Is Ireland "British"?

gurramok

lugha wrote: »

Do you also get confused with the labels "Irish sea" or "French channel" though these are not exclusively Irish / French?

No humans lives in the Irish sea nor the French channel.

I prefer the name Irish Isles for the name of Ireland and Britain

gurramok

RMD wrote: »

FFS, before jumping to idiotic conclusions do some research. The British Isles are a geographical term for a collection islands off the coast of europe due to the fact that Britain is the biggest island of the 2, it's common sense.

Haha, funny post.

Its a term not invented by the Irish. It ain't recognised by the Irish govt either.

Mike 1972

gurramok wrote: »

. It ain't recognised by the Irish govt either.

how are they with round earth theory

gurramok

Mike 1972 wrote: »

how are they with round earth theory

Dunno, did you ask them?

Bottle_of_Smoke

The OP is the reincarnation of James Connolly!

If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.

Bottle_of_Smoke

ddef wrote: »

You are an idiot...read what you just said
North AMERICA and south AMERICA.
they are americans.
people from the USA are citizens of the United States of America.
People from Brazil are citizens of Brazil.
They are both AMERICANS.

Heh could see you lasting long in columbia

fionnsda

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Northern Ireland is not "occupied"

really nobody living there then!

Dravokivich

RockinRolla wrote: »

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

Just as the French and the Germans are European...

Minstrel27

Poor trolling attempt by the OP.

Cavehill Red

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Northern Ireland is not "occupied"

Well, it's not British, being part of an entirely separate land mass.
Would you prefer 'British-administrated'?

Cavehill Red

lugha wrote: »

Do you also get confused with the labels "Irish sea" or "French channel" though these are not exclusively Irish / French?

I'm not confused at all. The archipelago is Britain and Ireland (or, if you like, Ireland and Britain.)
The British Isles are places like Wight, Shetland, etc. Those mistaking Ireland for one of the British Isles are the ones suffering confusion.

jebuz

just stop replying to the thread it's what he wanted, oh fiddlesticks I just replied

Fratton Fred

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Only one part of Ireland run by the Brits today.

That's right. NI is relatively autonomous these days and they are making a good job of things.

Down south on the other hand..........:D

In answeer to the OP, the IMF will be running Ireland soon anyway, so it makes no difference.

gurramok

Fratton Fred wrote: »

In answeer to the OP, the IMF will be running Ireland soon anyway, so it makes no difference.

Which is a good thing considering!

And so is the UK in the same boat. Both countries at risk of sovereign default but as we know the UK are starting to cut back severely now.

ejmaztec

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Poor trolling attempt by the OP.

Oh, I dunno, people are still being drawn into the bullsh1t while the OP has sent out for extra pop-corn.

LordSutch

RockinRolla wrote: »

Is Ireland "British"? We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles. If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

Your'e probably deliberately stirring it with this thread, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt for now :cool:

At first glance it seems almost like a silly statement "Is Ireland British" and of course its certainly not 'British' (in the modern post-independent mindset), but then if you dig a little deeper & you look at our 'High Street' culture you may begin to get a different view. We our part of this archipellago which includes the largest island 'Britain', the UK accounts for some sixty one million people out of sixty four million people, with part of this island also in the UK, we all speak the same language (as well as rthe regional languages), we all shop in the same High Street shops, most of us have family connections between the two main islands, and dare I say "We are even part of the Anglosphere", our justice system was inherited from the British system, our geography is to all intents & purposes British, (as in isles), we are but a slightly different shade of British

The Republic of Ireland is a totally seperate entity to Britain , on paper . . . .

buzzdroid

LordSutch wrote: »

Your'e probably deliberately stirring it with this thread, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt for now :cool:

At first glance it seems almost like a silly statement "Is Ireland British" and of course its certainly not 'British' (in the modern post-independent mindset), but then if you dig a little deeper & you look at our 'High Street' culture you may begin to get a different view. We our part of this archipellago which includes the largest island 'Britain', the UK accounts for some sixty one million people out of sixty four million people, with part of this island also in the UK, we all speak the same language (as well as rthe regional languages), we all shop in the same High Street shops, most of us have family connections between the two main islands, and dare I say "We are even part of the Anglosphere", our justice system was inherited from the British system, our geography is to all intents & purposes British, (as in isles), we are but a slightly different shade of British

The Republic of Ireland is a totally seperate entity to Britain , on paper . . . .

