west brom v totenham match thread

SuprSi

I just tuned in for the last few minutes - what's with WBA being better than us? Cudicini has kept us in it.

ziedth

Disaster

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Jesus Christ. West Brom ffs.

T-b0n3

Sigh :mad:

mickman

cudicini saved us in the second half. we were totally outplayed, AGAIN

we dominated the first half against man city in the openin day and since then we have been very poor. we were disjointed and looked tired today except for bale

we have NOTHING up front, absolutely nothing. van der vaart did v well but after 70 mins he was bent over exhausted. he will be a great player though

all in all, another bitterly disappointing performance and we should have actually been beaten

ziedth

And they cost me €50 after a 3 of my 4 games accume came off.

larry1

ziedth wrote: »

Disaster

Absolutely, the sight of Modric going down the tunnel on crutches

KingdomYid

I think we can say that apart from the first 45minutes against City we have not played football at all yet this season. I need a few pints after watching that stuff.

keane=cock

very worrying seeing modric on the crutches... how bad was the challange? does it look serious? only seen it on sky sports news there. bad result

SuprSi

I didn't know he went off on crutches. So that'll be Modric, Dawson and Defoe? At least VDV can come on instead of Modric, but those injuries really screw our first team up.

kakee

At least VDV can come on instead of Modric

No, VDV actually started the game. Niko came on for modric:)

ziedth

At lease Bale can go back into LM where he belongs IMHO. How did robbie do?

mickman

ziedth wrote: »

At lease Bale can go back into LM where he belongs IMHO. How did robbie do?

he barely got a touch. lennon was terrible and taken off. another bad day at the office, these are getting regular

kakee

another bad day at the office, these are getting regular

All the players seem to be having off days at the same time. Its never just one or two lads it always seems to be 8 or 9 players.

keane=cock

kakee wrote: »

No, VDV actually started the game. Niko came on for modric:)

think he means while modric is injured

everdead.ie

I thought bale vdv Thudd cudicini and Kabul played well and modric while he was on everyone else was poor to mediocre injury list is a serious worry

tippspur

Not looking good for CL on this form,worrying.:(

therecklessone

Right, home an hour later than I'd hoped cos the taxi man never showed when I got back to Dublin Airport, lovely way to finish off a sh1te day.

Where does one start?

Team selection...

Harry you fúcked it up (again). Bale at LB? The wrong forward on his own up top? Gallas unfit yet played (albeit to give him game time before Tuesday, but what must Bassong think being 5th choice?)

Substitutions and tactical changes...

Modric off should have resulted in Bale to LM and Ekotto on at LB, Niko is too slow to play the wing. Palacios should have been off, we were a man down all game because of his lapses. Keane for Pav should have happened much earlier.

Performances...

Palacios was woeful, we know he can't pull off the defence splitting pass but he couldn't even manage 2yds today. I counted 3 completed passes from him all game. His tackling was awful as well, the amount of times he missed tackles was worrying. I suspect he was picked to provide cover for Gallas and Kaboul, but he failed at that task and when away from home we need to retain possession, not rely on winning it back (he could do neither today). Pavlyuchenko seems to have gone back into his "can't be arsed" routine, threw himself to the ground at every opportunity, made no effort, no movement, just shocking in general. Corluka was his usual lackadaisical self. Gallas is unfit and showing signs of rustiness, and was partially at fault for the goal. Cudicini only looked good because of the couple of saves at the end.

Aaron Lennon had a stinker, he is completely devoid of confidence and the only way he will get it back is if Bale is playing LM which stretches opposition midfields/defences and allows Lennon space to work with on the other side.

Kaboul, Thudd, Bale and VDV all played well for most of the game, VDV looks like he might be a very handy player once he's bedded in.

Keane and Crouch weren't on long enough to assign any real blame for the performance.

Harry Redknapp...

If Martin Jol served up a performance like that he'd be slaughtered. I don't care who he signs, but the talk before the game of making Gallas captain to put us fans in our place was disgraceful.

