Florida Pastor plans to burn Korans.

SV

qwertplaywert wrote: »

Ireland has faced the same amount of attacks from Christian extremists as it has from Islamic extremists.,...

Erm, ok?
That doesn't change the fact that Ireland is a legitimate target.
Whether we've faced any attacks at all is irrelevant.


Anyway, yer man doing this is a sap.
There's no point behind it other than to demonstrate his hatred for Muslims.

WindSock

WindSock wrote: »

But it's just a book though.

Burning books is what people did in the dark ages. No book should ever be burned. Ever.

Augmerson wrote: »

The whole thing, building a Mosque close to the site of the World Trade Centres,

I quoted this post to direct you towards the Charlie Brooker piece Rosco has linked 2 posts above but he beat me to it. Read it.

Killer Wench wrote: »

Agreed. This guy does not represent the typical American pastor. The stories of churches reaching out to Muslims don't get played on CNN or MSNBC.

Nijmegen wrote: »

Nutjob wants to burn Korans.

Media gives him attention.

Other nutjobs begin burning flags in protest.

This has been blown out of all proportion by the media because its sensationalist "news". For every self-aggrandising freak like this fool, there are 100 others who treat muslims well, just like for every kiddy-fiddler in a white collar there's 100 others out helping the homeless etc. but these don't get any coverage 'cos its not sensationalist.

Whether he burns the book or not, his message of hatred has been received loud and clear by the nutjobs on the other side of the world and will simply spur them on to more flag burnings/embassy lootings/soldier stonings etc.

Dravokivich

metaoblivia wrote: »

The mayor of Gainesville (whom the church protested against during his campaign because he's openly gay) is holding something of an anti-book burning gathering the day before along with several other churches, synagogues and local religious leaders.

I can imagine it now...

Piling up books.. standing around looking at them and cheering...

:pac:

Terry

I say that we get a load of Korans, Bibles, American flags, Irish flags, Crescent moon flags and Israelis flags, pile them all up and burn the lot.
Then wave some signs with slogans such as "Go and fúck yourselves, you fúcking lunatics".

Stercus Accidit

Dravokivich wrote: »

I can imagine it now...

Piling up books.. standing around looking at them and cheering...

:pac:

Quiet, this is a library...

baldbear

This reminds me of the time when the Nazis burned books in Germany.

("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

Terry

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Nazis yet.

<inserts book burning reference>

baldbear wrote: »

This reminds me of the time when the Nazis burned books in Germany.

("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

Yay.

Laserhead

I really wish the media understood the phrase "don't feed the troll"...

Seaneh

Seaneh wrote: »

Muslims would never burn the Bible, they consider it a Holy book in their religion. Islam is a Judeo-Christian in it's roots.

They believe that the Tawrat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospels) are the word of God but that parts of the texts have been corrupted.

Does it matter? They're all as crazy as each other. Islam just takes it one step further by saying 'convert or die'. Lunatics.

irishconvert

Deleted User wrote: »

Islam just takes it one step further by saying 'convert or die'. Lunatics.

Erm, no it doesn't.

Ash.J.Williams

I would love to back up a lorry load of bibles and tip them into the fire and sit back and wait for them to notice....

SV

irishconvert wrote: »

Erm, no it doesn't.

Erm, it kinda does.
"I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship other than Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer, and pay zakat, and if they do this, then their blood and money shall be protected from me, except by an Islamic right, and their account will be with Allah."

irishconvert

SV wrote: »

Erm, it kinda does.
"I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship other than Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer, and pay zakat, and if they do this, then their blood and money shall be protected from me, except by an Islamic right, and their account will be with Allah."

I think that quote needs to be put into context (BTW it's not from the Qur'an). The Qur'an sets out clear rules and outlaws killing of innocent people. Also, "There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has been made clearly distinct from error. Therefore, whoever renounces ‘Tãghüt’ (forces of Shaitãn) and believes in Allah has grasped the firm hand-hold that will never break. Allah, Whose hand-hold you have grasped, hears all and knows al" - Qur'an 2:256

Morlar

baldbear wrote: »

This reminds me of the time when the Nazis burned books in Germany.

("Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.")

After the war the allies burned more books during the de-nazification period than the nazis originally did. Book burnings were commonly carried out by communists and even america had book burnings into the 1950's.

Bjorn Bored.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I would love to back up a lorry load of bibles and tip them into the fire and sit back and wait for them to notice....

:D:D classic!

WindSock

Deleted User wrote: »

Burning books is what people did in the dark ages. No book should ever be burned. Ever.

