Where is Southern Ireland?

moonpurple

number10a wrote: »

But the thing is that it's usually only one bunch of foreigners who use Éire. Ever heard an American or an Australian using it?? We don't go around saying España, Polska or Deutschland now do we? It's only right to say Éire when you're speaking in Irish.

those foreignors are often de inglish, innit?
we are in the euro
the uk is not
we have big links with america who pressed london to get their thugs out in 1922

fck the narrow minded english and their floral dresses, their rudeness their violence their class hate

forget the uk buddy, embrace the world:)

_sparkie_

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"?

when i lived in england i called ireland 'the republic' just seemed to annoy everyone that little bit more.

Mal-Adjusted

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"? Personally I prefer "Free State" as it eloquently highlights the illegitimate nature of the State and the fact that it's not a complete work, if you will.

Otherwise: Kerry, Cork, Limerick, Cllare, and places like those.

Jesus man, go look at a map! you're confusing west for south. They're large sheets of paper with pictures of islands and roads and towns on them, not too hard to find

kraggy

"Southern Ireland" is a major hate of mine.

The most northerly part of Ireland is in the "South". When I lived England, people used to say to me "are you from the north or the south?".

I would reply "neither, I'm from the West".

Cue confused look on their ignorant face...

Also, when I was travelling, I met a so-called educated girl from Scotland who thought that the difference between the North and the Republic was that the North is part of Britain and, though the Republic is not British, it is part of the overall United Kingdom.



There are many British people who don't know that we are actually independent from them. And I mean so-called educated people.

Local-womanizer

Them:"where are ya from?"

Me:"Ireland"

Them:"oh cool,north or south?"

Me:"Err,south"

Them: "cool,where bouts?"

Me:"Donegal"

Them:"Wheres that?"

Me:"North west of the south"

Typical exchange for me with people abroad!

wotzgoingon

deise48 wrote: »

and do chinesse people call it chinesse food or just food

Im Irish and chinese immigrant and i went to live in china with the other thousands to open an irish take away/restaraunt. There is 3 or 4 in every town over here more in citys and big towns of course. We serve all irsh food a big favourite is spuds, cabbage and bacon. The chinese do be talkin to their friends and say im gonna have an irish tonight.

dlofnep

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Them:"where are ya from?"

Me:"Ireland"

Them:"oh cool,north or south?"

Me:"Err,south"

Them: "cool,where bouts?"

Me:"Donegal"

Them:"Wheres that?"

Me:"North west of the south"

Typical exchange for me with people abroad!

That conversation would have gone alot smoother if you had just said the north-west from the start

Luxie

D-Generate wrote: »

It gets on my goat when the country is not referred to as Ireland and is called Southern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or my pet peeve Irish Republic. The BBC in particular are renowned for not referring to Ireland as anything but Irish Republic. Shame they don't recognise the actual name of our country as enshrined in the constitution.

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

Because years ago they tried it, only NI were calling themselves 'Ireland' also, and FIFA made them change to NI and Rep of Ireland.

Is why.

opinion guy

Hibernia anyone ?:D

mathepac

Luxie wrote: »

Because years ago they tried it, only NI were calling themselves 'Ireland' also, ...

Incorrect. The IFA, which now administers Association Football in Northern Ireland, was , prior to partition the original organisation with a 32-county charter. The upstart newbie FAI, claimed to represent "Ireland", which of course they didn't and don't. Now neither does, if you see what I mean

Dravokivich

opinion guy wrote: »

Hibernia anyone ?:D

yeah well... What did the Romans ever do for us????

:mad:

Luxie

mathepac wrote: »

Incorrect. The IFA, which now administers Association Football in Northern Ireland, was , prior to partition the original organisation with a 32-county charter. The upstart newbie FAI, claimed to represent "Ireland", which of course they didn't and don't. Now neither does, if you see what I mean

But, but, but

The Republic of Ireland national football team represents the nation of Ireland in association football. It is run by the Football Association of Ireland and currently plays home fixtures at Aviva Stadium in Dublin, which opened in May 2010.