Thats actually a fair point. Most Russians and Germans (for example) that i've met, can't tell the difference between "England" and "Ireland" - we're all "British" to them.

I guess its the same as us mixing up Ukrainians with Russians.

KungPao

"British Isles: A geographical term taken to mean Great Britain, Ireland and some or all of the adjacent islands such as Orkney, Shetland and the Isle of Man. The phrase is best avoided, given its (understandable) unpopularity in the Irish Republic. The plate in the National Geographic Atlas of the World once titled British Isles now reads Britain and Ireland."

Love this bit. Trying to be sensitive to the Irish, then foot-in-mouth time as they refer to a country that doesn't exist

Sykes

When they give the football scores of the home nations on the news here in Britain, they give England first then Scotland, then Wales, then N.I and then Ireland.

Personally I'd rather Britain had nothing to do with Ireland.

Ireland is moving away from civilisation and heading into some dark, religious, racist hole dependent on EU subsidy for survival.

Aren't you guys alligning yourself with the Islamic world anyway? I don't think you're with us.

lugha

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm not confused at all. The archipelago is Britain and Ireland (or, if you like, Ireland and Britain.)
The British Isles are places like Wight, Shetland, etc. Those mistaking Ireland for one of the British Isles are the ones suffering confusion.

Now that would be confusing! Whatever you think about the appropriateness of using the term "British isles", it is clear what it refers to, and it most certainly does not refer to the islands of Britain.

And I'm still most amused at your fine quest to persuade folk to call places by the correct name, and then you refer to "the six counties" :pac:

ScumLord

Yes! No! Maybe? And I'll fight any man who says otherwise.

losthorizon

Actually even NI isn't British. Its in the UK but its not British.

Thats what the thread asks.

Is Ireland British ? And the answer is no. It never was either. It used to be in the uk though. Britain is an island.

marco_polo

Coming up after the break, is it six or half a dozen.

Stay tuned folks.

PeterIanStaker

not this Myersian drivel again, yaawwnn.

starlit

No Ireland is not British but just so happens to be included amongst the British Isles 'cause Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales and the Isle of Man including the other Islands around Ireland and Britain are all included as the British Isles.

Son Of A Vidic

How can you possibly question if we're British ffs? Animosity between the UK and Ireland is a thing of the past. If you're questioning the incompetence of our politicians/government? You need to look towards Europe, because the EU runs this country.

GizAGoOfYerGee

Ah, the old British Isles controversy.

This does cause confusion abroad. In Spain anyway, people use "British" to refer to both Britain and Ireland. I have often heard people using "English" and "England" to refer to both islands. In fairness, we all speak English so they just see us as one country, one people.

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losthorizon wrote: »

Actually even NI isn't British. Its in the UK but its not British.

Northern Ireland is in the UK so it is British.

losthorizon

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Northern Ireland is in the UK so it is British.

no, it is a Union of two separate countrys.

For instance during Soviet times people used to refer to anyone to the Soviet Union as Russian. Remember it was the Soviet Union. Its just a simple mistake - nothing more or less. Armenians were Armenias before Soviet times, during Soviet times and and again now.

xflyer

Culturally we're british with a small b. We eat, drink, talk and watch the same TV and quite often foreigners can't tell us apart from the British. Because we still haven't figured out what it really means to be Irish. Most of us only care about our own town, county or parish. We need to be more Irish and questions like this won't be asked anymore.

Wolfe Tone

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's right. NI is relatively autonomous these days and they are making a good job of things.

LOL!

In answeer to the OP, the IMF will be running Ireland soon anyway, so it makes no difference.

I for one welcome our new german overlords.

starlit

Maybe foreigners need a map! Ireland is a big island a country of its own, Britain is a seperate bigger island a country of its own. They will see the difference then surely.

xflyer

snuggles285 wrote: »

Maybe foreigners need a map! Ireland is a big island a country of its own, Britain is a seperate bigger island a country of its own. They will see the difference then surely.