Ya, I don't agree with destroying books. I was just being facetious or something. Still though at the end of the day it is a book. I know what it symbolises to people of faith. I think people ought to take less offense to this type of behaviour, if they did they would be untouchable.
A flag is also just a load of material and dye. What it means to destroy a flag or a book and get offended by it is far less offensive than killing or maiming a person over.

irishconvert

irishconvert wrote: »

The Qur'an sets out clear rules and outlaws killing of innocent people.

'Innocent' has a highly perverted meaning in religion, and it's only in extremely religious nations will you see people being executed for atheism and adultery. Abrahamic texts define an appalling number of 'crimes' which are punishable by death.

Absolutely, 100% batsh!t crazy.

Standard Toaster

Americans need to be burning calories and not the Qur'an ffs.

dr.bollocko

In Ireland the town loon / drunk tends to be ignored. I don't understand why this random idiot and his motley crew of followers aren't similarly treated. Random nutjob wants to burn some books. Some other random nutjob probably just puked on a nun. Random nutjobs exist. Now please lets get on with some real news.

wes

The media needs to stop giving attention to any idiot looking for attention. The likes of this pastor, and other various groups fringe crazies are best ignored. They represent no one, but there own tiny group, and simply don't warrant the attention there getting.

af_thefragile

dr.bollocko wrote: »

In Ireland the town loon / drunk tends to be ignored. I don't understand why this random idiot and his motley crew of followers aren't similarly treated. Random nutjob wants to burn some books. Some other random nutjob probably just puked on a nun. Random nutjobs exist. Now please lets get on with some real news.

That doesn't exist. Its all afternoon, evening and late night family entertainment now.

irishconvert

wes wrote: »

The media needs to stop giving attention to any idiot looking for attention. The likes of this pastor, and other various groups fringe crazies are best ignored. They represent no one, but there own tiny group, and simply don't warrant the attention there getting.

Agreed. People need to be asking themselves why the media are hyping it up so much. Look at the bigger picture people.

PeterIanStaker

This guy is just like Fred Phelps he's a loony looking for attention.

irishconvert

irishconvert wrote: »

Also, "There is no compulsion in religion

Apart from apostasy = death

Terry

WindSock wrote: »

Ya, I don't agree with destroying books. I was just being facetious or something. Still though at the end of the day it is a book. I know what it symbolises to people of faith. I think people ought to take less offense to this type of behaviour, if they did they would be untouchable.
A flag is also just a load of material and dye. What it means to destroy a flag or a book and get offended by it is far less offensive than killing or maiming a person over.

That's just it. They are just symbols.
It's like someone saying I believe in the American flag/ Koran/ Bible/ whatever inanimate object. I believe in them too. I've seen these things and I know that they exist, but they only inanimate objects, and their burning will not cause any physical harm to any Muslims (apart from the ones in the American army, who will face retaliation from equally nutty Afghans).

If they start throw Muslims into the pile of burning books, then there's a problem.

irishconvert wrote: »

I think that quote needs to be put into context (BTW it's not from the Qur'an). The Qur'an sets out clear rules and outlaws killing of innocent people. Also, "There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has been made clearly distinct from error. Therefore, whoever renounces ‘Tãghüt’ (forces of Shaitãn) and believes in Allah has grasped the firm hand-hold that will never break. Allah, Whose hand-hold you have grasped, hears all and knows al" - Qur'an 2:256

Where is innocence clearly defined?
I know that Jews and Christians who worship golden calfs are targets for death from their fellow worshippers.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

In Ireland the town loon / drunk tends to be ignored. I don't understand why this random idiot and his motley crew of followers aren't similarly treated. Random nutjob wants to burn some books. Some other random nutjob probably just puked on a nun. Random nutjobs exist. Now please lets get on with some real news.

wes wrote: »

The media needs to stop giving attention to any idiot looking for attention. The likes of this pastor, and other various groups fringe crazies are best ignored. They represent no one, but there own tiny group, and simply don't warrant the attention there getting.

Shock value sells. Simple as that.

nullzero

Book burning is always a sure road to peaceful reconciliation.
Surely it's his duty as a Christian to forgive these people (a point I'm sure has been made already), what an absolute wally.

homer simpson

The pastor is just on sky news now live saying he is going ahead with the burning (twat) he also says he is getting loads of support but the media don't report that, lol. this guy is just exactly what you expect a redneck inbread fool too look like!

PARARORY

Sarah Palin ;

I don't really understand how we are going to send a message to Al-Qaeda by burning a Korean this weekend, but I'm still totally on board!

http://twitter.com/SarrahPalinU5A

She's a barrel of laughs... follow for sure!