The team made its debut at the 1924 Olympics, reaching the quarter-finals. Between 1924 and 1936, the team competed as the Irish Free State and from then until 1950, it was referred to by the FAI as Éire or Ireland.[citation needed] In 1953, FIFA decreed that for competitive matches in tournaments that both Irish teams may enter, the FAI team would be officially called the Republic of Ireland while the IFA team was to be named Northern Ireland (The IFA continued to use the name "Ireland" until 1970 for non-FIFA competitions).[citation

number10a

number10a wrote: »

But the thing is that it's usually only one bunch of foreigners who use Éire. Ever heard an American or an Australian using it?? We don't go around saying España, Polska or Deutschland now do we? It's only right to say Éire when you're speaking in Irish.

Yes. I've heard hundreds of Americans using it. And I've also heard plenty of Irish people referring to Koeln, Barthelona, Balenthia, Chee-lay and Napoli. I see people using the foreign spelling/words for cities and countries all over Boards, all the time, and nobody ever corrects those people.

The fact is, it's common sense to assume that when one country is 'North' something, the other is 'South' something. That's how it is 95% of the time. It's really not as stupid or ignorant as you think it is. I am sure that most of you would make the same mistake about another country you had no interest in. It's a very confusing situation. I meet foreigners all the time with work, and very, very few really know exactly what to call what we call Ireland. It doesn't help that many people from Northern Ireland simply say they're from 'Ireland' and the majority of people in Belfast refer to 'down south' even when they're talking about Cavan and RTE refer to 'the north' to mean the Six Counties. Perhaps when Irish and Northern Irish people have sorted out what to call the place, then you can mock English people for being 'ignorant'. :rolleyes:

fergpie

arra sure were all part of the "british isles" anyways... :rolleyes:

xOxSinéadxOx

I'd never heard this before until somebody asked me was I from southern ireland and england? I was like what? ehmm.. well yeah the republic of ireland and they were like so southern ireland?
and then I was like oh no I sound like some dissident republican

starlit

Well I'd say its part of South Kerry, all of Cork and all of Waterford, the South Coastline would be the best indicator. Geographically speaking that is.

Then again people have probably started to refer The Republic of Ireland as Southern Ireland, first I've heard of it.

Amy33

Donegal apparently......

tom morris

ejmaztec wrote: »

Shouldn't Kerry be Northern-South-Western-Southern Ireland?

No KERRY is just KERRY and that's it
so you have Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland, and KERRY

mohawk

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Jesus man, go look at a map! you're confusing west for south. They're large sheets of paper with pictures of islands and roads and towns on them, not too hard to find

Maybe you should look at a map. You will find that that Kerry is west of limerick.

Local-womanizer

dlofnep wrote: »

That conversation would have gone alot smoother if you had just said the north-west from the start

No conversation goes smooth with a Donegal accent I'am afraid....:(

orourkeda

Links234 wrote: »

It makes me wonder if only people outside south korea call it south korea?

You do know that there is a country called north korea too dont you

Sisko

Theres no such country as Southern Ireland.

I'm from Ireland.

opinion guy

Dravokivich wrote: »

yeah well... What did the Romans ever do for us????

:mad:

Well not invade for a start:D:P

Whisko

Sisko wrote: »

Theres no such country as Southern Ireland.

I'm from Ireland.

Im from Derry. Im from Ireland to.

hurleronditch

Whisko wrote: »

Im from Derry. Im from Ireland to.

You are from the island of ireland. The nation 'ireland' covers only the 26 counties, but as someone from northen ireland you are fully entitled to 'irish' citizenship and so, though you are not technically from the country 'ireland', you are a citizen of that country and are 100% correct to call yourself 'irish', and from ireland. but you're not really from ireland. though you are from the island of ireland. and are irish.

easy peasy.........................................ish

Sisko

He's from Northern Ireland and he's Northern Irish. There is such a country as Northern Ireland. Unlike southern Ireland. So yeah, easy peasy.