Have you been overseas much? Away from Europe, most of the time people have never heard of Ireland and if they do. They know very little about us. I even met someone living here who really didn't realise we weren't in the UK. Yes, she was a bit stupid. But there you are.

Several times I just gave up and agreed I was British.:rolleyes:

krudler

xflyer wrote: »

Have you been overseas much? Away from Europe, most of the time people have never heard of Ireland and if they do. They know very little about us. I even met someone living here who really didn't realise we weren't in the UK. Yes, she was a bit stupid. But there you are.

Several times I just gave up and agreed I was British.:rolleyes:

Ok Americans thinking we're part of the UK is one thing, but "never heard of Ireland"? thats a bit of a stretch.

Although I did get called a loyalist one time because a guy was demanding his address be printed on his bill in Irish rather than English, which we can do to a point but the counties are just auto set on the billing system as being in English. According to him we "live in an Irish speaking country and you're showing allegiance to the queen by only using her language" errr, no we dont, most Irish people cant more than a few sentences in Irish. He was a mong though.

dasdog

xflyer wrote: »

Culturally we're british with a small b. We eat, drink, talk and watch the same TV and quite often foreigners can't tell us apart from the British.

So you've never mistaken the following?

Austrian/German
Aussie/NZ
US/Canadian
Czech/Polish
Columbian/Argentinian
etc etc etc

Because I have quite a few times. The full Irish breakfeast fry up thing is a fudge as the differences between it and the English and other (British) versions are subtle but I tend to eat mediterranean cuisine mostly. It doesn't make me Spanish/Italian. Half of the world watch US movies/tv shows but that doesn't make them US citizens.

xflyer wrote: »

Several times I just gave up and agreed I was British.:rolleyes:

Perhaps culturally you think you are?

Noffles

Ireland should be more British... would make it a far better place to live!!!

Waits for it....5...4...3...2.......

MRPRO03

For me, Ireland is like a mini Britain, you look are the most developed towns/cities around the country and what do you see, Homebase, Currys, PC World, Tesco etc. The list is endless. If a foreigner came in, they would think they were in Britain. Also, football fans here, guess what, support british clubs aswell. We have lost our identity, you want to live in an Ireland that has everything Irish, but realistically we do not.

HammerHeadGym

Successful troll is successful. However, trolling after hours, with a 'hurr-durr, we all british' is like p1ssing into an ocean of p1ss.

starlit

xflyer wrote: »

Have you been overseas much? Away from Europe, most of the time people have never heard of Ireland and if they do. They know very little about us. I even met someone living here who really didn't realise we weren't in the UK. Yes, she was a bit stupid. But there you are.

Several times I just gave up and agreed I was British.:rolleyes:

Really didn't think that. Thought everyone knew where Ireland was and what Ireland is etc. Ya have been overseas a fair bit. Been to the US and all they talk about is Ireland. Haven't spoken to many foreigners much when abroad but those that I have in France and Spain all knew where Ireland was.

losthorizon

snuggles285 wrote: »

Really didn't think that. Thought everyone knew where Ireland was and what Ireland is etc. Ya have been overseas a fair bit. Been to the US and all they talk about is Ireland. Haven't spoken to many foreigners much when abroad but those that I have in France and Spain all knew where Ireland was.

In France now they even have "irish" shops just selling stuff of whats supposed to be Irish goods. Inside you can get Taytos, Barrys Tea, Jokes about Polish People and other silly stuff which we dont have in Ireland but which foreigners might thing we have. These shops are all over Brittany especially.