Scuid Mhór

this is an outrage

let's post about it on boards.ie

lol pastor

haha nice post

haha thanks

haha indeed

buzzdroid

irishconvert wrote: »

Agreed. People need to be asking themselves why the media are hyping it up so much. Look at the bigger picture people.

totally agree.. this thing smells to high heaven.

Just guessing here - are there covert Islamists working in the media , sniffing out such stories and then using the gullible western media to hype their cause? Or maybe on the other hand hardline neo-cons pushing for a fight with Iran and this also serves their clash of civilisations cause.

The story is just so overblown (the guy only has 50 members in his church) that that far out theory might have a grain of salt of truth in it.

KeithAFC

wes wrote: »

The media needs to stop giving attention to any idiot looking for attention. The likes of this pastor, and other various groups fringe crazies are best ignored. They represent no one, but there own tiny group, and simply don't warrant the attention there getting.

There is probably a lot of people out there who agree with his burning of the Koran. Say what you want but tiny minority, i don't think so.

Micky Dolenz

KeithAFC wrote: »

There is probably a lot of people out there who agree with his burning of the Koran. Say what you want but tiny minority, i don't think so.

True, but I'll match it with people who want to burn the Bible or (insert religious ethos teachings here)

FionnMatthew

I hope the fallout from the Koran burning stunt will be an exponential escalation of tit-for-tat religious book burnings. As an unaffiliated party, I am nonetheless willing to assist any party in their reprisals, for a small fee.

I might even enjoy it.

KeithAFC

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

True, but I'll match it with people who want to burn the Bible or (insert religious ethos teachings here)

I agree. I wish people would stop saying its a minority etc when it comes to this Bible burning/Koran etc. Its simply not. The amount of people who would have no problem with this at all, it is just not a minority.

Terry

homer_simpson wrote: »

The pastor is just on sky news now live saying he is going ahead with the burning (twat) he also says he is getting loads of support but the media don't report that, lol. this guy is just exactly what you expect a redneck inbread fool too look like!

I guarantee you that he is getting support.
There are more than 50 idiots in America (I will also point out that there are more than 50 idiots in Ireland before the Americans start whining).

The media coverage of this only served to garner more support for this eejit.

buzzdroid wrote: »

totally agree.. this thing smells to high heaven.

Just guessing here - are there covert Islamists working in the media , sniffing out such stories and then using the gullible western media to hype their cause? Or maybe on the other hand hardline neo-cons pushing for a fight with Iran and this also serves their clash of civilisations cause.

The story is just so overblown (the guy only has 50 members in his church) that that far out theory might have a grain of salt of truth in it.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Jeboa Safari

How does everyone think the Muslim world will react? Will they take it that he's just an idiot with minority support, or will there be something similar to the cartoon uproar, or worse?

KeithAFC

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

How does everyone think the Muslim world will react? Will they take it that he's just an idiot with minority support, or will there be something similar to the cartoon uproar, or worse?

Probably behead a few people, threaten a few people.

buzzdroid

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

How does everyone think the Muslim world will react? Will they take it that he's just an idiot with minority support, or will there be something similar to the cartoon uproar, or worse?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/faiths-join-forces-to-condemn-pastors-plan-to-burn-the-koran-20100908-151ax.html


let me be contrarian - but i think the pastor is doing us all a service here.

So, let me get this straight - a guy with a tiny church, threatens to burn korans, and that gets reactions and condemnation from the Pope, Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, Hilary Clinton and even Angelina Jolie (just look on Google News).


Now I ain't a Christian (i'm atheist), but i would guess that this pastor would ask "where were all these people when churches were being burnt out in Malaysia this year?"

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-45233720100107

"(Reuters) - A church in the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur was firebombed early on Friday, gutting the first storey of the building in a residential area, amid a row over the use of the word "Allah" for the Christian God."


or when two churches in Indonesia were burned down earlier this year
" Jakarta (AsiaNews) - A crowd of at least 1000 people burned down two Protestant churches last night in Sibuhuan (district of Padang Lawas, North Sumatra). The blaze was the culmination of tension between the faithful and the local Islamic community, tired of seeing " too many faithful and too many prayers " in a place not registered as a church. "


http://www.asianews.it/news-en/North-Sumatra,-two-Protestant-churches-burnt:-too-many-faithful-and-too-many-prayers-17427.html

And they are just two random examples.

Where were all these world leaders when those events happened?

KeithAFC

buzzdroid wrote: »

http://www.smh.com.au/world/faiths-join-forces-to-condemn-pastors-plan-to-burn-the-koran-20100908-151ax.html


let me be contrarian - but i think the pastor is doing us all a service here.

