9/11 Attacks

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 9:49pm

Di0genes wrote: »

Molten metal. Not molten steel. That could be motel aluminium.

For once I actually agree with you 100%. It could very well be molten aluminum.

Thermites can be a diverse class of compositions. The fuels are often aluminium, magnesium, calcium, titanium, zinc, silicon, and boron. The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,III,IV) oxide.[1]

Fluoropolymers can be used in special formulations, Teflon with magnesium or aluminium being a relatively common example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 9:51pm

Di0genes wrote: »

Molten metal. Not molten steel. That could be motel aluminium.

Molten aluminium is silver in colour.

So it wasn't aluminium.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 9:55pm

the vastly improbable event that all three buildings collapsed neatly into their own foot print

They didn't

True, they didn't. Huge pieces were blown from the building at high velocities hundreds of feet. Indicative of explosions.

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 9:57pm

Di0genes wrote: »

Yes steel supports weakened by the huge fires.

Huge fires cause by jet fuel, a vast amount of which was ejected out of the other side of the building upon impact creating a massive fireball. Didn't you watch the impacts hundreds of times like everyone else? I'll post a video of them again so you can see how much jet fuel was lost out the other side of the buildings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jIFN3jkJc

Please be some kind to explain to us how much fuel could possibly have been left in the building after that impact. At about 1:00 into that footage, you can clearly see the building collapsing from underneath the impact, as opposed to the top falling first and then pancaking the rest of the structure.

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:01pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

True, they didn't. Huge pieces were blown from the building at high velocities hundreds of feet. Indicative of explosions.

Or of the pressure bearing down from above - the weight of a skyscraper for instance.

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:03pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Please be some kind to explain to us how much fuel could possibly have been left in the building after that impact. At about 1:00 into that footage, you can clearly see the building collapsing from underneath the impact, as opposed to the top falling first and then pancaking the rest of the structure.

No-one knows where the fuel went, or what volumes ended up where - what is certain is that a fireball managed to work it's way right down to the lobby in the case of WTC 2. So the potential for igniting material right through the building existed.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:03pm

Molten steel falling from the tower....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

Looks remarkably similar to this..

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:05pm

Perhaps our experts could tell us what the large amount of molten metal is that is being ejected out of the building just seconds before the collapse. And maybe you could explain why the building began to collapse from the bottom instead of near the impact site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:05pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

Molten steel falling from the tower....

Correction - unknown molten material falling from the tower - it certainly wasn't molten steel.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:06pm

alastair wrote: »

Or of the pressure bearing down from above - the weight of a skyscraper for instance.

Yeah.. near FREEFALL, that means there was no resistance, that means nothing was bearing down on it. It was pulverised.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:08pm

alastair wrote: »

No-one knows where the fuel went, or what volumes ended up where - what is certain is that a fireball managed to work it's way right down to the lobby in the case of WTC 2. So the potential for igniting material right through the building existed.

Lol, it matters not.

It could never burn hot enough to melt steel.

There were pools of molten steel.

Thermate explains that. Fire doesn't :rolleyes:

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:09pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Perhaps our experts could tell us what the large amount of molten metal is that is being ejected out of the building just seconds before the collapse. And maybe you could explain why the building began to collapse from the bottom instead of near the impact site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I

That video clearly shows the building collapsing from the impacted floors - not the bottom. The clue is in the dust erupting from each collapsing floor in turn - where are they first?

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:09pm

alastair wrote: »

No-one knows where the fuel went, or what volumes ended up where - what is certain is that a fireball managed to work it's way right down to the lobby in the case of WTC 2. So the potential for igniting material right through the building existed.

Did you not just see with your own eyes the amount of fuel that was ejected out the side of the building and ignite? No fireball worked it's way down to the lobby, that is ridiculous. An explosion will find the easiest route to release energy, that route would have been out through the thin walls of the towers, not down through hundreds of concrete floors.

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:11pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

Lol, it matters not.

It could never burn hot enough to melt steel.

There were pools of molten steel.

Thermate explains that. Fire doesn't :rolleyes:

There were no pools of molten steel. I don't know how many times this needs to be stated. No molten steel. If you think you've read about some molten steel feel free to post a link.