I said at the end of last season, our biggest performances came on the back of injuries which forced Redknapp's hand on team selection, and that when he has options available his judgement can be questionable. It was very questionable today. Redknapp is trying to ruin the best left sided midfield player in the English game by paying him at LB, and he is upsetting the team dynamic by doing so. Furthermore, he has allowed his ego re. Robbie Keane cloud hid judgement recently, and with Defoe out for two months we cannot afford to indulge that any longer.

Managers live or die on their ability to change a game...where was our change today? Redknapp eschews modern tactical thinking, well it's about time he embraced it because he isn't showing any talent for identifying how to break down stubborn teams. West Brom with all due respect are a poor side, and we made them look good today.

I hate to think what Wolves will be like.

kakee

Quote:
Originally Posted by kakee
No, VDV actually started the game. Niko came on for modric


think he means while modric is injured

Thanks for correcting me there Keane and sorry to Supersi, i missread your post

everdead.ie

The only reason I could think of for having Bae on the Bench is to rest him for Wednesday Palacios should never of started modric and Tom should of started in the middle with BAE or Bassong as left full IMO crouch I think was also being rested I would of liked vdv to be subbed for Keane around the 70 minute Mark as he isn't match fit either.
I thought Kabouls runs from defines opened things up a bit and was glad he was there to shore things up

kakee

I can't quite put my finger on it but something just isn't right at spurs at the moment. I wonder is Harry starting to lose the dressing room a bit. Certain players probably realise that they are not wanted anymore, robbie is one and I am sure that maybe Bassaong, Pav and Krankjar feel the same. Of course there are others who aren't even close to getting in the squad let alone the team.
These lads know that what ever they do in training during the week, they most likely won't be involved come match day barring injuries to others. If they do play then as soon as the other players are fit they are out of the team. So perhaps they don't give 100% in training (I know they are professionals and this is their job) and this may be having a bad effect on the squad as a whole really.
I think if Harry likes a player he is 100% behind them but if he doesn't like a player he will treat them like crap.

Dublin Spur

therecklessone wrote: »

Redknapp is trying to ruin the best left sided midfield player in the English game.

Com'on mate, he's not trying to ruin any of our players or any of our positions. Why would he ?

Bale was at LB today to accomadate VDV, this was a gamble in its self and I don't think it worked out, but Redkanpp did not do it because he's trying to ruin our chances or winning a game of football.

With all due respect, that accusation is crazy.

therecklessone

Dublin Spur wrote: »

Com'on mate, he's not trying to ruin any of our players or any of our positions. Why would he ?

Bale was at LB today to accomadate VDV, this was a gamble in its self and I don't think it worked out, but Redkanpp did not do it because he's trying to ruin our chances or winning a game of football.

With all due respect, that accusation is crazy.

Protect VDV?

VDV played in place of a 2nd striker Shane, I fail to see how he needed protection by putting our most effective wide player further back the field.

"His [Bale's] confidence is sky high – he's become an amazing player. I think he will be [as good as Ashley Cole]. Ashley is fantastic. He started as a left-winger at Arsenal and he's ended up at left-back, and this kid's the same. If he's going to be the best anywhere, I think it'll be from left-back. I've got Benoît [Assou-Ekotto], who does well for me there. But in the long term, it's all in front of [Bale at left-back]."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/23/stoke-city-tottenham-hotspur-premier-league

Hatch99

therecklessone wrote: »

Right, home an hour later than I'd hoped cos the taxi man never showed when I got back to Dublin Airport, lovely way to finish off a sh1te day.

Where does one start?

Team selection...

Harry you fúcked it up (again). Bale at LB? The wrong forward on his own up top? Gallas unfit yet played (albeit to give him game time before Tuesday, but what must Bassong think being 5th choice?)

Substitutions and tactical changes...

Modric off should have resulted in Bale to LM and Ekotto on at LB, Niko is too slow to play the wing. Palacios should have been off, we were a man down all game because of his lapses. Keane for Pav should have happened much earlier.

Performances...