So, let me get this straight - a guy with a tiny church, threatens to burn korans, and that gets reactions and condemnation from the Pope, Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, Hilary Clinton and even Angelina Jolie (just look on Google News).


Now I ain't a Christian (i'm atheist), but i would guess that this pastor would ask "where were all these people when churches were being burnt out in Malaysia this year?"

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-45233720100107

"(Reuters) - A church in the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur was firebombed early on Friday, gutting the first storey of the building in a residential area, amid a row over the use of the word "Allah" for the Christian God."


or when two churches in Indonesia were burned down earlier this year
" Jakarta (AsiaNews) - A crowd of at least 1000 people burned down two Protestant churches last night in Sibuhuan (district of Padang Lawas, North Sumatra). The blaze was the culmination of tension between the faithful and the local Islamic community, tired of seeing " too many faithful and too many prayers " in a place not registered as a church. "


http://www.asianews.it/news-en/North-Sumatra,-two-Protestant-churches-burnt:-too-many-faithful-and-too-many-prayers-17427.html

And they are just two random examples.

Where were all these world leaders when those events happened?

Good post.

buzzdroid

Terry wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

sorry about that. should have posted that in the relevant forum alright.

was just thinking out loud - the sheer amount of coverage this guy is getting is downright weird. and strange.

zero19

I read the title as Florida Plasterer plans to burn Koreans... I need sleep

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

zero19 wrote: »

I read the title as Florida Plasterer plans to burn Koreans... I need sleep

ive been looking at this thread a few times during the day, but every time I see it on the main page I read koreans instead of koran and I go 'wtf'

winter soldier

a mate of mine wanted to do the same thing as this pastor, but when he went down to Easons to stock up on Koran's he found out they did not have any to sell. so he bought a couple of issues of Kerrang! and burnt them instead.

Donkey Oaty

buzzdroid wrote: »

Where were all these world leaders when those events happened?

The condemnation of these events was only as ignored as the events themselves.

buzzdroid

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

The condemnation of these events was only as ignored as the events themselves.

indeed.. and yet a guy with 50 members in his florida church is picked up by the world media.

doesn't that say something about how news is reported?

Donkey Oaty

buzzdroid wrote: »

indeed.. and yet a guy with 50 members in his florida church is picked up by the world media.

doesn't that say something about how news is reported?

Too right, Buzz, too right.

I'm on your side here.

Terry

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

ive been looking at this thread a few times during the day, but every time I see it on the main page I read koreans instead of koran and I go 'wtf'

You're from Carlow. That you keep misreading the title is understandable.

sock puppet

buzzdroid wrote: »

http://www.smh.com.au/world/faiths-join-forces-to-condemn-pastors-plan-to-burn-the-koran-20100908-151ax.html


let me be contrarian - but i think the pastor is doing us all a service here.

So, let me get this straight - a guy with a tiny church, threatens to burn korans, and that gets reactions and condemnation from the Pope, Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, Hilary Clinton and even Angelina Jolie (just look on Google News).


Now I ain't a Christian (i'm atheist), but i would guess that this pastor would ask "where were all these people when churches were being burnt out in Malaysia this year?"

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-45233720100107

"(Reuters) - A church in the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur was firebombed early on Friday, gutting the first storey of the building in a residential area, amid a row over the use of the word "Allah" for the Christian God."


or when two churches in Indonesia were burned down earlier this year
" Jakarta (AsiaNews) - A crowd of at least 1000 people burned down two Protestant churches last night in Sibuhuan (district of Padang Lawas, North Sumatra). The blaze was the culmination of tension between the faithful and the local Islamic community, tired of seeing " too many faithful and too many prayers " in a place not registered as a church. "


http://www.asianews.it/news-en/North-Sumatra,-two-Protestant-churches-burnt:-too-many-faithful-and-too-many-prayers-17427.html

And they are just two random examples.

Where were all these world leaders when those events happened?

It's because those events happened in Malaysia and Indonesia. No one apart from those who live there is going to care. It's like when France banned burqa's it made headlines whereas if Chile were to ban them it'd barely be mentioned.

Corsendonk

Can we get Joe Duffy to do it for Joe Duffy day?

rgt320q

Probably said before, but how about we turn it into a week-long thing. Burn a different holy book each day of the week. The Koran on Saturday; the Bible on Sunday (bonus points for the Sabbath); the Vedas gets it on Monday; then the Torah on Tuesday etc.

Oh, and free ice-cream for everyone who's book is getting burnt on the day. Everyone gets to be offended but there's ice-cream, so no wars. Yay for equality!