ow- that penalty will hurt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC-gvoZEFM

Ow. That Goalie won't be sleeping well!

Mars Bar

what a tool!

Average-Ro

Brilliant! Love the cocky chest bang when he walks away, all the while the ball is creeping over the line behind him:p

Looks better in slow-mo!

General Zod

is there not a rule during shootouts that the ball is dead once it ceases to move in a forward motion?

Oat23

Gotta love the Moroccan Botola.

What a spoon.

Bukman13

General Zod wrote: »

is there not a rule during shootouts that the ball is dead once it ceases to move in a forward motion?

Yea, I always thought that too. It was the first thing I thought of when I seen this.

Reganio 2

General Zod wrote: »

is there not a rule during shootouts that the ball is dead once it ceases to move in a forward motion?

The ball never stopped so it dosn't matter. Its like hitting the post essentially.

bohsman

Reganio 2 wrote: »

The ball never stopped so it dosn't matter. Its like hitting the post essentially.

It stopped moving forward.

Helix

bohsman wrote: »

It stopped moving forward.

so does a ball that hits the post, comes back, hits the keeper and goes in

but that counts too

Pepe LeFrits

Freddie Ljungberg scored with a 'miss' in a penalty shoot-out for Sweden 4? years ago. Thumped it off the bar, it bounced out, hit the keeper's back and went in. It counted.

larchielads

i watched a local game where it went to a shoot out. the guy had to score or they were out. hit the bar with the penalty the keeper ran off celebrating, the ball went up in the air off the bar hit the ground and rolled in. no one knew what the rule was ref included. i shouted thats a goal the ball never stopped moving but the ref played safe(sh!t himself) and didnt give it. suppose if the refs not sure he cant give it.

TheChrisD

What a tool. If the ball's not dead, it still counts. He just made a really bad parry.

bonerm

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Freddie Ljungberg scored with a 'miss' in a penalty shoot-out for Sweden 4? years ago. Thumped it off the bar, it bounced out, hit the keeper's back and went in. It counted.

Another famous one like that from 1986. It was given
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYI8AjhYZew#t=4m41s

dreamers75

General Zod wrote: »

is there not a rule during shootouts that the ball is dead once it ceases to move in a forward motion?

Only in shoot outs, dunno if the above is a shoot out.

Lukker-

dreamers75 wrote: »

Only in shoot outs, dunno if the above is a shoot out.

It is. No one followed the ball in.

dreamers75

Lukker- wrote: »

It is. No one followed the ball in.

Good spot, then it should have been disallowed.

Dempsey

Anyone have the fifa ruling at hand?

Columbia

The FIFA rules state that "The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward", which is to say that the ball must be kicked forward from a penalty kick, but would not appear to mean that the ball must continue moving forward in order to stay in play.

Exclamation Marc

Columbia wrote: »

The FIFA rules state that "The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward", which is to say that the ball must be kicked forward from a penalty kick, but would not appear to mean that the ball must continue moving forward in order to stay in play.

Yep thats the rule.
There's no such rule that it must stay moving forward. The penalty is dead when the ball is dead, even in a shootout. Although the keeper saved it, he was never in control of the ball (ie he never held the ball) or it never crossed the line, or the ball never came to a standstill.

Paparazzo

General Zod wrote: »

is there not a rule during shootouts that the ball is dead once it ceases to move in a forward motion?

bonerm wrote: »

Another famous one like that from 1986. It was given
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYI8AjhYZew#t=4m41s

The most important thing I learned here is that you can link youtube and get the video to start at the exact time you want! Cool

Helix

dreamers75 wrote: »

Good spot, then it should have been disallowed.

it shouldnt

it that were the case, then a penalty in a shootout which hits the underside of the bar, gains backspin, bounces 6 inches in front of the line and then bounces over would be no goal

the law isnt about things that happen in the same passage as the shot. its not worded particularly well, but its not this kind of situation that its referring to

fullstop

bohsman wrote: »

It stopped moving forward.

By your logic, if a ball hits both posts and goes in it should be disallowed as the ball would not be travelling forward between posts

dreamers75

Helix wrote: »

it shouldnt

it that were the case, then a penalty in a shootout which hits the underside of the bar, gains backspin, bounces 6 inches in front of the line and then bounces over would be no goal

the law isnt about things that happen in the same passage as the shot. its not worded particularly well, but its not this kind of situation that its referring to

Fairly sure if i was sober i would find a youtube video where the exact thing happend and it wanst allowed.