FreudianSlippers

Weird... I've genuinely never heard or seen this. I only hear the republic (which kind of annoys me anyway)

A Dub in Glasgo

hurleronditch wrote: »

You are from the island of ireland. The nation 'ireland' covers only the 26 counties, but as someone from northen ireland you are fully entitled to 'irish' citizenship and so, though you are not technically from the country 'ireland', you are a citizen of that country and are 100% correct to call yourself 'irish', and from ireland. but you're not really from ireland. though you are from the island of ireland. and are irish.

easy peasy.........................................ish

Where to begin with this... The nation of Ireland covers the island. There is no technically about it

A Dub in Glasgo

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Where to begin with this... The nation of Ireland covers the island. There is no technically about it

No, it doesn't. You can't use an Irish postage stamp in Belfast. If the nation of Ireland covers the island, why isn't this possible? How can anyone possibly expect foreigners to grasp all this when people who live here can't agree?

FreudianSlippers

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Where to begin with this... The nation of Ireland covers the island. There is no technically about it

Article 2

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. Furthermore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage.

Article 3

1. It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory
of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland
shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people, democratically
expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island. Until then, the laws enacted by the Parliament established by
this Constitution shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws enacted by the Parliament that
existed immediately before the coming into operation of this Constitution.


2. Institutions with executive powers and functions that are shared between those jurisdictions may be established
by their respective responsible authorities for stated purposes and may exercise powers and functions in respect
of all or any part of the island.

Article 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

Winty

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"? Personally I prefer "Free State" as it eloquently highlights the illegitimate nature of the State and the fact that it's not a complete work, if you will.

Seems the letter N is missing from the posters name

Scarinae

I had never heard the phrase 'Southern Ireland' until I moved to London for college. I find it really annoying actually. The other day I was posting a parcel to Ireland, when I was having it weighed in the post office the guy told me I should have specified 'Southern Ireland' at the bottom of the address (I had just written 'Ireland') Seriously, it has Dublin written right above it, I don't think Royal Mail are going to send it to Northern Ireland by accident are they?

A Dub in Glasgo

Veronica Tender Kitten wrote: »

No, it doesn't. You can't use an Irish postage stamp in Belfast. If the nation of Ireland covers the island, why isn't this possible? How can anyone possibly expect foreigners to grasp all this when people who live here can't agree?

The nation is more than the state

stoneill

Fishie wrote: »

post office the guy told me I should have specified 'Southern Ireland' at the bottom of the address (I had just written 'Ireland') Seriously, it has Dublin written right above it, I don't think Royal Mail are going to send it to Northern Ireland by accident are they?

Eastern Ireland would be better.

G Luxel

Ive often read non irish reports on Northern Ireland referring to Belfast as the Capital....Yes I hate the term Southern Ireland. I was on the ferry from Dublin to Douglas about ten years ago and I was asked what part of Southern Ireland I was from, and I replied that I never heard of that place. I had to show japanese tourists the map of Ireland and tell them that Ireland was not part of the United Kingdom, then they left and I heard them saying that they were speaking to a British citizen!! so blame the Atlas for marking us as the British Isles....

kraggy

mathepac wrote: »

Incorrect. The IFA, which now administers Association Football in Northern Ireland, was , prior to partition the original organisation with a 32-county charter. The upstart newbie FAI, claimed to represent "Ireland", which of course they didn't and don't. Now neither does, if you see what I mean

Our soccer team should be called Ireland though, not the Republic of Ireland as Ireland is the name of our country, not the Republic of Ireland.

D-Generate

kraggy wrote: »

Our soccer team should be called Ireland though, not the Republic of Ireland as Ireland is the name of our country, not the Republic of Ireland.

You are too right in this and if it is FIFA imposing this rule then it is ludicrous. The Olympics council deem Ireland to be the 26 counties, just as our constitution states. The IRFU play with no borders so the naming of Ireland can't be seen as disputable there so not really a good case.

It is quite astonishing to see so many people that think that Republic of Ireland is the actual name of the country. Quite astonishing indeed! It is Ireland or Éire, nothing else other than translations of these into other languages.

Saila

Only place Ive ever run into this is when Im abroad and say Im from Ireland
"Southern Ireland?"

