Does god really give a...?

Sam Vimes

topper75 wrote: »

That is as far as I am going (bolded above) myself. I really don't get your issue with the label. I don't know anything about God or the intelligence of God. Maybe the label has been polluted for you because of organised religions' characterisation of God as a being/person of sorts. I could also say Force or First Cause if it makes you feel better.

Well yes the label has been polluted by religions but even in its simplest form of "intelligent being" it makes a massive pile of totally unjustified assumptions. Terms like "first cause" and "force" make me think of things like gravity and electromagnetism and I don't think it makes any sense to call either of those things god. Atheists don't necessarily throw out the idea that there was a first cause/force, they just object to calling it god and/or making any assumptions about intelligence being involved

ColmDawson

But we don't know how the universe came to be. Why say things like "God created the universe"? You can't know this.

Even if you wish to leap into supposing it was caused by some 'Force', I can't for the life of me understand why you would want to call that God.

Doctor DooM

topper75 wrote: »

so this universe doesn't exist then? That is slightly worrying no?

He didn't say that, he was just pointing out you can't prove god started the universe either. You're stating as fact something you've no evidence for.

And thus begins the beginning of the universe argument which has been done to death already

krudler

Lets not get into who created what, thats been done to death, this is about if god cares about us, which he clearly doesnt,if he exists, which he doesnt....yay!

I was watching Religulous a few nights ago, now I may not agree with everything Maher says in it and he doesnt do the arrogant athiest stereotype any favours, but his reasoning is sound. the "doubt is humble" point, its arrogant to suggest we "know" god exists, as it is to suggest we know he doesnt. We dont know (or at least I dont) and I'd happily be proved wrong if he ever decides to show up and debunk all the lunacy surrounding his existence, but as thats about a likely to happen as a herd of unicorns being found alive and well in Limerick then doubt it is.

Zillah

Sam Vimes wrote: »

hippo

Why would you do this to me Sam?

Ash.J.Williams

They should seriously ban all talk of God here for a week and see is there anything else to talk about....I thought I might be an atheist, with my lack of belief in religion, but it's worse than bloody mass here sometimes....

krudler

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

They should seriously ban all talk of God here for a week and see is there anything else to talk about....I thought I might be an atheist, with my lack of belief in religion, but it's worse than bloody mass here sometimes....

Talking about god in an atheism forum, the shock! :eek:

they should ban people from talking about soccer in the soccer forum too, that'd go down well.

Dades

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I thought I might be an atheist, with my lack of belief in religion, but it's worse than bloody mass here sometimes....

At least hang around for the collection basket. You have a PayPal account, I assume?

liamw

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I thought I might be an atheist, with my lack of belief in religion, but it's worse than bloody mass here sometimes....

My beliefs by Ash J Williams:

Am I an atheist? (PS. I lack believe in a deity)

Do they talk about God a lot in the atheist forum?
1. Yes --> Therefore, I am not atheist
2. No --> Therefore, I am atheist

johanz

If god is almighty, why doesn't he stop all the sinners and crimes and evil in the world?
If he can but doesn't, he's an asshole. If he can't, he is not almighty. In both ways he does not deserve to be prayed to.
I praise Cthulu instead

efb

Imagine if Cher was god... omnipotence would be wasted on her...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY