Adding Extra Memory

Luckycharms_74

Hi All

I have the following on my desktop.

3GB-Triple-Kit Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 DDR3, CL9

AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Box, Sockel AM3, Processor
7MB (1MB L2 +6MB L3)

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P, AMD 770, Motherboard.

I want to know whats the max amount of memory I can upgrade on the above processor. What do you recommend ?

Regards
Lucky

Mountjoy Mugger

According to Gigabyte it's 16GB that the mobo will handle.

Overclockers club say the memory capacity (DDR3) which it (CPU) can handle is 33.1GB.

Luckycharms_74

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

According to Gigabyte it's 16GB that the mobo will handle.


:eek:. Thanks for that. I'll prob put in an extra 3GB and see how that works. I might even put in 3x2GB or 3x3GB. .
Actually on second thoughts after reading up on this. It seems that the Physical Memory Limits on Windows 7 (32 bit) is only 4GB. fml

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7.

I'm sure you techie guys can point me in the right direction

Monotype

Why have you got a triple kit in a dual channel motherboard? You should aim for pairs of ram. E.g., 2x1GB, 2x2GB, 2x2GB + 2x1GB, 4x1GB.

IMO, get another stick of what out have.

What kind of work do you do on the computer?
Also, what are the rest of the specs?

Dublin_Gunner

Using 32bit windows, just get another 1GiB stick of what you have and run 4GiB.

Unless you upgrade to 64bit, any more ram is pointless.

And as was stated, keep it to pairs of ram - only the Core i7 series currently have triple channel memory controllers.

Luckycharms_74

Thanks guys. I'm a computer noob when it comes to all this
BTW guys the memory i have in my PC now I cant get that anymore. Will any other 1GB stick do as long as its DDR3 or do they have to match with the same Supply Voltage, Memory Speed, etc.
I was thinking of just changing and putting in something like this.

http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/08_MEMINT/productdetails/15577956/Corsair_XMS3_Memory_4_GB__2_x_2_GB_DIMM/CMX4GX3M2A1600C7/default.aspx

Let me know what u guys think or if you recommend an alternative.

Thanks

Monotype

Looking around, I only see that ram in kits, so you probably would be best getting rid of what you have and get two sticks (also allowing you room to upgrade with two free slots if you install 64-bit windows in the future). It could work, but some motherboards are fussy and you can end up with more trouble than it's worth.

That kit is fine or you could go with the selection from memoryc. I think they charge €5 for shipping.

Actually, it seems they now have free shipping as an option. The €5.75 option was very fast when I got it.

Luckycharms_74

Monotype wrote: »

Looking around, I only see that ram in kits, so you probably would be best getting rid of what you have and get two sticks (also allowing you room to upgrade with two free slots if you install 64-bit windows in the future). It could work, but some motherboards are fussy and you can end up with more trouble than it's worth.

That kit is fine or you could go with the selection from memoryc. I think they charge €5 for shipping.

Actually, it seems they now have free shipping as an option. The €5.75 option was very fast when I got it.

Thanks for that monotype
I will prob do that and just change the kit i have for one you have linked to.
Does the following matter much Low voltage, timings, etc.
Another question on a side note. I'm thinking about putting an SSD into my desktop will it work with that memory stack or does it not matter.
Here is the SSD : http://www.ebuyer.com/product/195355

Luckycharms_74

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Mountjoy Mugger

The SSD won't be troubled by the memory you buy. Make sure that the drive will fit into the drive bay. You might need to buy an enclosure for it.

Monotype

Low timings are better although the difference in performance is usually quite small. Low voltage just means that you save a little power. Maybe good if you're overclocking, but from what I've seen you can usually buy a non-low voltage kit, lower the voltage and it can still be stable.
Mainly just look at the speed you want, then timings and look at reviews/brand reputability before you buy.

Luckycharms_74

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

The SSD won't be troubled by the memory you buy. Make sure that the drive will fit into the drive bay. You might need to buy an enclosure for it.

Hey Mountjoy Mugger.