Palacios was woeful, we know he can't pull off the defence splitting pass but he couldn't even manage 2yds today. I counted 3 completed passes from him all game. His tackling was awful as well, the amount of times he missed tackles was worrying. I suspect he was picked to provide cover for Gallas and Kaboul, but he failed at that task and when away from home we need to retain possession, not rely on winning it back (he could do neither today). Pavlyuchenko seems to have gone back into his "can't be arsed" routine, threw himself to the ground at every opportunity, made no effort, no movement, just shocking in general. Corluka was his usual lackadaisical self. Gallas is unfit and showing signs of rustiness, and was partially at fault for the goal. Cudicini only looked good because of the couple of saves at the end.

Aaron Lennon had a stinker, he is completely devoid of confidence and the only way he will get it back is if Bale is playing LM which stretches opposition midfields/defences and allows Lennon space to work with on the other side.

Kaboul, Thudd, Bale and VDV all played well for most of the game, VDV looks like he might be a very handy player once he's bedded in.

Keane and Crouch weren't on long enough to assign any real blame for the performance.

Harry Redknapp...

If Martin Jol served up a performance like that he'd be slaughtered. I don't care who he signs, but the talk before the game of making Gallas captain to put us fans in our place was disgraceful.

I said at the end of last season, our biggest performances came on the back of injuries which forced Redknapp's hand on team selection, and that when he has options available his judgement can be questionable. It was very questionable today. Redknapp is trying to ruin the best left sided midfield player in the English game by paying him at LB, and he is upsetting the team dynamic by doing so. Furthermore, he has allowed his ego re. Robbie Keane cloud hid judgement recently, and with Defoe out for two months we cannot afford to indulge that any longer.

Managers live or die on their ability to change a game...where was our change today? Redknapp eschews modern tactical thinking, well it's about time he embraced it because he isn't showing any talent for identifying how to break down stubborn teams. West Brom with all due respect are a poor side, and we made them look good today.

I hate to think what Wolves will be like.

From what I saw, thats a very accurate summary.

Bale has always played his best football for us at left midfield, why dont we utilise that and make the most of such a rare asset. If Harry doesn't trust BAE , well why didn't he buy a left full so that our best assest can play were most effective.

We all raved about Palacios when he first played in that North London Derby at the lane. We thought we had a gem, how things have changed. I hope it is just a poor run of form, rather than his true colours shining through. He cant seem to tackle or pass at the minute

Lennon really annoys me. Great pace, great ability to go past a player and put in a decent ball(sometimes), but he just never seems bothered. Always sauntering around looking like he'd rather be somewhere else. He needs a serious kick up the hole.

Very good point, re Keane. Is the team suffering because of Harrys ego ? As you know I didn't agree with what Keane done, but how he is being treated is a pisstake. Harry is being a cnut on this issue imo.

And as for the making Gallas captain quotes, fcuk off Harry.

Crap start to the season. Points dropped against WBA and Wigan, 1 from 6 to be precise, worrying.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I'm seriously concerned, and more importantly Harry is being a bit of a cnut for my liking.

mickman

there is trouble at the lane, as another poster said "something isnt quite right". we will see tuesdday night now in germany, if they put in a top class performance then we are obviously going to be the kind of team who gets a run in the champs league and falls apart in the league. if we play crap then there are serious problems.

lennon got almost no ball yesterday due to all the play going through the middle.

bale - yes he is better LM but he was still our best player yesterday and embarrased their whole right side

pav - waste of time and effort, an absolute ape of a man. i actually despise him and hate to see him putting on a spurs jersey

wilson - sell now for 7-8 million. jenas should have played yesterday , he seems another one that harry wont give a chance to.

no way was he keeping ekotto for tues night, he is a very fit player and can play twice a week no probs. i think he was dropped cos he hasnt had the best start to his season and harry was trying to accomodate playing modric and vdv together

the only light at the end of the tunnel here is that while we are messing around with formations etc and trying to get it right, we arent losing (except for wigan of course)

keane=cock

any news on modric?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Think therecklessone is being a bit too critical, almost dunphy-esque. Agree that Bale should have moved to LM and Palacios should have made way (for Crouch). Thought Keane was shocking when he came on. It seems to me that the only thing he does off the ball is give out and bítch about everything, get on with it ffs. Only brought on because there was no one else. We need another quality striker and Harry should have made a move for Fabiano and shipped out Keane. I think the only reason he didn't was because he wanted to lose his reputation of a "wheeler-dealer".