Think it Sheff Wed vs someone in a shoot out, similiar thing but the keeper didnt save it hit the bar bounced about 3 foot out then spun in. ref disallowed it.

Exclamation Marc

dreamers75 wrote: »

Fairly sure if i was sober i would find a youtube video where the exact thing happend and it wanst allowed.

Think it Sheff Wed vs someone in a shoot out, similiar thing but the keeper didnt save it hit the bar bounced about 3 foot out then spun in. ref disallowed it.

That just sounds like awful refereeing.

Le King

Imagine that in a World Cup or Champions League Final? :eek:

Helix

dreamers75 wrote: »

Fairly sure if i was sober i would find a youtube video where the exact thing happend and it wanst allowed.

Think it Sheff Wed vs someone in a shoot out, similiar thing but the keeper didnt save it hit the bar bounced about 3 foot out then spun in. ref disallowed it.

the ref made a balls of it, coz thats a successfully converted peno kick right there

another theoretical one for you, player takes peno, it hits the right hand post and rolls across the line (therefore has stopped moving forward) before hitting the left hand post and going in

end result? goal stands

dreamers75

Helix wrote: »

the ref made a balls of it, coz thats a successfully converted peno kick right there

another theoretical one for you, player takes peno, it hits the right hand post and rolls across the line (therefore has stopped moving forward) before hitting the left hand post and going in

end result? goal stands

I was always of the opinion (assumed it was the rules) that once it stops moving forward it ends (in a shootout).

Also personally fell that only the kicker should be allowed follow it in, in a normal peno. hate seeing keepers save it then some **** tap it in

fullstop

Helix wrote: »

the ref made a balls of it, coz thats a successfully converted peno kick right there

another theoretical one for you, player takes peno, it hits the right hand post and rolls across the line (therefore has stopped moving forward) before hitting the left hand post and going in

end result? goal stands

I just said that a few posts ago.

Leiva

Here's one scenario for you ....

Player kicks a peno , keeper saves with a punch .
Ball heads straight back to peno taker who uses his head to score the rebounded (saved) kick .

Goal or not ?... Defo no goal in my mind.
But in the video there is no second hit by a player . The keeper saved but his save is no different than the ball hitting the post and going in , the ball never stopped.

Reganio 2

mixednuts wrote: »

Here's one scenario for you ....

Player kicks a peno , keeper saves with a punch .
Ball heads straight back to peno taker who uses his head to score the rebounded (saved) kick .

Goal or not ?... Defo no goal in my mind.
But in the video there is no second hit by a player . The keeper saved but his save is no different than the ball hitting the post and going in , the ball never stopped.

If you are talking about in a penalty shootout then its not a goal as their is no rebounds in shootout's, in a game though its allowed.

Paulw

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

• The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward
• He must not play the ball again until it has touched another player

The referee decides when a penalty kick has been completed.

Nothing wrong with that goal, according to the rules.

fullstop

mixednuts wrote: »

Here's one scenario for you ....

Player kicks a peno , keeper saves with a punch .
Ball heads straight back to peno taker who uses his head to score the rebounded (saved) kick .

Goal or not ?... Defo no goal in my mind.
But in the video there is no second hit by a player . The keeper saved but his save is no different than the ball hitting the post and going in , the ball never stopped.

That's just a rebound, which you can't have in a shootout.

Leiva

Paulw wrote: »

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf

• The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward
• He must not play the ball again until it has touched another player

The referee decides when a penalty kick has been completed.

Nothing wrong with that goal, according to the rules.

fullstop wrote: »

That's just a rebound, which you can't have in a shootout.

Then the above rules must be for a peno during 90mins ... Where are the rules just for shootouts ? Anyone .

cournioni

bonerm wrote: »

Another famous one like that from 1986. It was given
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYI8AjhYZew#t=4m41s

Those shorts are criminal.

Paulw

mixednuts wrote: »

Then the above rules must be for a peno during 90mins ... Where are the rules just for shootouts ? Anyone .

I can't find them anywhere on the FIFA website.

I assume they are the same, aside from the player taking the penalty can't touch the ball again, nor can any other player (aside from the goalkeeper).

But, the last part is still valid - that the referee decides when the penalty kick has been completed.

There is no clause that says that the ball motion can only be forward, only that the initial kick must be forward.