A quick question relating to the SSD. They have 2 options available.

1. Kingston 64GB SSDNow V SSD 2.5" SATA-II -
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/195355


2. Kingston 64GB SSDNow V-Series SSD Desktop Upgrade Kit 2.5" SATA-II
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/195351


As I'm putting this in a desktop should I just get the desktop upgrade kit ??.
Does it make any difference which one I put in

Monotype

The desktop upgrade kit looks like it includes some cloning software, possibly drivers, a molex->SATA power adapter and an SATA cable and some brackets since the SSD is smaller than a standard hard drive.

The question is - do you have spare cables and fittings for the new drive?

If you don't, you should check if you can get them for cheaper than the price difference of £10, or if anyone else can help you out.

Luckycharms_74

Monotype wrote: »

The desktop upgrade kit looks like it includes some cloning software, possibly drivers, a molex->SATA power adapter and an SATA cable and some brackets since the SSD is smaller than a standard hard drive.

The question is - do you have spare cables and fittings for the new drive?

If you don't, you should check if you can get them for cheaper than the price difference of £10, or if anyone else can help you out.

Thanks for the info monotype. I could pick up cables & the mounting bracket from ebay. But between the wait time, postage costs etc I'm not gonna save that much. I'll prob just order the desktop kit and this memory.

Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz HyperX Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-27) 1.7 - 1.9V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169240

What u guys think ?

BTW whats the diff between CL7, CL8, CL9 in the memory ?

Monotype

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158874
Plexus
Plexus LP4 Molex MALE to Serial ATA SATA Power Adapter (Connects SATA Hard Drive to IDE Internal Power Connector)
(£1.70)

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132033
Startech
Startech Latching SATA Cable (2 Right Angled Ends) 12"
(£2)

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/168671
Kingston Technology
Kingston 2.5" to 3.5" Hard Drive Bracket and Screws
£1.39 (probably exactly what you're getting in the box)


=~£5

There's a variety of different SATA cables. Not right-angled or mixed, whichever you prefer.

For the first power one, you should check see if there's any spare SATA connectors free on your PSU as that would be preferable to adapters.

Luckycharms_74

Thanks for the links Monotype.

Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz HyperX Memory Kit CL9(9-9-9-27) 1.7 - 1.9V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169240

What u think of that memory ?

BTW whats the diff between CL7, CL8, CL9 in the memory ?

Effluo

Hey folks

Unfortunately it would seem as though the most important questions have been asked, but they are still not answered.

We primarily need to know what the op is doing with the computer.
We also need to know why the op feels as though they want to upgrade.

If it is decided that the op would benefit from more ram then we need to know whether it is a 64bit operating system or not. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/03/19/how-to-check-if-windows-vista-xp-and-2003-system-is-32-bit-or-64-bit-x86-or-x64-version/ <<<<-How to find out if your os is 64bit or 32bit

Luckycharms_74

Effluo wrote: »

Hey folks

Unfortunately it would seem as though the most important questions have been asked, but they are still not answered.

We primarily need to know what the op is doing with the computer.
We also need to know why the op feels as though they want to upgrade.

If it is decided that the op would benefit from more ram then we need to know whether it is a 64bit operating system or not. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/03/19/how-to-check-if-windows-vista-xp-and-2003-system-is-32-bit-or-64-bit-x86-or-x64-version/ <<<<-How to find out if your os is 64bit or 32bit

Hey Effluo

I'm going to be using Video Editing software (Pinnacle), along with my other regular used programs, Photoshop, Audio editing software (sound forge). I was told that Its better to used SSD for Operating system, and just the program files I will be using. I was also told that my RAM should be in pairs, at the moment I have 3 x 1GB RAM Triple-Kit Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 DDR3, CL9.

I'm using Windows 7 32bit, I heave been told that Windows 7 will only handle 4GB and below for memory.