therecklessone

THFC wrote: »

Think therecklessone is being a bit too critical, almost dunphy-esque. Agree that Bale should have moved to LM and Palacios should have made way (for Crouch). Thought Keane was shocking when he came on. It seems to me that the only thing he does off the ball is give out and bítch about everything, get on with it ffs. Only brought on because there was no one else. We need another quality striker and Harry should have made a move for Fabiano and shipped out Keane. I think the only reason he didn't was because he wanted to lose his reputation of a "wheeler-dealer".

Two things:

1. Can you clarify where I'm being too critical please?

2. We made our move for Fabiano, and Sevilla and his wage demands priced us out of the market.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

therecklessone wrote: »

Right, home an hour later than I'd hoped cos the taxi man never showed when I got back to Dublin Airport, lovely way to finish off a sh1te day.

Where does one start?

Team selection...

Harry you fúcked it up (again). Bale at LB? The wrong forward on his own up top? Gallas unfit yet played (albeit to give him game time before Tuesday, but what must Bassong think being 5th choice?)

Substitutions and tactical changes...

Modric off should have resulted in Bale to LM and Ekotto on at LB, Niko is too slow to play the wing. Palacios should have been off, we were a man down all game because of his lapses. Keane for Pav should have happened much earlier.

Performances...

Palacios was woeful, we know he can't pull off the defence splitting pass but he couldn't even manage 2yds today. I counted 3 completed passes from him all game. His tackling was awful as well, the amount of times he missed tackles was worrying. I suspect he was picked to provide cover for Gallas and Kaboul, but he failed at that task and when away from home we need to retain possession, not rely on winning it back (he could do neither today). Pavlyuchenko seems to have gone back into his "can't be arsed" routine, threw himself to the ground at every opportunity, made no effort, no movement, just shocking in general. Corluka was his usual lackadaisical self. Gallas is unfit and showing signs of rustiness, and was partially at fault for the goal. Cudicini only looked good because of the couple of saves at the end.

Aaron Lennon had a stinker, he is completely devoid of confidence and the only way he will get it back is if Bale is playing LM which stretches opposition midfields/defences and allows Lennon space to work with on the other side.

Kaboul, Thudd, Bale and VDV all played well for most of the game, VDV looks like he might be a very handy player once he's bedded in.

Keane and Crouch weren't on long enough to assign any real blame for the performance.

Harry Redknapp...

If Martin Jol served up a performance like that he'd be slaughtered. I don't care who he signs, but the talk before the game of making Gallas captain to put us fans in our place was disgraceful.

I said at the end of last season, our biggest performances came on the back of injuries which forced Redknapp's hand on team selection, and that when he has options available his judgement can be questionable. It was very questionable today. Redknapp is trying to ruin the best left sided midfield player in the English game by paying him at LB, and he is upsetting the team dynamic by doing so. Furthermore, he has allowed his ego re. Robbie Keane cloud hid judgement recently, and with Defoe out for two months we cannot afford to indulge that any longer.

Managers live or die on their ability to change a game...where was our change today? Redknapp eschews modern tactical thinking, well it's about time he embraced it because he isn't showing any talent for identifying how to break down stubborn teams. West Brom with all due respect are a poor side, and we made them look good today.

I hate to think what Wolves will be like.

Admittedly I only saw the second half live and had to catch the highlights of the first half, but Palacios wasn't that bad. He was probably our worst player but he defo completed more than 3 passes all game.
Harry didn't fúck it up. He picked a decent formation, not the best, but the players didn't play after Modric left the field.
Pav was bad, not that bad.
Cudicini got us the point and saved us from the humiliation of losing to WB.
The Keane Crouch comment you made (highlighted) seems to imply that you are looking for people to blame rather than them giving you reasons. And that Redknapp comment is down-right ridiculous. How you could accuse any manager, let alone Harry, of trying to ruin one of our best players is simply beyond me. Ridiculous.

therecklessone

THFC wrote: »

Admittedly I only saw the second half live and had to catch the highlights of the first half,

Forgive me if I seem a bit dismissive, but I think I had a slightly better viewpoint 20 rows back from the goal (we defended 1st half) for the full 90mins.