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:12pm

alastair wrote: »

That video clearly shows the building collapsing from the impacted floors - not the bottom. The clue is in the dust erupting from each collapsing floor in turn - where are they first?

No, that video clearly shows the building collapsing from the bottom and the top of the building being dragged down. The behavior of the smoke coming from the building clearly illustrates this. The building was collapsed from the bottom up, as all controlled demolitions are.

What was all that molten metal pouring out the side of the building before the collapse?

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:12pm

I heard some stupid people say that the explosion/plumes shooting down the building were due to air pressure building up in elevator shafts then popping windows out.

Problem I have with that is....

When the air came out of the shafts.. would it not equalize in the huge office space ?
Or would it maintain it's perimeter and head for a window in a straight line ?

What's your view alaister ?

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:13pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Did you not just see with your own eyes the amount of fuel that was ejected out the side of the building and ignite? No fireball worked it's way down to the lobby, that is ridiculous. An explosion will find the easiest route to release energy, that route would have been out through the thin walls of the towers, not down through hundreds of concrete floors.

The fireball in the lobby was famously documented in the Gédéon and Jules Naudet 911 documnetary - the fireball went down a liftshaft - erupting out in the lobby and burning people alive.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:16pm

Firefighters:
Molten Steel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM

History Channel:

Fire got so hot it melted beams lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:18pm

demonspawn wrote: »

No, that video clearly shows the building collapsing from the bottom and the top of the building being dragged down. The behavior of the smoke coming from the building clearly illustrates this. The building was collapsed from the bottom up, as all controlled demolitions are.

Dunno what to say to that - when you patently choose to ignore the clear video showing collapsing floors above intact lower floors - as they are seen in that video - there's certainly something willful at play.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:18pm

So there was molten steel from melted beams.

Can fire or jet fuel do this ?

No.

So, something else was used.

Any ideas ?

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:19pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

I heard some stupid people say that the explosion/plumes shooting down the building were due to air pressure building up in elevator shafts then popping windows out.

Problem I have with that is....

When the air came out of the shafts.. would it not equalize in the huge office space ?
Or would it maintain it's perimeter and head for a window in a straight line ?

What's your view alaister ?

Soveriegn wrote: »

So there was molten steel from melted beams.

Can fire or jet fuel do this ?

No.

So, something else was used.

Any ideas ?

Alistair ?

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:22pm

Brainy looking guys in suits:

Molten steel and concrete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8

Can fires or fuel do this ?

Nope

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:24pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

Firefighters:
Molten Steel

Well yes, you see both towers had steel foundries located in the basement and this is obviously where all that molten steel came from. :rolleyes:

squod · 09-09-2010 10:25pm

A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:

Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster

There does seem to be endless links to molten steel etc.

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:26pm

alastair wrote: »

Dunno what to say to that - when you patently choose to ignore the clear video showing collapsing floors above intact lower floors - as they are seen in that video - there's certainly something willful at play.

Ok then, let's just agree to disagree.

Explain the large amount of molten metal pouring out of the building just seconds before the collapse.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:26pm

6 weeks later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMLDG87Sak

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:27pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

Firefighters:
Molten Steel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM

History Channel:

Fire got so hot it melted beams lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI

Any actual evidence of molten steel?

demonspawn · 09-09-2010 10:29pm

alastair wrote: »

Any actual evidence of molten steel?

The testimony of FDNY firefighters not good enough for you? Are you saying those men are liars? I should hope not.

You'd get down below and see molten steel......molten steel running down the channelways.

Soveriegn · 09-09-2010 10:29pm

squod wrote: »

There does seem to be endless links to molten steel etc.

Yep, that's coz they used thermate to break the columns. Hence the near freefall speed they fell.

alastair · 09-09-2010 10:30pm

Soveriegn wrote: »

Brainy looking guys in suits:

Molten steel and concrete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8

Can fires or fuel do this ?

Nope

Yep. There was lots of molten metal evident at the WTC - primarily aluminium - given that both the plane and building's facade were made of the stuff. - mix with concrete and other debris - meteorite looking lump.

9/11 Attacks

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