BazMcG

Pretty good ram and quite cheap http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+Dual+Channel+%E2%80%93+1600MHz+%2F+PC3-12800/G.SKILL+RipJaw+4GB+%282x2GB%29+DDR3+PC3-12800C8+1600MHz+Dual+Channel+Kit+?productId=37613

Luckycharms_74

BazMcG wrote: »

Pretty good ram and quite cheap http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+Dual+Channel+%E2%80%93+1600MHz+%2F+PC3-12800/G.SKILL+RipJaw+4GB+%282x2GB%29+DDR3+PC3-12800C8+1600MHz+Dual+Channel+Kit+?productId=37613

Thanks for that link. It seems that my processor only supports memory up to this PC3 (DDR3-1333MHz).

Link :http://www.cluboc.net/reviews/cpu/amd/X2_550_BE/p1.asp

Luckycharms_74

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Luckycharms_74

Effluo wrote: »

Hey folks

Unfortunately it would seem as though the most important questions have been asked, but they are still not answered.

We primarily need to know what the op is doing with the computer.
We also need to know why the op feels as though they want to upgrade.

If it is decided that the op would benefit from more ram then we need to know whether it is a 64bit operating system or not. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/03/19/how-to-check-if-windows-vista-xp-and-2003-system-is-32-bit-or-64-bit-x86-or-x64-version/ <<<<-How to find out if your os is 64bit or 32bit

Hey Effluo

Im gonna bump this topic. I have recently started using video editing software. When i go to render the videos my memory just gets chewed up to 100% and computer struggles with my current set up.

3GB-Triple-Kit Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 DDR3, CL9
AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Box, Sockel AM3, Processor
7MB (1MB L2 +6MB L3)
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P, AMD 770, Motherboard.
I'm on 32bit Windows 7 at present.

Im thinking about doing a clean install of windows 64bit and installing the following.

1. http://www.amazon.co.uk/OCZ-Vertex-2-5-inch-Internal-Solid/dp/B003NE5JCE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302164274&sr=8-2-spell

And either of these memory 4gb x 2

2. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-1333MHz-Unbuffered-9-9-9-24-Spreader/dp/B003N8GVUY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1302164588&sr=1-1

3. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-ValueRAM-240-pin-PC3-10600-unbuffered/dp/B002K27KW2/ref=sr_1_19?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1302165173&sr=1-19

Thanks for any help

Dublin_Gunner

This ram is faster, and cheaper. Free delivery, and an Irish company.

http://www.memoryc.com/computermemory/ddr3/8gbgeilpc3128001600mhzvaluepluscl9.html

You also get the Vertex 2 there
http://www.memoryc.com/storage/solidstatedisk/60gboczvertex2sataiissd.html

Free delivery, and spend the money here, plus save a few €€€.

(I am of course assuming you're in Ireland).

I will state one thing though, you'd be better off raiding 2 (or 3 for redundancy) of these
http://www.memoryc.com/storageproducts/internalharddrives/1tbsamsungspinpointf3sata235harddrive32mbcache7200rpm.html

You still get excellent throughput, but a LOT more storage (video editing would eat up that 60GB drive in no time).

In fact, I'd personally even rather 1 F3 to a 60GB SSD. Just too little space on that SSD for the money.

Luckycharms_74

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

This ram is faster, and cheaper. Free delivery, and an Irish company.

http://www.memoryc.com/computermemory/ddr3/8gbgeilpc3128001600mhzvaluepluscl9.html

You also get the Vertex 2 there
http://www.memoryc.com/storage/solidstatedisk/60gboczvertex2sataiissd.html

Free delivery, and spend the money here, plus save a few €€€.

(I am of course assuming you're in Ireland).

I will state one thing though, you'd be better off raiding 2 (or 3 for redundancy) of these
http://www.memoryc.com/storageproducts/internalharddrives/1tbsamsungspinpointf3sata235harddrive32mbcache7200rpm.html

You still get excellent throughput, but a LOT more storage (video editing would eat up that 60GB drive in no time).

In fact, I'd personally even rather 1 F3 to a 60GB SSD. Just too little space on that SSD for the money.

Hey Dublin Gunner

Thanks for that info. I will buy from this compnay as its IRISH.

