CRP on Rosslare Rail Line

steamengine

corktina wrote: »

what about all the railcars left idling all night? that doesnt waste fuel?

Clearly that's a waste but I was referring to fuel running costs !

Anyway we are discussing the Rosslare line...there is no potential freight on that line (or most other lines)that could be more efficently and quicker moved by rail. Rail can only hope to compete with long distance bulk hauls..you know, factory to port or visa versa and its just a fact of living on a small island that every factory has a port within a very short distance.

Ok, but Navan to Dublin Port would be a short haul.

Wind energy? well Ireland needs its tourism and wind generators on the hilltops ruins the scale and majesty of the scenery.

Indeed but that old Irish saying comes to mind, 'You can't eat the scenery', electrical power is required in the modern world to survive.

Navan ores...how many tonnes per train does that shift? Lets see some figures

You don't need any more figures, - 2 diesel engines hauling the same weight, 1 on an almost frictionless surface, 1 not.

foggy_lad

steamengine wrote: »

Clearly that's a waste but I was referring to fuel running costs !

this has to be taken as a running cost if engines are left running all night! what about wear and tear and depreciation as well as feul used and pollutuin!

Ok, but Navan to Dublin Port would be a short haul.

a short haul in freight terms but it is set up for freight with the rail line going right into the mine and the port!

Indeed but that old Irish saying comes to mind, 'You can't eat the scenery', electrical power is required in the modern world to survive.

yes indeed but it could be produced much cheaper and cleaner using wind power than the dirty expensive nuclear option

You don't need any more figures, - 2 diesel engines hauling the same weight, 1 on an almost frictionless surface, 1 not.

so how much ore is hauled per day/week?

KC61

corktina wrote: »

what about all the railcars left idling all night? that doesnt waste fuel?

What railcars are these?

The 22000s shut down automatically after a certain period.

Cookie_Monster

KC61 wrote: »

What railcars are these?

The 22000s shut down automatically after a certain period.

the rumoured ones

Its 071 locos that are sometimes left running overnight

steamengine

foggy_lad wrote: »

so how much ore is hauled per day/week?

Three or four train loads per day which would take 60 trucks to shift according to the following post and link.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055658316&page=30

Losty Dublin

foggy_lad wrote: »

so how much ore is hauled per day/week?

There are 3 train loads of zinc a day and it's about 800 tonnes a train. They travel 5 days a week and occasionally at weekends or 4 trains per day.

foggy_lad

Losty Dublin wrote: »

There are 3 train loads of zinc a day and it's about 800 tonnes a train. They travel 5 days a week and occasionally at weekends or 4 trains per day.

so each train is only 20 truck loads which is not to bad on the environment considering the quality and effifiency of modern trucks compared to a dirty old locomotive with a two stroke engine belching out smoke and soot all over the countryside.

Losty Dublin

foggy_lad wrote: »

so each train is only 20 truck loads which is not to bad on the environment considering the quality and effifiency of modern trucks compared to a dirty old locomotive with a two stroke engine belching out smoke and soot all over the countryside.

No, each train takes about 50 truckloads off the roads and away from the Dublin docks and streets, not to mention Navan town. That's 1,500 less truck movements a week!!!

Do lorries run on diesel and do they not emit smoke and soot as well?

foggy_lad

Losty Dublin wrote: »

No, each train takes about 50 truckloads off the roads and away from the Dublin docks and streets, not to mention Navan town. That's 1,500 less truck movements a week!!!

Do lorries run on diesel and do they not emit smoke and soot as well?

North Cork wrote: »

http://www.irishtrucker.com/news/news_detail.asp?nid=4931
Ore to be moved by truck

Following the collapse of the rail bridge in Malahide last week, a mining group will be transporting its daily ore output by truck to Dublin Port.



“It will take up to 60 truck trips a day to bring the ore to Dublin Port – that is the equivalent of three to four trainloads. The trucks are heading down the N2 and through the tunnel.” said Kelly.

Story filed on August 27, 2009

where are you getting your figures from? 3-4trainloads = 60truck loads

corktina

Losty Dublin wrote: »

No, each train takes about 50 truckloads off the roads and away from the Dublin docks and streets, not to mention Navan town. That's 1,500 less truck movements a week!!!

Do lorries run on diesel and do they not emit smoke and soot as well?

its a drop in the ocean anyway...have you any better flows you want to tell us about? Perhaps one s being mioved by truck at this time?

Cookie_Monster

what does Tara mines trains have to do with this thread?

Judgement Day

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what does Tara mines trains have to do with this thread?

About as much as most of the other CRAP. :pac:

corktina

well you see Tara mines is the example that always gets quoted in these discussions...that and the timber trains and containers from Ballina. These are the exceptions, is there anyone can give an example of a viable freight flow otherwise? (cue Guinness and Cement being mentioned...)

steamengine

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what does Tara mines trains have to do with this thread?

Let's not forget that the main reason give for the closure of the South Wexford line was the demise of the sugar beet industry, and hence the bulk freight. The irony of this is that last week, in the news, we learned that this industry need not have been closed at all. 'Save the Rail' made the following point, which is correct because significant fuel savings can be made shifting freight and people by rail, provided of course sufficient demand is there. Navan mines is a current example to show just how many HGV's are needed to replace one train, along with the extra fuel costs.

'Save the Rail' - Another point that should be considered is we are SUPPOSED to be reducing CO2 emissions, by taking HGVs off the road and returning to frieght we could manage to reduce it significantly

Losty Dublin

corktina wrote: »

well you see Tara mines is the example that always gets quoted in these discussions...that and the timber trains and containers from Ballina. These are the exceptions, is there anyone can give an example of a viable freight flow otherwise? (cue Guinness and Cement being mentioned...)

It's the only ore freight currently left in Ireland but it's a good example of point to point freight being a solid market and easy to work. Shale worked in Limerick on the same model (rail linked mine to rail linked plant), gypsum from Kingscourt to Platin and Castlemungret and to a lesser extent bulk liquid cement.

The main advantage of rail freight is in shifting massive loads from A to B. Where it loses out is in how goods are got together at A and if they are moved on from point B; it's useless to shift small orders via rail and if they need to be moved on; this is part of the reason why Diageo and liner trade slowed down in Ireland; why move a product by rail when it can go point to point quicker?

Much of the other Irish Rail customer base for heavy freight has gone to the wall for it's own reasons (IFI, Asahi, Bell, Sugar to name a few) and while there are other reasons in the background affecting it, the lack of longer term heavy freight markets in Ireland make selling rail carriage a hard task.

steamengine

Judgement Day wrote: »

About as much as most of the other CRAP. :pac:

Still waiting for another 'Oh Mr Porter video' ! :pac:

Judgement Day

steamengine wrote: »

Still waiting for another 'Oh Mr Porter video' ! :pac:

Never like to disappoint so here's "Oh Mr.Porter" Shunting or Why there's no rail freight in Ireland.

steamengine

Hilarious - thanks JD