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9/11 Attacks

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    #272
    Soveriegn
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    alastair wrote: »
    Any actual evidence of molten steel?


    Stop kidding yourself. Your not doing yourself any favours spouting this crap.


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    #273
    alastair
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    Ok then, let's just agree to disagree.


    Explain the large amount of molten metal pouring out of the building just seconds before the collapse.

    Probably aluminium - but it could be a variety of materials - even plastics.


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    #274
    Soveriegn
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    alastair wrote: »
    Yep. There was lots of molten metal evident at the WTC - primarily aluminium - given that both the plane and building's facade were made of the stuff. - mix with concrete and other debris - meteorite looking lump.


    "like lava" they said. Aluminium is silver, not red.

    It was steel and Iron


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    #275
    alastair
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    Stop kidding yourself. Your not doing yourself any favours spouting this crap.

    I'll take that as a no then?


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    #276
    alastair
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    "like lava" they said. Aluminium is silver, not red.

    It was steel and Iron

    Molten aluminium:

    alum_casting_equipment.jpg
    furnace.jpg
    furnace-2.jpg


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    #277
    Soveriegn
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    Oh ok. The pools of molten steel was from the planes lol. Good man


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    #278
    alastair
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    Oh ok. The pools of molten steel was from the planes lol. Good man

    Once again - there were no pools of molten steel.


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    #279
    Soveriegn
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    Just one question.. Can fire melt an airplane ?


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    #280
    alastair
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    Just one question.. Can fire melt an airplane ?

    It generally does.

    B747-200-Air%20France-Madras.jpg


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    #281
    Brown Bomber
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    From a reputable source:
    "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense," reports Alison Geyh, PhD. "In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
    http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

    I assume you don't view this scientist as stupid?


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    #282
    demonspawn
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    alastair wrote: »
    Molten aluminium:

    alum_casting_equipment.jpg
    furnace.jpg
    furnace-2.jpg

    Link please?


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    #283
    alastair
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    From a reputable source:


    http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

    I assume you don't view this scientist as stupid?

    Not at all - here's what she has to say on the matter:
    I personally saw open fires, glowing and twisted I-beams. I was told, but do not remember by whom, that the workers were finding molten steel.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/dr_alison_geyh.html


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    #284
    demonspawn
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    alastair wrote: »
    Once again - there were no pools of molten steel.

    Are you calling the firemen who were at the scene liars then? If anyone would know what melted steel looks like, it would be a fireman.


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    #285
    Soveriegn
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    alastair wrote: »
    It generally does.

    B747-200-Air%20France-Madras.jpg


    Thanks. Where is the pool of molten aluminium ?


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    #286
    demonspawn
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    MOLTEN ALUMINUM.

    10200401-molten-aluminum-pours-from-crucible.jpg

    http://www.prlog.org/10200401-spring-fever-at-the-crucible.html


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    #287
    Brown Bomber
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    alastair wrote: »
    Not at all - here's what she has to say on the matter:



    http://www.911myths.com/html/dr_alison_geyh.html


    :pac::pac::pac:

    Another retraction then eh?

    How curious...If i didn't know better it would seem like there was some kind of coverup in action :eek:


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    #288
    alastair
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    Link please?

    Just do a google on 'molten aluminium' - there's scores of nice orangey glowing pics to choose from.


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    #289
    namloc1980
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    Just one question.. Can fire melt an airplane ?

    Yup it sure can. It melts at 660 degrees.


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    #290
    demonspawn
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    More molten aluminum.

    chopsaw03_molten.JPG

    http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/chopsaw02.html


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    #291
    alastair
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    :pac::pac::pac:

    Another retraction then eh?

    How curious...If i didn't know better it would seem like there was some kind of coverup in action :eek:

    Or that she had been misinformed. But that can be easily clarified with a link to evidence of molten steel at the wtc. I'm still waiting.


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    #292
    alastair
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    More molten aluminum.

    chopsaw03_molten.JPG

    http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/chopsaw02.html

    You do understand that as all metals cool they lose the nice orangey colour? I wouldn't like to patronise.


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    #293
    demonspawn
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    alastair wrote: »
    Just do a google on 'molten aluminium' - there's scores of nice orangey glowing pics to choose from.

    600_v_1000.jpg

    What in the fu*k would raise the temperature of aluminum in the WTC to 1000 degrees centigrade?

    Can you possibly comprehend how hot 1000 degrees centigrade is?


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    #294
    alastair
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    Are you calling the firemen who were at the scene liars then? If anyone would know what melted steel looks like, it would be a fireman.

    Why?


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    #295
    Soveriegn
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    You are probably wondering why, in this clip, NIST deny that there was molten steel there...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM



    It's because NIST knows that office fires and yes, even JET FUEL can not produce temperatures hot enough to melt steel.

    Given that FACT, we would be sure that something else was used.


    Well, some of us. Others are ostriches :D


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    #296
    alastair
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    600_v_1000.jpg

    What in the fu*k would raise the temperature of aluminum in the WTC to 1000 degrees centigrade?

    You do realise that steel melts at higher temperatures, yes?


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    #297
    af_thefragile
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    Came across some Press TV documentary which were going on about how the 9/11 attackers were all not very muslim at all and were far from extremists...


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    #298
    alastair
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    Soveriegn wrote: »
    You are probably wondering why, in this clip, NIST deny that there was molten steel there...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM



    It's because NIST knows that office fires and yes, even JET FUEL can not produce temperatures hot enough to melt steel.

    Given that FACT, we would be sure that something else was used.


    Well, some of us. Others are ostriches :D

    Where's the molten steel then?


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    #299
    Soveriegn
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    alastair wrote: »
    You do understand that as all metals cool they lose the nice orangey colour? I wouldn't like to patronise.


    It's not cooling, it's still on the heat.


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    #300
    namloc1980
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    demonspawn wrote: »
    More molten aluminum.

    chopsaw03_molten.JPG

    http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/chopsaw02.html

    The aluminium in the WTC from the plane did not exist in a vacuum, it was mixed with melted plastic, glass and other burning materials.


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    #301
    demonspawn
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    Steel with 2.1% Carbon by weight begins melting at 1130 °C (2066 °F), and is completely molten upon reaching 1315 °C (2400 °F). 'Steel' with more than 2.1% Carbon is no longer Steel, but is known as Cast iron. http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/images/FeC.gif

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel#Thermal_properties

    So the fires were hot enough to turn molten aluminum bright red but not hot enough the melt the strongest carbon steel in existence? Is that what you are now telling us?


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