Regarding the memory u linked it has "1600MHz (DDR3-1600)" speed will that work on my system. I though it had to be 1333MHz ???

Also with regards to not recommending the SSD. I was just gonna use the SSD for windows 7 and photoshop & video editing software and other programs. I would be keeping all other files etc on the my current SATA drive.
What does this mean "you'd be better off raiding 2 (or 3 for redundancy) of these".

I have one of these on my computer already I think its the same as the one you linked.

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=17394&agid=689

Regards
Luckycharms

Dublin_Gunner

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Hey Dublin Gunner

Thanks for that info. I will buy from this compnay as its IRISH.

Regarding the memory u linked it has "1600MHz (DDR3-1600)" speed will that work on my system. I though it had to be 1333MHz ???

Also with regards to no recommending the SSD. What does this mean "you'd be better off raiding 2 (or 3 for redundancy) of these".

I have one of these on my computer already I think its the same as the one you linked.

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=17394&agid=689

Regards
Luckycharms

Your drive is an F1, the F3 I linked to is a better drive.

The reason I state you'd be better off not going with the SSD is purely for the capacity V cost. Sure, your burst/access read/write speeds should be a lot better with the SSD, but if you plan on doing much video editing, 60GB will be gone in no time.

That was the main reason I stated having a raid array of say 3 Samsung F3's (RAID 5) would be a better option. You'd get great speeds, plus you'd have TONNES more storage, not to mention redundancy if any of the drives fail.

The 1600Mhz ram should work fine on your system, your motherboard supports up to 1666Mhz ram.

Also, the fact that its cheaper, for faster ram, sounds like a win win to me

Luckycharms_74

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Your drive is an F1, the F3 I linked to is a better drive.

The reason I state you'd be better off not going with the SSD is purely for the capacity V cost. Sure, your burst/access read/write speeds should be a lot better with the SSD, but if you plan on doing much video editing, 60GB will be gone in no time.

That was the main reason I stated having a raid array of say 3 Samsung F3's (RAID 5) would be a better option. You'd get great speeds, plus you'd have TONNES more storage, not to mention redundancy if any of the drives fail.

The 1600Mhz ram should work fine on your system, your motherboard supports up to 1666Mhz ram.

Also, the fact that its cheaper, for faster ram, sounds like a win win to me

Its always great to get solid advice from the experts .
I assume both F1 & F3 drives will work together. Would I be better off using the F3 as my main drive. Should I partion it of just leave it as it is.

Dublin_Gunner

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Its always great to get solid advice from the experts .
I assume both F1 & F3 drives will work together. Would I be better off using the F3 as my main drive. Should I partion it of just leave it as it is.

Just leave your F1 as the main drive, the differences wouldn't be immensely noticeable, though it would be faster.

But definitely not worth the effort of backing up, formatting, re-installing etc etc **though are you planning on re-installing 64bit Windows anyway? (you'd need to, to take advantage of the 8GB of ram).

Luckycharms_74

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Just leave your F1 as the main drive, the differences wouldn't be immensely noticeable, though it would be faster.

But definitely not worth the effort of backing up, formatting, re-installing etc etc

But I'm gonna have to back up and reformat my current C: drive as I'm gonna install windows 7 64 bit

Monotype

What about RAID 0 of two F3s? It would be cheaper than the SSD and would have plenty of space for everything. Sequential speeds would be easily as good (at the sacrifice of random access). You could back up to the F1 or another drive.

Dublin_Gunner

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

But I'm gonna have to back up and reformat my current C: drive as I'm gonna install windows 7 64 bit

Just back up your data, re-install everything afterwards.

Here's what I'd do with the drives.

Your current F1, 2 partitions. C: 200GB for OS and drivers, 800GB~ programs.

New F3 - E: storage, scratch disks for movie editing etc

So when installing* software, always chose \program files or program file s(x86)

*you may have to chose 'custom' installation when beginning to install so you can chose the install location.

Luckycharms_74

Thanks for all the advice. Im ordering now