AnneFrank

reminds me of a song i like,

"go on home british soldiers go on home
have you got no fing homes of your own
for 800 years we fought you without fear
and we'll fight you for 800 more"

Ireland is not british we are a republic,
i suggest reading some history books

StephenHendry

"The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland,[5][9] where there are objections to its usage due to the association of the word British with Ireland.[10] The Government of Ireland does not use the term[11] and its embassy in London discourages its use.[12] As a result, Britain and Ireland is becoming a preferred description,[10][13][14] and Atlantic Archipelago is increasingly favoured in academia,[15][16][17][18] although British Isles is still commonly employed.[13"


we're irish , we are part of the british isles but we prefer to say britain and ireland instead.

celticbest

snuggles285 wrote: »

Really didn't think that. Thought everyone knew where Ireland was and what Ireland is etc. Ya have been overseas a fair bit. Been to the US and all they talk about is Ireland. Haven't spoken to many foreigners much when abroad but those that I have in France and Spain all knew where Ireland was.

+1.

I always try to wear my Ireland Flag pin badge when away to ensure I not taken as being a Brit or from another native English speaking country. I have never had an issue with anyone confusing me as being English / American etc. once I've stated I'm Irish.

The Term British Isles is England clinging to the last of what was once a great empire, something which they seem to be slowly coming to terms with.

As far as I've seen only maps printed in Britain will ever refer to Ireland & Britain as the British Isles and even this has become less common over the last few years. When I did Geography in School never once was Ireland & Britain referred to as the British Isles & I finished school 16 years ago......;)

Fratton Fred

dasdog wrote: »

The full Irish breakfeast fry up thing is a fudge as the differences between it and the English and other (British) versions are subtle but I tend to eat mediterranean cuisine mostly. It doesn't make me Spanish/Italian. Half of the world watch US movies/tv shows but that doesn't make them US citizens.

I was asked in work what the difference is between a full Englsih breakfast and in Irish one, so I explained that a full Irish breakfast is the same as an English one, but if it was called English, no one in Ireland would eat it.

I may as well told them their kids were ****ing ugly, the reaction I got:D

Oh, white pudding FTW, that's the mkain difference.

celticbest wrote: »

The Term British Isles is England clinging to the last of what was once a great empire, something which they seem to be slowly coming to terms with.

As far as I've seen only maps printed in Britain will ever refer to Ireland & Britain as the British Isles and even this has become less common over the last few years. When I did Geography in School never once was Ireland & Britain referred to as the British Isles & I finished school 16 years ago......;)

err, no, the reality is, England wants rid of the Scots and the Norn Irish, we are fed up paying for them.

oh, is that a Celtic Badge on your sig.....

AnneFrank

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was asked in work what the difference is between a full Englsih breakfast and in Irish one, so I explained that a full Irish breakfast is the same as an English one, but if it was called English, no one in Ireland would eat it.

I may as well told them their kids were ****ing ugly, the reaction I got:D

Oh, white pudding FTW, that's the mkain difference.




err, no, the reality is, England wants rid of the Scots and the Norn Irish, we are fed up paying for them.

oh, is that a Celtic Badge on your sig.....

funny that,
your happy to call them british where sport is concerned,
ie andy murray...rory mcilroy....darren clarke

Fratton Fred

AnneFrank wrote: »

funny that,
your happy to call them british where sport is concerned,
ie andy murray...rory mcilroy....darren clarke

Who?

Wolfe Tone

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Who?

English people don't have white pudding with their fried brekky?

Jayzus.

losthorizon

we dont eat marmite

Donkey Oaty

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was asked in work what the difference is between a full Englsih breakfast and in Irish one, so I explained that a full Irish breakfast is the same as an English one, but if it was called English, no one in Ireland would eat it.

Stena Line ferries to continental Europe have an "English Breakfast", but the Holyhead-Dun Laoghaire route has "The Big Breakfast", with the gimmick being that they charge extra for toast.

Fratton Fred

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

English people don't have white pudding with their fried brekky?

Jayzus.

I know, it's shocking. I love the stuff. It is very difficult to get hold of in England as well. I reckon there is a market for a shop selling nothing but White Pudding, Lyons Tea, Barrys Tea and Cheese and Onion Taytos.

I like a nice coddle as well, but only the way my father in law makes it. The snot and ash he drops in it whilst cooking make all the difference.:D

chops1990

Nah, we're Irish. Hence the name Ireland, it's people Irish. The land across the sea is England, it's people English.