The Pat Kenny Show Thread

Technocentral

Disgusting that schools in 21st century are still pedaling religious nonsense, fairy tales should be kept for home but if people insist on it the parents should pay 100% of the costs with no state funding.

constitutionus

Technocentral wrote: »

Great woman, always straight talking, unpopular with some for that of course.

unpopular with most

thats why no one outside of trinity will elect her to anything.

spank_inferno

Its also an oddity that the HSE pays their rent.

The health service should have no role in doing so.
In doing so its almost impossible to find anyone in that vast organisation to take responsibility for it.

If a rent allowance is to be paid (which it shouldnt be to begin with) It should be paid from the local authority.
Having better local accountability will help residents focus their concerns.

Technocentral

constitutionus wrote: »

unpopular with most

thats why no one outside of trinity will elect her to anything.

Plenty of populist gimps elected as thats what plays best to the masses, someone who speaks the unpopular truth on a load of contemporary issues like Ivana will always find it much more difficult, btw why isn't John Murray on 2fm, inane nonsense. He should take Des Cahill and his drivel with him to.

Yakuza

I would actually be ad idem with IB on a lot of issues, it's just her personality and mannerisms that I can't stand.

efb

constitutionus wrote: »

unpopular with most

thats why no one outside of trinity will elect her to anything.

Yeah especially with Hannifin and the Pro Life brigade drum up hysteria about her robbing babies from people's wombs

Harry Angstrom

I'd love to know how Bacik thinks that religion "permeates" throughout the whole school day. Does she think that teachers are sending out subliminal religious messages during maths class? :rolleyes:

Callan57

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd love to know how Bacik thinks that religion "permeates" throughout the whole school day. Does she think that teachers are sending out subliminal religious messages during maths class? :rolleyes:

I remember from my own school days the indoctrination was all pervasive .. as I remember it we had to say a prayer at the beginning of each class & I'm not talking a million years ago!
It's really only in recent years that I realise how subtle and incidious the indoctrination was and have made efforts to reeducated myself. For the vast majority of people they accept what they are told as children & very few engage in any study or criticism as adults, it's easier to just go with the flow which of course, suits the organised religions nicely. The last thing most religions want is anybody thinking.

P. Breathnach

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd love to know how Bacik thinks that religion "permeates" throughout the whole school day. Does she think that teachers are sending out subliminal religious messages during maths class? :rolleyes:

That's what is intended in primary schools: the curriculum is said to be "integrated".

Harry Angstrom

Callan57 wrote: »

I remember from my own school days the indoctrination was all pervasive .. as I remember it we had to say a prayer at the beginning of each class & I'm not talking a million years ago!
It's really only in recent years that I realise how subtle and incidious the indoctrination was and have made efforts to reeducated myself. For the vast majority of people they accept what they are told as children & very few engage in any study or criticism as adults, it's easier to just go with the flow which of course, suits the organised religions nicely. The last thing most religions want is anybody thinking.

I went to a Christian Brothers' school in the 1980's and we didn't have to say a prayer at the start of each class.
The fact that 80% of parents didn't even bother to give their opinion online could be interpreted that this isn't really an issue for them. Bacik seems to think that if a majority of the 20% who responded are in favour of removing Catholic doctrine/ethos, then that gives them a mandate to impose the changes. I'm glad Pat Kenny pulled her up on this, not that it made a blind bit of difference to her.

JonathanAnon

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd love to know how Bacik thinks that religion "permeates" throughout the whole school day. Does she think that teachers are sending out subliminal religious messages during maths class? :rolleyes:

If I have x loaves of bread and x number of fish, with z number of hungry people .. I dont think the bible obeys the laws of algebra, Harry..

Yakuza

I've no problem that my kids (2 of my 3 are in primary right now) are getting what I'd deem a christian ethos being shown them - have consideration for others and treat people with respect. The fact that both schools are Catholic is down to logistics.

Callan57

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I went to a Christian Brothers' school in the 1980's and we didn't have to say a prayer at the start of each class.
The fact that 80% of parents didn't even bother to give their opinion online could be interpreted that this isn't really an issue for them. Bacik seems to think that if a majority of the 20% who responded are in favour of removing Catholic doctrine/ethos, then that gives them a mandate to impose the changes. I'm glad Pat Kenny pulled her up on this, not that it made a blind bit of difference to her.