THFC wrote: »

but Palacios wasn't that bad. He was probably our worst player but he defo completed more than 3 passes all game.

I'll quote a mate who was at the game with me:

"Palacios is playing that bad I'd have Jenas on for him, and I fúcking hate Jenas, so that's saying something about how bad Palacios is..."

THFC wrote: »

Harry didn't fúck it up. He picked a decent formation, not the best, but the players didn't play after Modric left the field.

Bale at LB was a fúck up. Pavlyuchenko up front on his own was a fúck up. And if the players weren't playing after Modric left the field why did the manager not change things around?

BAE for Modric, Bale into LM.
Jenas for Palacios.
Crouch for Pav.

Job=oxo.

THFC wrote: »

Pav was bad, not that bad.

He was fúcking atrocious. How many shots on target did he manage?

THFC wrote: »

Cudicini got us the point and saved us from the humiliation of losing to WB.

And should have done better for their goal.

THFC wrote: »

The Keane Crouch comment you made (highlighted) seems to imply that you are looking for people to blame rather than them giving you reasons.

No, it highlights that by the time both players were introduced we were out of ideas and I don't think either can bear any responsibility for failing to change our fortunes.

THFC wrote: »

And that Redknapp comment is down-right ridiculous. How you could accuse any manager, let alone Harry, of trying to ruin one of our best players is simply beyond me. Ridiculous.

His stated position is that Bale will be a LB, IMHO that will ruin the lad and rob us of a very potent attacking option in the process. It will also mean that Lennon is our only wide option in midfield, and he is suffering from bearing that responsibility at the moment.

It is no coincidence that we played Arsenal and Chelsea off the park last year with Bale on the left and Modric central.

marty2002

THFC wrote: »

Admittedly I only saw the second half live and had to catch the highlights of the first half, but Palacios wasn't that bad. He was probably our worst player but he defo completed more than 3 passes all game.
Harry didn't fúck it up. He picked a decent formation, not the best, but the players didn't play after Modric left the field.
Pav was bad, not that bad.
Cudicini got us the point and saved us from the humiliation of losing to WB.
The Keane Crouch comment you made (highlighted) seems to imply that you are looking for people to blame rather than them giving you reasons. And that Redknapp comment is down-right ridiculous. How you could accuse any manager, let alone Harry, of trying to ruin one of our best players is simply beyond me. Ridiculous.

Yes he was, the man was woeful, im sick watching Palacios give the ball away by trying passes that will never come off, its starting to be a regular thing in every game he plays.

everdead.ie

I actually think O'Hara can do a better job in CM then palacios he really has been terrible for the past 6 months at least O'Hara can pick a pass

keane=cock

everdead.ie wrote: »

I actually think O'Hara can do a better job in CM then palacios he really has been terrible for the past 6 months at least O'Hara can pick a pass

fair point!!

mickman

O hara won't be back for ages

Reckless is obviously very bitter about what went on sat. As he says he was at the match so wud have seen a lot more of pavs and wilsons pathetic play .

Modric has been cleared thank god so that's something good at last. I don't agree that Harry made a complete balls of it though. If he played bale at LM where wud he have played hudd, vdv and modric ?

mickman

I defo agree though that pav can't play up front on his own. He just dosent have it in him . Crouch will b far better in that role tues night

Bale is out top scorer in the league with 2 goals. That says it all really

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

Reckless is obviously very bitter about what went on sat. As he says he was at the match so wud have seen a lot more of pavs and wilsons pathetic play .

At the game or not mate, it's easy to see when a fella is having one..

mickman

Hatch99 wrote: »

At the game or not mate, it's easy to see when a fella is having one..

True :-) I slagged off keane last week and he got very upset . He has slated many players in the posts above .

