Have you ever had sex with a hooker in Ireland?

I wouldnt have sex with a prostitute in Ireland not because of any ethical issue with prostituution per se but because of other considerations among them being the rather high probability that the prostitute had been traffiked/forced into it.

Were I single and living in a civilised country where such activities were legislated for and regulated then I possibly would.

Sheeps

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Is kerb-crawling legal, though? This is from the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 1993.

Yes, these laws however have no jurisdiction over advertising on the internet and in magazines for escort services, which is where the Irish prostitution industry is considered to be fairly well developed more so than any were else.

Donkey Oaty

Sheeps wrote: »

Yes, these laws however have no jurisdiction over advertising on the internet and in magazines for escort services, which is where the Irish prostitution industry is considered to be fairly well developed more so than any were else.

Okay, but I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by The Highwayman [
Ok go down the Baggot St. area and stop your car pick up a hooker and see what happens if the cops catch you.

Edit: Sorry, missed your "however".

Mrmoe

I do not see any justification for prostitution to be illegal. I can understand why kerb crawling is illegal as it creates hassle for local residents. I don't see any difference between prostitution and porn.

Mike 1972

Mrmoe wrote: »

I don't see any difference between prostitution and porn.

I can download a free prostitute off the internet

Fremen

Burial wrote: »

The laws are in effect to stop human trafficking and stop debt bondage. Just because this guy was operating correctly doesn't make the act less llegal. He may get a reduced sentence for not abusing the girls he had in his brothel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage#Modern_examples

In fact even legal places like the Netherlands suffer from Human Trafficking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands#Human_trafficking


EDIT: From this link in this wikipedia article on prosititution in Ireland. Even lap dancing has a problem with human trafficking.

Some people, especially politicians, seem to have this idea that making something illegal makes people stop doing it.

If you want to stop human trafficking, make prostitution legal so that everything's out in the open. Require prostitutes to speak to a social worker once a month.

Black markets are extremely dangerous. They ensure that business is placed in the hands of exactly the type of people least suited to working ethically or responsibly.

CorkMan

It should be legal. We walk into centra and see porn magazines at the top of the shelf, how come that isn't banned? We look at MTV and every video has girls in tight jeans and their stomach and arms exposed. Its practically a porn channel sometimes.

Yet we can't legally go to a prostitute to have some innocent sex? I was out in Madrid last year and there were prostitutes lining a high end street at 2 in the afternoon, at least 8. The police do nothing about it, they see it going on all the time, so I reckon it is only wink-wink nod-nod.

In total I have gone to Madrid, Amsterdam and London out foreign and prostitution is clearly visible in them 3 cities, need I mind say the likes of Latin America and Asia. I think Ireland is sort of a one of country in that you don't see sex workers on the street. No doubt the catholic church has influenced the mindset of this country bigtime.

Mrmoe

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I can download a free prostitute off the internet

Sure plus you get a 20% discount when you reach 10k posts on boards:pac:

/Let the post whoring begin:D

Mike 1972

Mrmoe wrote: »

Sure plus you get a 20% discount

20% discount on something thats already free ?

Maybe I should download two then :pac:

Einhard

CorkMan wrote: »

I think Ireland is sort of a one of country in that you don't see sex workers on the street. No doubt the catholic church has influenced the mindset of this country bigtime.

I'm quite happy not to have prostitutes openly selling their wares on the street. It degrades both them and the area they're soliciting in. Much better to have it regulated and run from private apartments or houses.

Mike 1972

Einhard wrote: »

I'm quite happy not to have prostitutes openly selling their wares on the street.

Perhaps but I take it youve never been to Benburb Street in Dublin ?

Black Swan

No "free" drink?

King Felix

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Perhaps but I take it youve never been to Benburb Street in Dublin ?

The industry was derailed there, after the introduction of the LUAS.

Mike 1972

Apoligies for my somewhat outdated knowledge of Dublin Geography. So am I to take it that all the whoring in the vincinity these days is largely confined to the four courts building ?

Scanlas The 2nd

Women having sex with a man out of obligation and not desire is a waste of time. A [EMAIL="wa@k"]wa@k[/EMAIL] would be better.

Mike 1972

For which party ?

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Women having sex with a man out of obligation

In a properly regulated and legal framework with pimps and traffikers taken out of the equation there is no obligation A prostitute is able to decline a prospective client at anytime.