I would suggest that what it says is that most parents are apathetic & could care less about religion really, just get the kids through school with as little hassle as possible.

Harry Angstrom

Callan57 wrote: »

I would suggest that what it says is that most parents are apathetic & could care less about religion really, just get the kids through school with as little hassle as possible.

Or maybe they're just satisfied with the current status quo, i.e. if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

Bloody*Mary

Technocentral wrote: »

Great woman, always straight talking, unpopular with some for that of course.

Hmm... wonder what her next 'cause' will be ?

Ireland driving on the right?

No mention of religion in schools?

gay marriage,adoption, gay rights?

Free heroin,coke, hash,cannabis for all, at taxpayers expense.?

Abortion on demand up to any length of time?

Divorce in a day?

Can't understand why the proletariat don't elect this woman

P. Breathnach

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

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Can't understand why the proletariat don't elect this woman

Possibly because so many members of the proletariat mount intemperate attacks on her.

Bloody*Mary

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Possibly because so many members of the proletariat mount intemperate attacks on her.

Maybe maybe, you could have something there.

She certainly has the knack of rattling the ABC punters cages,I'll grant you that.

serfboard

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Possibly because so many members of the proletariat mount intemperate attacks on her.

Maybe they do that because she can take time from her three jobs (two of whom are paid for by taxpayers) to come on the radio and talk about a subject that most people obviously couldn't give a toss about.

P. Breathnach

serfboard wrote: »

Maybe they do that because she can take time from her three jobs (two of whom are paid for by taxpayers) to come on the radio and talk about a subject that most people obviously couldn't give a toss about.

I refer you to my previous response.

RayM

I like Ivana Bacik. She always annoys the right sort of people.

efb

Prayer in the morning, prayer before lunch, prayer after luch, last prayer- and 30-40 mins of RE a day in my time!
(Ordinary bog standard primary- do they still do that?)

Bloody*Mary

RayM wrote: »

I like Ivana Bacik. She always annoys the right sort of people.

:rolleyes:

The people who actually have to pay for the stuff she advocates?:P

RayM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The people who actually have to pay for the stuff she advocates?:P

What's wrong with the stuff she advocates? Would removing religious indoctrination from schools be expensive, for instance? You're not making any sense.

Bloody*Mary

RayM wrote: »

What's wrong with the stuff she advocates? Would removing religious indoctrination from schools be expensive, for instance? You're not making any sense.

Who is going to pay for this stuff.

Conscious I'm straying off topic here, so just reply to that and let's get back on topic.

Harry Angstrom

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

Who is going to pay for this stuff.

Conscious I'm straying off topic here, so just reply to that and let's get back on topic.

Maybe she should hand these proposals to her running-mate Gilmore, or perhaps she doesn't realise that Labour happen to be in government at the moment? (I don't think anybody in Labour realises they're in government at the moment)

RayM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

Who is going to pay for this stuff.

Conscious I'm straying off topic here, so just reply to that and let's get back on topic.

I don't have any objections to any of those things. I'd be happier, for example, paying towards improved public transport, social housing, childcare provision and things that generally make the country a better place, than paying off the massive gambling debts of people who care about nothing other than making an easy profit.

The levels of hatred some people seem to have towards Ivana Bacik (one of the few Irish politicians who actually stands for something) are truly bizarre, and say far more about them than about her.

padd b1975

efb wrote: »

Prayer in the morning, prayer before lunch, prayer after luch, last prayer- and 30-40 mins of RE a day in my time!
(Ordinary bog standard primary- do they still do that?)

What exactly do you expect in a catholic school??

efb

padd b1975 wrote: »

What exactly do you expect in a school??

I expected to be though the 3 'R's not how great a virgin mary was and sing songs about tax collectors :rolleyes:

Technocentral

padd b1975 wrote: »

What exactly do you expect in a catholic school??

Therein lies the problem, they shouldn't be "Catholic school" They should be state run secular places of learning not places pushing ghost stories.

Technocentral

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

Who is going to pay for this stuff.

Conscious I'm straying off topic here, so just reply to that and let's get back on topic.

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