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

True :-) I slagged off keane last week and he got very upset . He has slated many players in the posts above .

Listen we all slate players throughout the season, anyone who says they dont is lying. What annoys me most is when they saunter around not putting in the effort looking like they'd rather be elsewhere which the likes of Pav, Lennon and a few more have been guilty of plenty of times.

BERBA

Chri$t lads, the slating Palacios is getting is unreal , the bloke has had a hard 12 months losing his brother and all that, way over the top recklessone whether 20 rows back from the pitch or not. Its the defending of keano that puzzles me? he did fcuk all again when he came on sat except his famous waving his hands in the air bull$hit , that gets up me wick bigtime. Time we shipped him off to Celtic again imo:D

Dublin Spur

I'm genuinely worried above Palacios's form.
He's been in a slump for nearly a year now.
I really want him to come good again because I like him a lot.
Have to admit that I'm starting to get a little impatient with him now.
He's starting to become a liability.

therecklessone

mickman wrote: »

Reckless is obviously very bitter about what went on sat.

Not bitter at all, I don't bear grudges as a Spurs fan as those who know me in person can attest to. It's one of the reasons I think I'm capable of taking the rough with the smooth, the wins with the losses, with good grace rather than yo-yoing from high to low all the time.

mickman wrote: »

I don't agree that Harry made a complete balls of it though. If he played bale at LM where wud he have played hudd, vdv and modric ?

Line-up at home to City:

Gomes
Corluka
King
Dawson
BAE
Lennon
Hudd
Modric
Bale
Crouch
Defoe

VDV replaces one of the 2 strikers, and we retain a 4-4-1-1 formation. It's West Brom away ffs, they will not hold possession like a European side (Young Boys or better) so we don't have to worry about having a bit of muscle in the middle. If we want work rate then play Jenas instead of Modric and leave Luka until Tuesday night.

mickman wrote: »

True :-) I slagged off keane last week and he got very upset . He has slated many players in the posts above .

I see you're still struggling with the basics...let me recap: you abused a Spurs player, I objectively criticised their performances.

Example: I think you are a cúnt vs I think your assessment of my posts is flawed.

That make sense?

BERBA wrote: »

Chri$t lads, the slating Palacios is getting is unreal , the bloke has had a hard 12 months losing his brother and all that, way over the top recklessone whether 20 rows back from the pitch or not.

Are you suggesting my assessment of his performance is wrong? What did he do right in your opinion?

therecklessone

Dublin Spur wrote: »

I'm genuinely worried above Palacios's form.
He's been in a slump for nearly a year now.
I really want him to come good again because I like him a lot.
Have to admit that I'm starting to get a little impatient with him now.
He's starting to become a liability.

Think back to his debut Shane, we were crying out for somebody to break up opposition play and he managed to do that in a manic 90mins vs the Goons. I think we all fell for his enthusiasm that day, but he's never been a great passer of the ball, and now that he's missing tackles in the middle we're starting to see him in a less flattering light I think.

I don't think he'll ever gain the ability to pick out players with a ball so his best starting position is on the bench with a view to introducing him to shore up things if we're trying to defend a lead.

mickman

therecklessone wrote: »

Not bitter at all, I don't bear grudges as



I see you're still struggling with the basics...let me recap: you abused a Spurs player, I objectively criticised their performances.

your not bitter?, come on man, you earlier posts are full of anger.

and im not not struggling with any basics , i criticised a spurs players actions off the field which have directly impacted his place in the spurs team as is plain to see yet you keep defending him and blaming harry redknapp!!

therecklessone

mickman wrote: »

your not bitter?, come on man, you earlier posts are full of anger.

and im not not struggling with any basics , i criticised a spurs players actions off the field which have directly impacted his place in the spurs team as is plain to see yet you keep defending him and blaming harry redknapp!!

I assure you my posts related to Saturday's game bear no bitterness or anger towards our players or manager. Like I said, I objectively assess the situation and comment as such. You have my word on that.