"No the REPUBLIC of Ireland you knob" :rolleyes:

Saila

kraggy wrote: »

Our soccer team should be called Ireland though, not the Republic of Ireland as Ireland is the name of our country, not the Republic of Ireland.

WRONG we live in the REPUBLIC of Ireland, Northern Ireland is a different COUNTRY it even has a different currency ffs and is part of GREAT BRITAIN.

FreudianSlippers

Saila wrote: »

Only place Ive ever run into this is when Im abroad and say Im from Ireland
"Southern Ireland?"

"No the REPUBLIC of Ireland you knob" :rolleyes:

Saila wrote: »

WRONG we live in the REPUBLIC of Ireland, Northern Ireland is a different COUNTRY it even has a different currency ffs.

:shake:

You haven't read the thread have you?

Not the Republic of Ireland, just Ireland or Éire (or translation of said in other languages)

kraggy

D-Generate wrote: »

You are too right in this and if it is FIFA imposing this rule then it is ludicrous. The Olympics council deem Ireland to be the 26 counties, just as our constitution states. The IRFU play with no borders so the naming of Ireland can't be seen as disputable there so not really a good case.

It is quite astonishing to see so many people that think that Republic of Ireland is the actual name of the country. Quite astonishing indeed! It is Ireland or Éire, nothing else other than translations of these into other languages.

Yeah Fifa impose it, but for the Olympics, it's the whole island, not just the 26 counties.

FreudianSlippers

kraggy wrote: »

Yeah Fifa impose it, but for the Olympics, it's the whole island, not just the 26 counties.

Yeah, but that's because the people in N.Ireland can chose to play for Ireland, not that it is considered to be Ireland & Northern Ireland actually.

gurramok

Saila wrote: »

WRONG we live in the REPUBLIC of Ireland, Northern Ireland is a different COUNTRY it even has a different currency ffs and is part of GREAT BRITAIN.

Oh boy, another.


Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, not Britain. It ain't a different country either, its a different state! Britain is an island.

Saila

OisinT wrote: »

:shake:

You haven't read the thread have you?

Not the Republic of Ireland, just Ireland or Éire (or translation of said in other languages)

its AH I draw the line like most at reading the first couple of pages

do summarise it for me though, and what point are you making with the last bit there

and I said Great Britain, I was origionally going to say the UK, but I figured most use them interchangably :rolleyes:

mathepac

kraggy wrote: »

Our soccer team should be called Ireland though, ... .

I'll vote for that.

kraggy

Saila wrote: »

WRONG we live in the REPUBLIC of Ireland, Northern Ireland is a different COUNTRY it even has a different currency ffs and is part of GREAT BRITAIN.

You are wrong in so many ways it's hilarious.

The name of our country is Ireland, as stated in Article 4 of the Constitution:

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htm

The "Republic of Ireland" is merely a description.

Secondly, Northern Ireland is NOT part of Great Britain. It is part of the United Kingdom. i.e. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, then why Northern Ireland considered twice in the title of the UK?

Oh wait, it's not.

KeithAFC

Northern Ireland is British and that is all that matters.

Whisko

Saila wrote: »

WRONG we live in the REPUBLIC of Ireland, Northern Ireland is a different COUNTRY it even has a different currency ffs and is part of GREAT BRITAIN.

No its not, its part of Ireland and the UK. It is impossible for it to ever be part of britain. Its part of The united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland.

Like britain, Ireland is an island which northern Ireland is part of.

edit: And the reason the state of Ireland was ever reffered to as Ireland alone was because of Articles 2 and 3, which claimed soverinity over the island of Ireland.

kraggy

OisinT wrote: »

Yeah, but that's because the people in N.Ireland can chose to play for Ireland, not that it is considered to be Ireland & Northern Ireland actually.

Which are you talking about exactly?

Regarding the Olympics, athletes from the North must represent Ireland, they cannot represent the Great Britain, even if they're unionist.

kraggy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Northern Ireland is British and that is all that matters.

No it's not. Where did you go to school?

It's part of the United Kingdom, but it's not British.