As for continuing this discussion re. our differing approaches to discussing the club, I'm sure everybody else is sick of it at this stage so if you have anything further to add please do so by PM and leave the match thread for what it is intended.

mickman

therecklessone wrote: »

I assure you my posts related to Saturday's game bear no bitterness or anger towards our players or manager. Like I said, I objectively assess the situation and comment as such. You have my word on that.

As for continuing this discussion re. our differing approaches to discussing the club, I'm sure everybody else is sick of it at this stage so if you have anything further to add please do so by PM and leave the match thread for what it is intended.

agreed

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

agreed

Bout bleedin time lads

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

therecklessone wrote: »

Forgive me if I seem a bit dismissive, but I think I had a slightly better viewpoint 20 rows back from the goal (we defended 1st half) for the full 90mins.

Very hard to properly analyse a game from the stands especially when in a lower tier at one of the goal-ends.

therecklessone wrote: »

I'll quote a mate who was at the game with me:

"Palacios is playing that bad I'd have Jenas on for him, and I fúcking hate Jenas, so that's saying something about how bad Palacios is..."

Well, that proves your point.

therecklessone wrote: »

Bale at LB was a fúck up. Pavlyuchenko up front on his own was a fúck up. And if the players weren't playing after Modric left the field why did the manager not change things around?

Bale was our best player! And Harry only had two subs left, both of which he used.

therecklessone wrote: »

His stated position is that Bale will be a LB, IMHO that will ruin the lad and rob us of a very potent attacking option in the process. It will also mean that Lennon is our only wide option in midfield, and he is suffering from bearing that responsibility at the moment.

In your opinion? Well thats grand. But dont go around accusing our most successful manager in decades of trying to ruin one our best players. He's played Bale at LM more times than LB this season, including our most important match to date against YB.

therecklessone wrote: »

It is no coincidence that we played Arsenal and Chelsea off the park last year with Bale on the left and Modric central.

Yeah and in the two away games at Man United and Burnley we lost with the same formation.

therecklessone

THFC wrote: »

Very hard to properly analyse a game from the stands especially when in a lower tier at one of the goal-ends.

But easier than relying on a highlights reel for half the match.

And if you were paying attention on Saturday you'd know the Hawthorns is made up of single tier stands...

In your opinion? Well thats grand. But dont go around accusing our most successful manager in decades of trying to ruin one our best players. He's played Bale at LM more times than LB this season, including our most important match to date against YB.

In his own words Bale will be a LB. And which was the most important YB game, home or away? Cos Modric missed the home tie with injury which helps make the decision on where Bale starts.

Yeah and in the two away games at Man United and Burnley we lost with the same formation.

Bale played LB vs Man United to allow Palacios back into the side.

Hatch99

Lads, we/you can argue all day and night, and trust me I love a good football argument, but we are all entitled to our opinions on players/manager and formations etc. And nobodys opinion is any more important than the others just because they were at the game or watched it live on tv.

Bale, from what I have seen so far will be a LM, although I think you will get away with him at LB in home games or against poor sides away from home as you will more than likely have more of the ball.

I dont think he is strong enough at the moment to be considered at left back in big away games, and that was proved at OT last season.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

therecklessone wrote: »

But easier than relying on a highlights reel for half the match.

Point taken, but I still watched the second half and a lot of the first.

therecklessone wrote: »

And if you were paying attention on Saturday you'd know the Hawthorns is made up of single tier stands...

And did I say it wasn't? Was saying the lower tier because I didn't want anyone contradicting me as (IMO) games are easier to analyse from upper tiers than from TV.

therecklessone wrote: »

In his own words Bale will be a LB. And which was the most important YB game, home or away? Cos Modric missed the home tie with injury which helps make the decision on where Bale starts.

In who's own words? Because Harry seems very fond of playing him at LM.

therecklessone wrote: »

Bale played LB vs Man United to allow Palacios back into the side.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/23/squad-sheets-manchester-united-tottenham-hotspur

Besides its not about any of the above arguments that I'm "debating" with you. Its the fact that you were far too critical of the players, as pointed out by other posters. Next thing you'll be booing them when ever they don't perform like the English supporters...